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Church Commitment Dilemma

Discussion in 'Worship Service Players' started by studio, Aug 10, 2017.

What's a brother to do?

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  1. studio

    studio Poster Extraordinaire

    May 27, 2013
    California
    Dilemma you may ask? Well, possibly.

    Commitment is one of those words that can have
    an aura of entrapment aligned to it.

    So the story goes, last night after Wed. night Bible study
    one of the directors asked my wife about ongoing participation
    in the congregation. My wife being the laid back and honest person she is
    said, Sure, whatever you need."

    Then that very same director asked about how i would feel
    about a six month commitment to their congregation.
    I feel my feet searching for the brake pedal........

    As it goes, I helped this congregation purchase their new sound system
    for their new location which is in the community center on Sunday mornings
    and Bible study on Wednesday. The sound system had to be ultra portable
    and still function with clarity. My biggest pet peeve is listening to garbage
    audio because they made a wrong sound system decision.

    Anyway, I'm supposed to have dinner tonight with the pastor's son
    who is 30 years my junior and discuss my 6 month commitment.

    I only wanted to help them get rolling in their new digs and hold their
    hand for a few weeks and then see where that leads. However, the
    people are very nice, and it's smack dab in the heart of town where
    I take my granddaughters to cheerleading and T ball and concerts.

    I have extensive experience in live broadcast ministry and corporate
    production. Far reaching from what this small, beautiful congregation
    is used to.

    I really want to decline the offer, or should I more appropriately say,
    make a counter offer.

    My counter offer would be for them to give me a years commitment
    and I could bolster their production and make them broadcast ready
    if that's the direction they want to go in. Otherwise I feel my talents
    would be utilized elsewhere where the church has that vision for themselves.

    I just have this feeling that as soon as I commit to them, someone else
    is going to need my assistance and I will have to decline. Sad.

    What's a brother to do?
     
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  2. morgankelly

    morgankelly Tele-Meister

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  3. morgankelly

    morgankelly Tele-Meister

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  6. JuneauMike

    JuneauMike Tele-Holic

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    Not sure I understand what's being asked here? Commitment to what? Are they asking you to commit to being a member of the church, or commit to doing sound? Is there more to the backstory? Is it a new church? You said they just bought a portable sound system and that they meet in a community center? They don't have their own structure?

    Adding to the confusion is the counter offer. They want you to commit to something for 6 months. You are reluctant to do that, but your counter offer would be that you commit to a year.
     

  7. mRtINY

    mRtINY Tele-Afflicted

    May 7, 2015
    Orygun
    No promises, no regrets. It's interesting that they would phrase it like that... Without a paycheck involved, I wouldn't commit to a long term support role if it wasn't a congregation I felt called to.
     

  8. studio

    studio Poster Extraordinaire

    May 27, 2013
    California
    No. You might have misread it. I want them to have to commit to me.
    Yes, there is a difference.

    I would put together a plan of attack to make them production ready,
    but they are the ones that would have to commit to following through.
    We all know a few church groups that operate on a wing and a prayer,
    I'm sure that phrase got it's reputation somewhere!

    I wouldn't want them to bail just because the going got tough and
    they weren't expecting to have to work at it. By me asking them
    to commit, is asking them to take a cold hard look at the reality
    of doing business at a broadcast level. Schedules, scripts, stage
    management plots, they don't write themselves!
     

  9. Pualee

    Pualee Tele-Meister

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    Feb 5, 2014
    Virginia
    I think you are right... they cannot expect you to 'commit' if they haven't 'committed' to anything themselves.

    Make them lay out why they want you to commit, what they expect you to commit to, and what they have committed to.

    It is like a job interview... I've personally never walked into an interview and NOT received an offer. What the interviewer fails to recognize is that I am actually interviewing them back to see if I want the offer.
     

  10. studio

    studio Poster Extraordinaire

    May 27, 2013
    California
    They do not have their own building. They were meeting at odd times
    in another established church's sanctuary. Don't know why that changed
    recently, but it did.

    So now, IMO it gives them a better opportunity at a Run and Gun type
    of ministry. you know, going mobile! Beep beep.

    Yes, you got that right. I advised them to make intelligent purchases
    which reflect the type of situation they are involving themselves in.

    This church is smackdown in the heart of town. not by their own
    merit but by a divine hand, from what I see. I don't think they realize how much
    power they have under the hood.
     

  11. studio

    studio Poster Extraordinaire

    May 27, 2013
    California
    They practically handed me the keys to all things production.
    That includes webcast, podcasts, video and audio production,
    both for live outdoor events and regular church services.

    I had to slow it down a few notches and explain what they
    were getting themselves into.

    This is why they needed to commit to a production standard.
    Not something like, "Oh, the spirit said we should go this way...."
    that doesn't fly with set production tasks.

    A simple example is when the crew sets up lights all night
    Saturday, but Sunday the presenter gets a whim to walk around and talk
    to the congregation away from all the lighting!

    that's a recipe for frustration, and at that point someone
    didn't rein in the talent on stage and direct them properly.
    Or, the talent didn't pay attention enough to process
    that they need to stay in the light pool.

    That's part of what this commitment means. Are you really sure
    you want me to dictate production skills that might seem
    nitpicky by normal standards?
     

  12. JuneauMike

    JuneauMike Tele-Holic

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    Alaska
    Are they offering you a paying job? Or do they just want you to volunteer?
     
