we have no drums and we don't miss them at all. no BS. We use drumsticks on the dash of the car to double for handicap parking permits. We practiced with drums this week and I tell you I dont miss drummers BS at all. We just practicing and the guy shows up with a set carl palmer would choke on. I think he even brought a freeking 4 ft gong he had in the van ..Took 2 hours for the guy to set it up.Then we didnt feel like playing. We were tired from watchin him. Any charlie watt clones out there?