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Fender Champion 20

Discussion in 'Modeling Amps, Plugins and Apps' started by dqami, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. rxtech

    rxtech Tele-Meister

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    Boy, you said it!!! I am tired of hooking up to a computer to set up presets on my Katana 100. Fantastic sounding amp, but I almost want to sell it for something easier like the Champion 40. I would like not having to post questions on forums to find out how to do something to the amp.
     
  2. luckett

    luckett Friend of Leo's

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    All you need to do to save a preset on a katana is dial the knobs to your preference and press one button. You don't need to hook it up to a computer and it works just like a champion if you let it. The front panel controls on the katana are essentially as simple to use as the champion.
     
  3. rxtech

    rxtech Tele-Meister

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    True, very true. But when you load the sneaky amps, edit for noise reduction, etc. it’s easy to start falling down the dark hole of editing :). But, the amp is fine as is without editing.
     
  4. dqami

    dqami Tele-Holic

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    Resurrecting my dead topic. I just picked up the C40 and put it through its paces. I found the tone to be a bit flat and attributed it to the speaker since at the $199 retail price, this is one place where the cost was saved. I replaced it with an older Jensen Mod and it came to life. I highly recommend a speaker change for this amp. The c20 was fine stock but if you have a better speaker lying around, try it.
     
  5. Lonn

    Lonn Friend of Leo's

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    I have one that I rehoused in this no name tweed cab with a 12" Celestion. BIG improvement.

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  6. dqami

    dqami Tele-Holic

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    Nice! Now it has mojo
     
  7. Lonn

    Lonn Friend of Leo's

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    Here's a crappy video I made with it.

     
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  8. AndrewG

    AndrewG Friend of Leo's

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    The only Champion I have played (briefly), is the 100W 2x12 which, frankly, sounded awful and tonally unbalanced. All mushy bass that I couldn't dial out, and lots of treble with no mids to speak of. The smaller Champions I have heard demos of sound very good.
     
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  9. dqami

    dqami Tele-Holic

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    My single 12 has more bass now on certain models but not overly bassy compaired to the stock speaker. I would imagine two stock 12" speakers wouldn't sound very good.
     
  10. mstan72

    mstan72 TDPRI Member

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    My wife bought one for me, I wasn't expecting much but was pleasantly surprised...

    ...I wonder though, I really like the stereo effect when using headphones, if i couldn't run it through power amps into separate cabs? Hmmmm...
     
  11. AndrewG

    AndrewG Friend of Leo's

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    Yes, I don't think the cabinet material was doing the 100W version amp any favours either, frankly. Thin, resonant (not in a good way), and boomy.
     
  12. dqami

    dqami Tele-Holic

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    No different than plugging the jack into a PA so why not?
     
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  13. Stratguy70

    Stratguy70 TDPRI Member

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    Bumping this because I recently bought one. Completely amazed with how great the 20 sounds. This is an overlooked amp, I think, because it’s small and inexpensive.
    I compared it to my Mustang gt40 and have to say I prefer the sound of the Champion.
    Not a huge amount of features, but just enough.
     
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  14. vashondan

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    Just got a 20 today. Pretty darn good overall for the price and for practice. Has anyone tried swapping a speaker? I was thinking about putting in a Jupiter 8sc. I had one in a Tweed Champ that sounded great. I read somewhere that people had trouble with the (blocking on the name of the thingy that the speaker sits on). It would break. Anyone tried yet?
     
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  15. driver8

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    My friend has one of these, I was surprised it didn't sound that bad and you could even hear it over the drums. Seemed louder than my stock SCXD even. I was thinking of getting one, putting a good cheap speaker in it, and running it in stereo with my Pathfinder 15R. For $99 (or less used) plus the cost of a new speaker, it could end up being a killer small rig!
     
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  16. Stratguy70

    Stratguy70 TDPRI Member

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    I wonder if I could ask a a favor
    of you?
    Could you please A/B the Champion 20 with the Pathfinder and SC and give a rundown of the sound comparison of the 3 amps? I'm especially interested in the Vox comparison.
    If it is not too much trouble it would be much appreciated.
     
  17. dqami

    dqami Tele-Holic

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    I have had all 3 and can say the 2 British settings are equal to or better than the PF as long as you are willing to tweak the gain and vol to your guitar. There is a big difference in vol between them so to get the chime requires you getting to match the guitar to the amp. The SC, I didn't care for the modeling but liked the clean channel. All the BF and Tweed models sound good, again with some tweaking and IMHO, better than the SC. I did change the speaker to one from a PF I got for parts that wasn't working as I really like the Bulldog tone.
     
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  18. Stratguy70

    Stratguy70 TDPRI Member

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    Thanks for the info.
     
  19. Hoodster

    Hoodster Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 3, 2007
    Oregon
    I joined the club a couple weeks ago and am running the C20 through a 1x10 cab with an Emi Copperhead. Sounds huge and fantastic.

    Many of the models are on the harsh side but I am pleased with just a solid BF clean and some great effects, particularly the spring reverb, slapback, and reverb/delay.

    I'm considering selling my THR10C....
     
  20. TNO

    TNO Friend of Leo's

    Apr 25, 2003
    NC-USA
    I picked up a C20 in brand-new condition off Craigslist for $50. The speakers are the weak link for sure- a Jensen Mod got rid of the flubby bass and fizzy highs. As the speaker has broken in it just keeps getting better. For me, it sounds much fuller and more natural than my Katana 50. The Katana clean channel is missing midrange information even with the mids cranked to ten. The C20 sounds fuller than my red stripe Peavey Studio Pro and is louder on the clean channel. Really weird, considering the difference in cab and speaker size.

    For mods a better speaker is a must. I want to add a speaker jack so I can run it into my tweed deluxe-size pine cab with a ten inch Eminence GA-SC64.

    The knobs are very hard to see so I upgraded to these knurled cupcake knobs: http://www.smallbear-electronics.mybigcommerce.com/vintage-knobs-for-knurled-shaft-colors/
    Gives the amp sort of a transitional blackface Princeton look.
     
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