Early '70s Thinline Telecaster oddity

Discussion in 'Vintage Tele Discussion Forum (pre-1974)' started by metalhead525, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. metalhead525

    metalhead525 TDPRI Member

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    1.jpg 2.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg 8.jpg 10.jpg 11.jpg 12.jpg 13.jpg 14.jpg Hello all. Recently inherited this old Thinline Telecaster. Let me just say, I have been playing for near 30 years now. Mainly a high end Ibanez player (JEMs and the like). This has been in the family since '74. My Dad purchased used in '74 for $250 at a music store here in town to use at a local high school when he was the music director. My stepfather purchased it from him in the early '80s and has sat pretty much untouched since then. Dating it has been a bit of a mystery. The neck plate is from '70. The neck stamp is dated APR 1972. Has a black guard. 2 string guides, with 1 being original and the second seems correct for a later Tele. Electronics check out with the switch and pots being correct at least. The bass side of the neck pocket is not notched either. Original case looks correct minus the Fender logo. Really not sure what to make of it or what date to put on it for insurance purposes. I was told to contact Gruhn Guitars in Nashville for an appraisal. Any thoughts?
     
  2. AlbertaGriff

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    My thoughts are that you can sell your Ibanezes. Nice guitar!
     
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    One tiny question. Best info I can easily find is that the Mk 1 to Mk 2 transition happened "in 1971."

    https://www.fender.com/articles/gea...-survivor-rock-legend-the-thinline-telecaster

    Tried searching in tdpri to get exact date, came up short. So '70 Thinlines are Mk 1s, and are part of 1971 production?

    And you've got a '72 neck -- but which doesn't say "Thinline" like a Mk2 neck does (see '72 Thinline reissue). Is this a replaced neck?

    Nice looking guitar, by the way.
     
  4. metalhead525

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    My Dad thought that possibly the neck may have been replaced under a warranty situation. He bought it used from a Fender dealer here that is no longer in business. Still the non-notched neck pocket and black guard are odd. And the extra string tree looks original with the plastic piece under it.
    Never gonna happen. This tele stays too.
     
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    No much help here- but it would make sense if the neck was replaced- beautiful condition on that guitar and
     
  6. metalhead525

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    I guess the notched neck pocket is correct for a '70. There was a guide that showed the notch on the top but found another with pics of the different years and how it was changed. Notched backside shown on mine. Also pics of the string guides which I think are correct for a '72 neck. IMG_1254.JPG IMG_1255.JPG
     
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    Looks great!
     
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    Man no way I'd let that baby go. Pure and magnificent sweetness.

    Fender in the 70's pulled a lot of parts out of the bins. With those electronics, certainly the parts could have hung around a couple years.

    That solder all looks virgin, man what a nice guitar. I'd say start wearing it out today. Not really worth enough in my view to do otherwise. If it was a 72 Thinline with Lovers maybe.

    Play it and love it and build your musical world around it!
     
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    I'm no expert, but here are my thoughts:

    IIRC, you should not be seeing version 1 thin line Tele's by 1972. The neck, however, does look pretty good. Maybe the extra string tree. I would say it's a real '72 neck. The neck pickup doesn't look like an original Fender from the late sixties/early seventies. The guard shouldn't be black, so I call that a replacement. The body may be a real 68-71 body. Is that mahogany? I would call it a partscaster essentially. Maybe your dad's story of the neck replacement is correct. I also think the neck pickup may have been changed.
     
  10. toomuchfun

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    Looks like an original partscaster, in the good way.

    Certainly a Thinline body before the humbuckers in '72. Is the body ash or mahogany? Almost looks like mahogany grain but they looked more reddish and yours looks natural like ash.

    The pickguard looks real good but I think the curve at the front lower bout looks a little off. Is the edge beveled or straight?

    The neck. A '72 Thinline neck would have the word "Thinline" on the headstock and it would have a bullet truss rod and a 3 bolt tilt neck attachment to the body. That is a '72 standard Telecater neck, but that's exactly what the original neck would be except some were 2 piece with a separate fingerboard.

    The pots date to '66 which is common on early '70's Fenders, they bought a bunch in '66.

    If you can. please take a shot of the back of the guitar. There should be 2 1/8 inch dowels I think in the center, one below the neck plate and the other an inch or so from the bottom. They might be elsewhere but there should be 2 plugged holes in the back. They were used for pin routers. Thanks.

    Thinlines with single coil pickups are very nice and valuable guitars. Even with the replaced neck it's worth a lot. Enjoy it but keep it in the same shape it's in if you can. Hope it plays as well as it looks.
     
  11. metalhead525

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    Thanks for the info. Trying to gather as much as I can for an insurance appraisal. This will be handed down to my son someday. It is a mahogany body. Much darker than ash. The pickguard is straight edged, not beveled, and is fully shielded. They are very difficult to see but there are 2 small round spots in the places you mentioned. Shocking to me, but I plugged it in and everything works and sounds great. Truss needed no adjustment. Neck still had proper relief. I put a set of 10's on it but I think it needs 9's if the scale is 25 1/2. Not good for Metallica but plays Brown Sugar by the Stones really well.
     
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    Thanks for checking for the dowels, just another way to verify a real Fender body from that era. And the pickguard may very well be original although Fender was into multi-ply ones by then.

    So glad to hear it's a family heirloom now, it really should be.
     
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