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Dogear P90 covers: slanted vs non-slanted?

Discussion in 'Just Pickups' started by 6BQ5, Apr 16, 2018.

  1. 6BQ5

    6BQ5 Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    I have an Epiphone Riviera P93 and am looking to replace the pickup covers. For those not already aware, the pickup covers on these are some kind of metal that is coated to appear/feel plastic. Presumably this is for shielding purposes, but it also cuts some high end. For this reason, I am considering swapping them out for plastic covers.

    Stewmac has these (import dogears) that are supposed to fit the pole piece spacing:
    http://www.stewmac.com/Pickups_and_...0ckVaO3FMuW1kQQsCarOQxpJGvcV5rSxoCe9oQAvD_BwE

    However, they appear to be completely straight, as is the bridge side of the cover is flush with the neck side.

    On the Riviera itself (and I think Casino's, and I presume other semi-hollow and hollow Gibsons) the pickup covers are slanted slightly, with the bridge side being slightly higher than the neck side.
    You can see in some of the photos here:
    https://en.audiofanzine.com/hollow-...tom-p93/medias/pictures/a.play,m.1751121.html

    My questions are: are there any drawbacks from putting a straight-edged cover where a slanted cover once was?

    If so, does anyone know where I can get plastic slanted dogear covers as a drop in replacement?

    *Note: I do not want to buy blanks and drill my own holes for the pole pieces, and I am not ready to swtich pickups entirely.
     
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  2. nojazzhere

    nojazzhere Friend of Leo's

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    I would think for only about $4 ea., it would be worth buying the straight and trying them. Might even be less on Amazon, with free shipping.....let us know how it works out.
    P.S. I'd never noticed the slanted covers like on that Riviera Custom before.
     

  3. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

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    I don't see what you refer to in the link, and I can't say I've noticed slanted dogear covers.

    I have shimmed the high E end higher to balance the pickup output and also seen it done on other guitars, but to some degree I consider the excessive low E output to be a part of the dogear mojo, largely because it's harder to set those pups at an angle that balances the high and low E string outputs. Being forced to cut bass at the amp to compensate isn't a deal breaker and the old ways are still in favor.

    I'd be interested to see an actual pic of a slanted cover though.
     

  4. 6BQ5

    6BQ5 Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    It may be a little easier to see here. The raised portion the cover (the part that isn't the "dogear" itself) is a little higher on the right side (in this pic) than it is on the left
     

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  5. 6BQ5

    6BQ5 Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    Me neither, but admittedly this is my first dogear equipped guitar that I've owned. It seems like it may be that way on the Casino neck pickup too, but possibly not the bridge.
     

  6. schmee

    schmee Tele-Afflicted

    Jun 2, 2003
    northwest
    I haven't seen slanted P90 covers, wasn't aware they even existed. BTW:I find many Stew Mac covers dont seem to fit the hole spacing, wither on the poles or on the screw holes. Cant remember about P90's though. I might try one out in the shop today on a Gibson P90 and see..... if I can remember!
     

  7. 6BQ5

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    They offer Gibson dogear covers and import dogear covers. I've seen reviews that the Gibson one's fit poorly on Gibsons, but the import ones fit perfectly on Epiphones.
     

  8. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

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    OK sorry I was aware of the slant to compensate for hollowbody neck angle but thought you meant slanted from one end of the cover to the other.

    It seems like Gibson must sell the correctly slanted covers, I know I've seen them packaged, but can't say where. HB rings are typically slanted.

    If your pickups are quite a distance from the strings it might not make much difference but if they are fairly close you'd really want the right parts.
    Also the body might have enough slant where the top meets the neck but need the cover slant more at the bridge where the top starts to curve the other way but the strings are still angled. Guessing since I have no Riviera to look at closely.

    An SG or Jr has less neck angle than a hollowbody, so there would likely have been different covers made for the different string angles over the body.

    Another option is buying tall covers and sanding the bottom off at an angle, whci also allows you to choose the final height.
    You'd want either a belt sander or some coarse sandpaper sheets laid on a flat surface for the heavy stock removal.
     