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  13. Tele-beeb

    Tele-beeb Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 2, 2012
    The Bluegrass
    It's this "paying job" idea I can't wrap my mind around.
    Has left me (for lack of a better word)... Hurt
     

  14. Wayne Museum

    Wayne Museum TDPRI Member

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    I'm not following the situation, I don't think, but it does sound like you have an agenda that might not match up with theirs. Is "broadcast ready" the aim of the Church? In certain situations, maybe, but only insofar as it serves the Great Commission. But small churches do an awful lot of good, and bring an awful lot of people to Christ, without anything more for their worship than a Fender Passport and volunteer musicians. Or, in earlier times, an out of tune piano and a choir. The question I'd ask, then, is two part: are your desires with this church growing the Church Body (and not just in numbers) and are you growing? And are you willing to change what you want for what the Church needs?
     
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  15. Sjnoring

    Sjnoring Tele-Holic

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    Wayne is right. I'll tell you this and you can take it or leave it, nothing will make an atheist run away faster than when the church amasses money and power. Atheists have a more thorough understanding of Jesus and your gospel than you may think. And it seems self evident that churches with millions of dollars in their coffers brokering power in Washington have nothing to do with Jesus. This church sounds ambitious, warn them not to go there.

    As for your dilemma, you sound pretty wised up, not the kind of guy who's easily manipulated. So I'm sure you'll find a way to politely say no.
     

  16. studio

    studio Poster Extraordinaire

    May 27, 2013
    California
    I have no idea what you're talking about, only that a lot of it seems to be presumptuous.

    Nowhere in my several posts have I mentioned or implied:

    Ambition
    Atheists
    Money
    Power
    Washington Power Brokers

    ???:confused:???
     

  17. studio

    studio Poster Extraordinaire

    May 27, 2013
    California
    Why is that?

    Please explain it to me and I'll try my best to
    express both sides of the coin.

    I didn't mention money at all, for starters.
    That's like asking someone how much they get paid!

    Some things are better left on a personal level.

    But I really want to hear your view about
    church work and money. Thanks.
     
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  18. Sjnoring

    Sjnoring Tele-Holic

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    Just a cautionary note on the nature of institutions. They grow and become addicted to money and amass power and soon the institution becomes its own reason for existence. I hope that doesn't happen.
     

  19. studio

    studio Poster Extraordinaire

    May 27, 2013
    California
    No sir. Not with this bunch.

    One of the reasons I was keeping certain criteria
    out of my posts ($$$) was so people wouldn't get the wrong notion
    of ambition and greed.

    Just like with music, the musicians themselves have to do a bit of
    self monitoring, soul searching in order to effectively pull off that
    fine line between performance level and the ever so misused scripture
    of making a joyful noise. The way it's used sometimes is to provide an
    atmosphere of halfheartedness or laziness. I personally don't subscribe
    to that.

    Anyway, the same goes for production technique that will indeed suffer
    tremendously if not taken seriously enough to give the tried and true
    professional standards a platform.

    Look, they all know of my ability to produce quality material, and I didn't
    solicit them for one minute! They came looking for me. Heck, I haven't even
    mentioned to them of my musical aspirations! Lol.

    If they want to present to the world their version of all the good things
    a church life can offer, then let's let them have their moment. By all means,
    go for the banner over me is love and share it with the world. Or share it
    with your little corner of the community. Either option is the right one IMO.

    I'll be honest with you here, I have been totally blessed with so much.
    to the point of how scripture describes as over abundance, a blessing
    that I truly cannot contain!

    There are people that figuratively would give their right arm to be in my shoes.
    I have lived a very undeserving yet bountiful life. Not by my own hands
    or the sweat of my brow, but by the hand of God in my life.

    So, now that I'm in my 50's and am unofficially retired early, I can now
    focus on a dream I've had to help church groups who have the vision
    to proclaim the good news through any type of electronic medium
    they choose.

    I will not cheapen those efforts by allowing anything less than
    the widow giving her two mites to this endeavor. Does every church or praise
    group require this? My initial reaction is, Of Course Not!

    But it's there for the asking.
     

  20. Sjnoring

    Sjnoring Tele-Holic

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    Oh I hope I didn't come across as implying you're greedy. I figured you'd be working for free or for expenses. You're quite stoked for the Lord and so it seems and so is this church so I'm just saying don't let the institution become the end in itself. You would probably agree this tends to happen with movements. They start almost spontaneously with a small group of loosely organized zealots (I mean that in a good way), then the movement catches on, then some higher level of organization is necessary to carry out the movement's mission on an ever broader scale, then hierarchies and bureaucracies form, then the perpetuation of the institution becomes the main purpose of the movement. This is what happened with Christianity in fact. I just find this phenomenon interesting which is why I chimed in. It's almost inevitable.

    I also find paradoxes interesting, and one arises from the question of what they are going to do with this production gear and expertise. With advanced technology you can get your message out to more people. But in the very act of bringing people in, you chase them away if they perceive that the church has amassed wealth.

    Which just as an aside, with powerful means of communication, now including the Internet, is there a corner of the world where the gospel has not been preached? According to biblical prophecy this completeness will initiate the universal outfolding of both personal and cosmic eschatology as well as the culmination of the arc of heilsgeschichte. So really your six month commitment is moot because the world will end on Monday.
     

  21. studio

    studio Poster Extraordinaire

    May 27, 2013
    California
    I don't have an agenda.

    I'm perfectly fine sitting in a chair with my wife and absorbing
    what is being expressed on the pulpit and stage.
     

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