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Epiphone Dot vs Casino

Discussion in 'Other Guitars, other instruments' started by Tassytele, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. Larry Mal

    Larry Mal Tele-Meister

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    Oct 27, 2010
    Saint Louis, Missouri
    Bear in mind, as has been posted, they look like similar guitars but aren't:

    1) The Casino is completely hollowbodied, the Dot has a center block and thus is semi-hollowbodied. This changes the sound of the guitar in a lot of ways, and feedback is only one of the ways.

    2) The Casino has P90 single coil pickups, the Dot has humbuckers. Of course you can changes these guitars in any direction from there, but still... the Dot would likely be more "creamy" and have a more pronounced mid-range and less highs, while the Casino will be more "brittle" and have more of a high range jangle sound, but the P90s will also tend to bark a bit when you lean into them at loud volumes. I kind of don't like that... most do.

    So, I'd probably get my hands on both of them and find out for yourself. Me, it's easy... I don't like humbuckers, so I wouldn't want a Dot much. And you should take my advice with a grain of salt, I've never owned a Dot or an ES-335 or anything similar. I did own a Casino, and will own an ES-330.
     

  2. Seasicksailor

    Seasicksailor Tele-Afflicted

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    Jun 26, 2012
    Bristol UK
    Is the strat player playing both left handed AND with the strings upside down (top to bottom, high to low) or is this filmed through a really weird mirror?
     

  3. waparker4

    waparker4 Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Nov 9, 2011
    Philadelphia, PA
    Yes, double-upside down

    Doyle Bramhall II

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  4. Seasicksailor

    Seasicksailor Tele-Afflicted

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    Jun 26, 2012
    Bristol UK
    Bloody hell!! How does something like that happen to someone?
     
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  5. Shango66

    Shango66 Friend of Leo's

    Aug 15, 2012
    Australia
    The casino will nail the petty, crowes, stones tones well.
    They sit on your shoulder more evenly than the dot/335 cos of the neck body join, I think at the 14th fret.
    Nice and light.
    Can also get a great jazz tone!
    Grant green played the Gibson 330 version on which the casino was based.
    P 90s are great for rootsy rock and 50s jazz.
    Shango
     

  6. fatcat

    fatcat Friend of Leo's

    Jul 6, 2010
    Very Deep South
    I have a Red Dot, it is the best sounding guitar I have..

    I installed a set of SD '59s with a Vintage 335 spec Wiring Harness that has NOS Caps, CTS pots, Switchcraft jack, etc.

    It is very Bright now, or I should say it has the ability to be very bright. Has a lot more sweep in the controls. When I use a british style amp, it has that nice KEEERRAAANNNG!

    I should say that those duncans are a bit on the lower output side as far as Humbuckers are concerned. but, as a result, they sound great cranked..:twisted:

    Check out the Dot club, "Connect the Dots". but for Black Keys, yeah, you are gonna want P90s and a Big Muff...Green Russian Muff specifically.. though I have seen where Dan used a Tele on a lot of the earlier stuff.
     

  7. Matthias

    Matthias Tele-Afflicted

    Jun 30, 2003
    UK
    Due to its construction, the Dot's tonal range can be rather anchored in the mids. That's not a problem for everything, but it won't go away with a pick-up change – if you can hear it unplugged that is. But as Fatcat says you can brighten it a bit by upgrading. But Epiphone do change the spec every so often and they're cheap guitars, so I think you'll find a bit of variance from one to another. Plenty of people report getting them to sound close to a 335 with the right tweaks. I seriously doubt I could manage that with mine.
     

  8. Tassytele

    Tassytele Tele-Meister

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    Oct 8, 2011
    Tasmania, Australia
    This is exactly the tone i'm chasing-thanks!
    Great replies folks,thanks for your comments.I'll try both,but i'm leaning towards the casino now.The feedback shouldnt be a problem,as i rarely play to the top of my amps abilities.
     