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  9. 6BQ5

    6BQ5 Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    Ah yes! Compensated was the term I should have used. Just couldn't think of it at the time. The pickups are pretty close, but I might be able to get away with the extra milimeter of a non-compensated (straight) cover, but the bridge pickup is definitly the one I'm more concerned about. There is a spacer there, so if push came to shove, I could cut the spacer down some. Though if I'm getting into doing all the, I might just swap out the pickups entirely. I was hoping a cover swap would be a quick, inexpensive way to find out whether the pickups were worth keeping.
     
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  10. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

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  11. 6BQ5

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    Unfortunately that one will not fit Epiphone pickups. Good looking out though. Thanks.

    I took a closer look when I got home last night. IMG_4975.JPG
    There definitely seems to be room on the neck and middle pickup if I’m willing to give up on the aesthetics of the compensated cover following the line of the strings. The bridge has a spacer, but it looks like it’s on there to make the compensated cover sit a little straighter. IMG_4978.JPG (did the best I could do accentuate where the spacer ends and cover begins). It looks like the spacer is actually cut lower on the bridge side. I wonder if I couldn’t get away with a straight pickup cover if I turned that spacer around. . .

    I’d still love to find a compensated one though, even if I had to drill the holes for the pole pieces myself.
     
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  12. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

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    Yeah with the bigger output of a neck P-90 you want to be able to raise up the bridge pickup, and if it's tilted it makes it less effective IMO.

    Exactly how much angle is needed on the cover will vary between guitars and even between setups.
    Seems odd that so few angled covers are available.
    Maybe the aftermarket is too busy fixing the Tele bridge to pay attention to the lowly P-90
     
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  13. 6BQ5

    6BQ5 Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    :lol:

    Ain't that the truth? From the looks of it, the p90 aftermarket seems to be operating under the assumption that p90's are only ever used for LP Jr.'s

    In your experience is the straight vs. angle possibly not that important provided the distance from the strings is optimized as much as possible?
     
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  14. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

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    On the neck where the pickup is further from the strings I'm not as concerned.
    The bride is IMO worth taking the time to set it level so both sides of the coil are the same distance from the strings.
     
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  15. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    I got mine from Angela's and they fit perfectly.
    They're original Gibson and I'm pretty sure they're slanted.
    11000913_538992652905106_324462739857539989_o.jpg
     
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  16. 6BQ5

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    Thank you! Unfortunately the spacing for the pole pieces is different between Gibson and Epiphone. I either need different spacing or undrilled ones that I can drill myself.
     

  17. archetype

    archetype Fiend of Leo's Ad Free Member

    Jun 4, 2005
    Williamsville NY
    Gibson, Epiphone, and replacement plated steel covers are slanted, but aren't plastic like the OP wants and Gibson spacing won't fit Epiphone import pickups, anyway.

    I have no brilliant ideas on where to get covers drilled with import-spacing. Here are undrilled that may work as long as the screw to screw distance fits:

    http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/covers_gibsonp90.htm
    http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/images/large/PN-DNH-B.jpg

    Spacers:
    http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/covers_spacers.htm

    In any case, OP remember that you should sand the bottom of any cover or spacer that sits on the guitar's top so the radii match. Making a flat plastic cover curve to match the top stresses threaded holes in the wood and the top, just a bit.
     
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  18. screamin eagle

    screamin eagle Friend of Leo's

    Oct 9, 2008
    S. CA
    If you think the spacing will fit, then try them. Unfortunately Gibson and Epi's are spaced differently. As long as the taller side doesn't touch the strings I don't see what issue it's gonna cause. And I have P90's and a few different guitars.
     
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  19. screamin eagle

    screamin eagle Friend of Leo's

    Oct 9, 2008
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    Maybe this would be a good time to simple consider swapping in some Gibson p90's. Or Duncan Antiquities (my personal favorite).
     

  20. 6BQ5

    6BQ5 Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    That's the next step. I was hoping I could try the existing pickups with different covers before I decide to drop $330+ on new pickups. I hear those antiquities squeal a bit. Is that your experience?
     

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