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Can't quit smoking

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by RoCkstAr256, Sep 13, 2018 at 3:26 PM.

  1. boris bubbanov

    boris bubbanov Telefied Ad Free Member

    I respect your strong opinion. Personally, I think vaping is foolish and doesn't put the e-smoker far enough away from the old habit to be certain anything will stick.

    Having said that, I'm in the "The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good" camp. I want people to stop tobacco because of the tars and other carcinogens. Nicotene and Nicotinoids may kill cabbage loopers but humans can tolerate nicotene with little risk to health. This is why Society's first efforts to curtail smoking were in the form of low tar cigarettes, filters, pipes and so forth - nicotene without so much of the other stuff.

    Smoking is unique and weird this way. Other addictions, it is the active ingredient that's helping to kill the person with the dependence. But in the case of smoking, from the perspective of causing death in humans, the nicotene itself is not the problem. Everything else in tobacco is what causes emphysema, lung cancer, clogged arteries, strokes and so forth. If we could have a magic wand and make Nicotene vanish from the face of the Earth, yes, people would all quit tobacco soon enough. It is the Bait. But it isn't actually what sickens and kills people. Patches and gum are really a Godsend, I think. While I might like people to not get addicted to nicotene, what I care most about is whether they suffer; whether they die and I think the evidence is overwhelming, it is all the other components of tobacco that sicken, maim and kill.
     
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  2. boris bubbanov

    boris bubbanov Telefied Ad Free Member

    Actually, I think you're on to something.

    I would say, just based on anecdote, that the women who were interested in being intimate with guys, tended not to smoke, and women who smoked tended to be less interested in sex and more interested in recreational substances, alchohol and anything not having to do with too much sex.

    I could always tell if a woman was losing interest in me, if she had a remission back to a cigarette here and there. Sometimes they needn't say a word.

    I know this runs counter to the old saw "if it feels good, do it". Young ladies with a serious appetite for sex, might not mind a flute or two of Champagne, but as for the rest of those "diversions", if I didn't make time for them, they didn't seem to mind.


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    I feel like I'm the only non smoker in this thread. I was bound to be one, but as we boys headed back into the woods to give these cigarettes a try, in the darkness of an Ohio summer night, I stepped on a huge spike sticking out of a two by four, almost came through the top of my foot. My sneaker filled with blood, and I washed out. I realized I had to get home quick, or my Mom would not sleep a wink that night. Afterward, every time I saw a cigarette I imagined that huge nail going into my foot. That's aversion therapy and it worked. An excellent Ohio summer night, it turns out.
     
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  3. Ripradiant

    Ripradiant Tele-Afflicted

    Jul 31, 2014
    Alberta Canada
    The answer to quitting is simple... you really have to want to quit. If you cant quit its really because you don' want too enough. There is no other way.

    I found a substitution method worked... every time I felt like a cigarette I would stick a piece of gum in instead.
     
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  4. Phrygian77

    Phrygian77 Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 30, 2016
    Crawfordville, FL
    My girlfriend is smoker who only smokes when she's drinking. She been that way for a couple of decades. How she is not addicted, and just puts them down during the weekdays baffles me. It must be genetic. That's my best guess.
     

  5. BigDaddyLH

    BigDaddyLH Telefied Ad Free Member

    Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_tobacco_belt

    Stompin Tom wrote a song about his picking tobacco in Tilsonburg:



    (I posted that before on TDPRI and someone commented that his accent was all wrong for someone picking tobacco in the south :rolleyes: )

    Where I live now, the Okanagan valley in BC, had plenty of tobacco growing in the early 1900's. Back then, there was no irrigation or refrigerated transport, so tobacco was the logical cash crop.

    I drive past a dilapidated tobacco drying barn on the way to work.

    [​IMG]

    (All the vents on the roof are the clue that it's a specialised barn.)
     
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  6. kingvox

    kingvox Tele-Meister

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    Mar 23, 2017
    USA
    Even after switching from commercial cigs to whole leaf tobacco that I shred, blend, and roll myself, smoking a LOT less, AND using a TarGard Permanent Tar Filter regularly, I STILL feel 100% better when I don't smoke AT ALL.