  9. joaopazguitar

    joaopazguitar Tele-Holic

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    Apr 27, 2012
    Porto, Portugal
    Once you decide that Dot is the way, be sure to check the Dot Studio first. I have the worn/wine red brown one and the guitar is simply amazing. gorgeous finish, action, and no picture does justice to this axe.
    I compared it live with the more expensive Dot, and would choose the studio anytime.

    of course this is just a personal opinion :)

    here's mine,
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  10. Tassytele

    Tassytele Tele-Meister

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    Oct 8, 2011
    Tasmania, Australia
    Wow that is a nice looking guitar! :)
     

  11. AirBagTester

    AirBagTester Friend of Leo's

    Nov 7, 2010
    Maryland
    The Casino always makes me think "that's some nice dirty blues!" But that's probably b/c of Gary Clark Jr.

    I think the trapeze tailpiece has a lot to do with the sound as much as the full hollow body.

    Yeah, a red Casino is definitely going to be my next guitar!
     

  12. johmica

    johmica Tele-Meister

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    Mar 10, 2011
    berea kentucky
    My dad plays a right handed guitar upside-down, left-handed and all. Grew up with a right-handed older brother, and learned to play his. Either this, or someone has an Albert King fetish . . .
     

  13. JohnK24

    JohnK24 Friend of Leo's

    Mar 16, 2003
    Western PA
    from a Vintage Guitar article, years ago...

    VG: Your unique tone and sound are due in part to playing left-handed and upside-down, but you string your guitars right-handed. How and why did you devise this stringing method?

    DBII: It's pretty simple. There were right-handed guitar players around when I was a kid, so every time I picked one up, I held it in a left-handed position. I think I was a little dyslexic when I was younger and I didn't know left from right! I could never get that down, and it always messed me up (laughs). I was also ambidextrous. It felt really comfortable stringing right-handed, and by the time somebody told me I was doing something the wrong way I said, "Well, it doesn't sound wrong."

    VG: What are the challenges/benefits of playing left-handed?

    DBII: I play by ear, so it could be the same and have no challenges for me. However, the different challenges for me are chords and transposing chords, because there are no instructions or music books out there for the positioning of the fingers for a left-handed, upside-down player. All the theory and technique doesn't apply to me because I would have to transpose it completely, as opposed to if I strung left-handed. Then all the finger positions on the first, second, third, fourth, fifth fret would all be the same. But for me, it's useless.
     

  14. caliban335

    caliban335 Tele-Afflicted

    May 4, 2007
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Go for the Casino. The Inspired by John Lennon model is affordable and has Gibson USA P-90s.
     

  15. Loganloveguitar

    Loganloveguitar Tele-Holic

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    Oct 13, 2010
    Canada
    I just got a dot thanks to this thread lol, traded my blacktop jaguar for it and so far so good have not plugged it in yet but feels good and stays in tune good
     

  16. Seasicksailor

    Seasicksailor Tele-Afflicted

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    Cool! Is it the standard or the studio one? PHOTOS!!! :)
     

  17. Loganloveguitar

    Loganloveguitar Tele-Holic

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    Oct 13, 2010
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    standard in tobacco burst will upload pictures in a second gotta go take em lol it is a sexy lookin guitar
     

  18. Seasicksailor

    Seasicksailor Tele-Afflicted

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    Teeease!! :rolleyes:
     

  19. Loganloveguitar

    Loganloveguitar Tele-Holic

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    Oct 13, 2010
    Canada
    just a phone pic its way sexier in person ;)

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  20. Teledelphia

    Teledelphia Tele-Holic

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    Mar 12, 2008
    philadelphia
    There is just something magic in the tone and feel you get with a Casino. Those P-90's on a thin fully hollowbody with that deeper neck joint creates a special mojo.

    If you can score a '61 50th Anniversary Model you get the Gibson USA P-90's, Switchcraft toggle switch and jack, CTS pots, Belden wires, Wilkenson vintage style tuners and a killer grey hardshell case with striking royal blue lining for about 200.00 more than a stock MIC Casino w/o any case.
     

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