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Fender Pre-CBS Custom Colors Project

Discussion in 'Tele Home Depot' started by preeb, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    I've been asked a lot about how I match the original 50's and 60's (mostly 60's of course) custom colors. As promised, I'll show you how I did this.

    Fender used existing car paint for all their custom color options except for Candy Apple Red. They even used the original names for most of the colors.
    This is nice to know... but how can we use this info in order to get an exact duplication of the original paints???
    Those paints are not manufactured any more. Even when DuPont released some of the colors (as RI) ... well... it was close but not exact. The cars and vintage guitars exist but... most of their finishes are faded, changed the color by oxidation or UV light... etc... We either need an "under the bed" "time capsule" guitars, at least one for each color, or cars... not very realistic...

    There's another way. ORIGINAL WELL KEPT CAR CATALOGS.

    Most paint shops have tons of these old catalogs, some in mint condition very well kept and look almost brand new, and some are so so...
    Well.. I started to look for the cleaner ones. Took me over two years to find all the originals that included the Fender custom colors paint chips, I started in late 2005 and completed the collection in 2008.
    Next step was to lightly polish the chips to get the possible oxidation layer off. It worked very well and the result was a complete set of vivid original paint chips for all Fender colors. I was looking for a way to reproduce the colors 100%. You can of course try to match them by your naked eye and get pretty close... but this wasn't the goal... I wanted it to be exact.
    I asked around and found this computerized machine that scans a car color and breaks it to a mix of basic colors... but... it couldn't guarantee a good result for a small sampled area of less than 5" X 5"... my paint chips were much smaller. I
    gave it a try anyway. Came out close but some came out too light or too dark.
    I kept looking around some more and found a newer machine, much smaller in size that works in a different technology. It had no issues with the size of my chips and it came out great. I had to test all colors and compare them to the original chips of course and it cost me $70.- to process each color.
    The Metalic colors had another issue... I needed to know the particle material and size...
    So... here we go again... I put my trust in a local paint matching specialist here in Tel Aviv. It took him about 5 seconds to analyze the metalic powder type for each paint... most of them had the same type and size anyway..
    I now had to mix the colors with the powder with some additives that make the metalic work and it did. I managed to complete my investigation and had all the Data in hand.

    I did notice however that some old Fender guitars that supposed to look the same... didn't. I compared the same color in neck pockets, under the guard etc... and what I'm trying to say is that even back then, not all factory batches for the same color looked identical!!! there are small variations.
    I went back to my chips and compared the same color but in different catalog years.... and there it was... inconsistency!!! it's minor but it's there.
    I gave up on any additional investigation. I'm happy as it is.

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    Last edited: Mar 16, 2009
  2. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    I would like to show you the original chips. It's nice to see...

    LAKE PLACID BLUE Metalic
    Lucite 2876-L 58 Cadillac DAL-11711 122
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  3. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Daphne Blue
    Duco 2804-L 58 Cadillac DAL-11762 20
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Shoreline Gold
    Lucite 2935-L 59-60 Pontiac Shoreline Gold DDL-21722 59-P
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    And also here as
    59 Oldsmobile Golden Mist 59-P
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  6. Buckocaster51

    Buckocaster51 Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Jan 6, 2005
    Iowa USA
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    Palomar Yellow!

    Yeah baby!

    Actually, that last sheet has several that catch my eye.

    :eek:
     
  7. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Olympic White
    Lucite 2818-L (PPG = offset #90546) 58-62 Cadillac DDL-8144 90
    [​IMG]
     
  8. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Burgundy Mist
    Lucite 2936-L 59 Oldsmobile Burgundy Mist DDL-50536 59-N
    [​IMG]

    and here too as:
    59 Pontiac Royal Amethyst 59-N
    [​IMG]

    and here too as:
    59 Buick Lido Lavender DDL-50536 59-N
    [​IMG]
     
  9. TelZilla

    TelZilla Friend of Leo's

    Jan 21, 2007
    Cleveburg, USA
    wow, there are some really cool colors there. They don't paint 'em like they used to...
     
  10. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Inca Silver
    Lucite 2436-L 57 Chevy-Corvette DDL-31425 804A
    [​IMG]

    and here as:
    59 Chevy-Corvette DDL-31425 509-A
    [​IMG]
     
  11. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Fiesta Red
    Duco 2219-H 56 Ford-Thunderbird DQE-70618-DAL K
    [​IMG]
     
  12. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Dakota Red
    Duco 2590-H 57 Cadillac DAL-70757-DQE 50
    [​IMG]
     
  13. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Blue Ice
    Lucite 4692-L 65 Ford Silver Blue 12164 Y
    [​IMG]

    and here too as:
    66 Ford Silver Blue 13045 Y
    [​IMG]

    and here as:
    65 Mercury Blue Ice 12164 (13045) Y
    [​IMG]

    and here as:
    66 Mercury Blue Ice 13045 Y
    [​IMG]
     
  14. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Firemist Silver
    Lucite 4576-L 64 Cadillac Firemist Silver Blue 12883 92
    [​IMG]
     
  15. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
  16. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Charcoal Frost
    Lucite 4618-L 65 Lincoln Charcoal Gray 32390 S
    [​IMG]

    and here as:
    66 Lincoln Charcoal Frost 32390 S
    [​IMG]
     
  17. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Ocean Turquoise
    Lucite 4607-L 65 Mercury Ocean Turquoise 12893 5
    [​IMG]

    and here as:
    65 Ford Twilight Turquoise 12893 5
    [​IMG]
     
  18. Lostheart

    Lostheart Tele-Afflicted

    Nov 26, 2005
    Germany
    Wow...sometimes it's scary. We do tick the same, Gil!
    About a year ago I purchased several of those paint chips catalogs as well on eBay!
    My nitro supplier managed to mix me a Dakota Red based on the supplied chip and I was very happy with the outcome...
     
  19. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Teal Green
    Lucite 4297-L 63 Ford-Thunderbird Patrician Green 11921 (12745) D
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    and here as:
    64 Lincoln Patrician Green 12745 U
    [​IMG]

    and here as:
    65 Lincoln Teal-Patrician Green 12745 U
    [​IMG]

    and here as:
    66 Mercury Turquoise Frost 12745 U
    [​IMG]
     
  20. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    ...
    and here as:
    69-70 Lincoln Medium Aqua 12745 U
    [​IMG]
     
  21. preeb

    preeb Poster Extraordinaire Vendor Member

    Age:
    51
    Sep 10, 2008
    Sonoran Desert
    Sonic Blue
    Duco 2295 56 Cadillac DAL-11475-DQE 20
    [​IMG]
     
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