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"F" tuners with metal buttons..?

Discussion in 'Vintage Tele Discussion Forum (pre-1974)' started by zmix, Mar 10, 2017.

  1. zmix

    zmix TDPRI Member

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    A friend has a "first year" 1969 Telecaster Thinline, as well as some other similar era Telecasters, and I noticed that the "F" tuners on his thinline had metal buttons (rather than the usual chromed plastic), and that they were much more like a Kluson in feel. They also appear to be nickel plated..

    Did fender initially make fully metal versions of these tuners?

    I'll try to get a better photo next time I see it, but in the meantime you can see them on the headstock on the right:



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  2. rob2

    rob2 Tele-Meister

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    Interesting......I've seen a lot of Fenders from this period and never noticed all-metal buttons...I can see the all-over nickle effect too,big contrast with the custom on left.
    Up until the Schaller tuners took over the shaft and bushings were nickle,the rear cover chrome.Hope someone can give more info on this....
     

  3. acrylicsuperman

    acrylicsuperman Tele-Holic

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    I'm sorry that I don't have pictures that I can send you, but my dad has a 68-69 transition period standard tele and it too has metal buttons on the f tuners. Might be a first run sort of thing or maybe they were a prototype batch or something, but I could see CBS trying to cut corners and going to plastic to be more cost effective.

    EDIT: my dad's tuner heads were chrome though. The only reason I know they are metal is because one of them is scuffed from where it had met a wall once.
     

  4. zmix

    zmix TDPRI Member

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    Here's an article about a restoration of a 1966 Jaguar where the guy discovered that there were different versions of the 1960s "F" tuners, though he doesn't mention if either set had plastic buttons (I suppose CBS was hoping that most people wouldn't notice!!) :

    http://offset.guitars/the-goodies/restoration-of-a-66-jaguar/

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  5. zmix

    zmix TDPRI Member

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    I snapped some more photos of the 68 Thinline's all metal "F" tuners:


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  6. rob2

    rob2 Tele-Meister

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    Great photos...seem to have a thinner,rounded edge to the button...never seen these "live" so to speak! Thanks for the photos!
     

  7. Velorex

    Velorex Tele-Meister

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    Look like my lately bought 60s F tuners from e bay.
    I also noticed the difference to later ones but what proves they are metal inside?

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  8. Platefire

    Platefire Friend of Leo's

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    Don't know if this will help but here is a 69
    sn 245019 that don't have the skunk strip in the neck so I think maybe late 68 or early 69. DSC03529.JPG DSC03535.JPG DSC03541.JPG
     

  9. rob2

    rob2 Tele-Meister

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    They look the normal buttons on that.....love those skunk stripe-less necks!...really clean vibe!
     

  10. Platefire

    Platefire Friend of Leo's

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    Yes it plays great, just don't like that stock treble bleed cao
     
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  11. PJ55

    PJ55 Poster Extraordinaire

    Mar 27, 2003
    Philadelphia, PA
    The original design tuners with metal knobs can still be purchased from Schaller. Their website has the details. Pretty sure they have an "S" on the back vs. an "F". The set I saw had metal knobs, like the stock tuners on my '70.
     

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  12. Velorex

    Velorex Tele-Meister

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    Quality chrome plating makes no metal knob, i still believe there still is plastic inside.We will never know until someone uses a saw to prove it.
    I changed one vintage schaller because it had a dent like only plastic can.

    velorex
     

  13. Velorex

    Velorex Tele-Meister

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    Foto schaller original 1978 20170416_104831.jpg velorex
     

  14. Velorex

    Velorex Tele-Meister

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    sorry, wrong foto, this is a 60s race olmsted part

    velorex
     

  15. Velorex

    Velorex Tele-Meister

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    And this is my 78 schaller plastic with a dent
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  16. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Tele-Holic

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    Here is an original 'F' tuner from a 1969 Telecaster. Using a small polarity magnet, the magnet will adhere to the chrome-plated stamped 'F' cover and the nickel-plated button post but it will NOT adhere to the chrome-plated plastic button or the nickel-plated die-cast (aluminum) string post.
     

  17. PJ55

    PJ55 Poster Extraordinaire

    Mar 27, 2003
    Philadelphia, PA
    They must have changed the buttons after 1970. My '70 has metal buttons.
     

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  18. Velorex

    Velorex Tele-Meister

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    so there were at least three styles in the past:
    early sixsties f tuners made by race/olmsted
    smooth button looks like metal,
    late sixsties f tuners made by race/olmsted
    sharp button with pressing lines in plastic
    seventies f tuners made by schaller
    no hole in housing
    don't forget todays styles by fender made in asia
    and still produced schallers

    velorex
     

  19. Velorex

    Velorex Tele-Meister

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    It did not let me sleep...
    I believe now that the first generation F Tuners are metal.
    I do not know if they were made by Race&Olmsted ore even Kluson.
    The second generation is plastic made by whoever.
    The third generation is made in Germany by Schaller also plastic .
    I put them on a scale and noticed first generation is much heavier.
    I also noticed the same casting lines on second gen. and third gen.
    It could be that Schaller just copied the original design in plastic
    and later came up with an own design using the same buttons.

    picture first generation:
    60s Mark1 F Tuner.jpg

    picture second generation: last picture Third generation made in Germany
    60s Mark2 F Tuner.jpg
    70s Schaller F Tuner.jpg M1 M2 Sch..jpg F Tuners.jpg

    i have an x ray machine at work ,hope i can use it soon to make more pictures.
    The story behind is funny:
    ca 1990 i bought a used 69 Thinline with Schaller M6 Tuners
    i wanted F Tuners,bought some used but later found ot they were Schaller which belong to 70s Fenders.
    Last year i bought 60s tuners on ebay very pricey and must now see they are the first generation which
    ended around 66 or does anybody know better?
    Would not change again, they are cool but now i carry about 18 gramm too much on my headstock(joke!)
    I also wonder about the 60s Mustang plastic tuners.
    When did they appear and when were they ended?
     
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  20. rob2

    rob2 Tele-Meister

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    .....interesting.....makes sense the evolution you are tracing here...
     

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