    Even light smoking whole leaf tobacco with a tar filter seems to bring back a chronic cough, almost overnight. Whole leaf tobacco, AFAIK, is NOT freebased with ammonia, as commercial cigs are, and IMO is far less addictive. And it's a heck of a lot cheaper. But that's beside the point:

    Currently, as it stands, I have a couple pounds of whole leaf tobacco sitting in the closet, but I haven't smoked anything in weeks, I've been practicing boxing again, working out again, I KNOW I feel better without ANY tobacco at all.

    Even smoking the purest homegrown stuff with a tar filter, it triggers chronic cough, windedness, and just generally not feeling good.

    I only recommend whole leaf tobacco because it seems to have worked for me better than anything else: having the OPTION to smoke, but being faced with the reality that it just isn't worth it. Buying commercial cigs is so easy, like fast food. I suppose a similar concept would be that you'd be allowed to eat whatever you wanted, under one stipulation: you have to cook it or bake it yourself. Most people would just give it up after discovering it's just way too much work for so little reward.

    It's the convenience of being able to buy a whole pack whenever you want that makes it tough. That, and the ammonia they add to it ;) If you shredded your own whole tobacco leaves, then blended them together, and rolled up enough to make an entire pack, and did that a few times, it's very likely you'd never want to smoke again. It is just way too much of an effort.

    Whole leaf tobacco: it's a royal pain to shred, blend, and roll yourself, AND it makes you feel awful on top of that?

    I'll admit one thing: I'm tempted right now to get the Mason jars out that I keep my Burley and Yenidje tobacco in, get my Top-O-Matic tube injector, my Zen tubes, and my TarGard, roll up a cigarette and go out on the rocking chair on the porch and enjoy it with a coffee. For the first minutes before the ill effects start kicking in, it feels like heaven.

    But I have very clear memories of feeling congested, winded, shortness of breath, and feeling like my blood vessels are constricting. I probably understand better than anyone the "joy" that tobacco can bring, having blended some of my own cigs that were out of this world as far as flavor and body of the smoke goes. I got REALLY into it, almost like guitar work, with how much I'd experiment with different blends and casings and moisture contents and all that. And I made some amazing stuff.

    Burley, Virginia, Canadian, Yenidje, Izmir, Perique, light fire cured, dark fire cured...you name it, I made a blend with it, and I can remember all their distinct tastes and flavors right now, how they burned and how the smoke felt as I inhaled it.

    But it always made me feel like crap. Even now, as I'm craving the taste and body of the smoke from one of my own home-rolled cigs, it is INSEPARABLE from the simultaneous feeling: constricted blood vessels, lungs feeling tired and beat up, heart feeling like it's being wrapped in heat shrink tubing.

    Yes, the taste to me is great. The body of the smoke is great. I love everything about smoking. Except what happens to my body as a result of it. Sit and meditate on being congested, the heart-racing (heart-constricting) feeling, coughing....think about how your body feels AFTER you smoke. ANY ill effects you've gotten from smoking, just concentrate on those. You may find your perception of cigarettes shifts very rapidly.
     
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  7. DonM

    DonM Tele-Afflicted Ad Free Member

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    Apr 21, 2016
    Henderson,NV/SLC,UT
    Are you vaping nicotine?
     
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  8. RoCkstAr256

    RoCkstAr256 Tele-Holic

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    Jan 3, 2017
    Poland
    Wow so many responses after a night. Thanks guys for all the post ill try mąkę a generał answer. Ok ont chew a nicorette it doesnt work. I might try desmoxan again but it makes me sleepy and depressive. I will quit beer also since the taste of it makes m wanna smoke. Starting Sunday
     
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  9. Larry F

    Larry F Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

    Nov 5, 2006
    Iowa City, IA
    I sure wouldn't pooh-pooh any method for quitting that produces results for people. I'm a cold turkey fan, myself, but I've known people with success with patches and nicotine gum.

    You don't even have to want to quit, just go along with whatever program you choose and get it over with.
     
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  10. Paul Jenkin

    Paul Jenkin Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    Aug 17, 2017
    Essex, UK
    I genuinely feel for anyone trying to give up smoking and hope they find whatever method works for them.

    I have never been a smoker - other than a "passive" smoker when I was a kid - as both my parents were heavy smokers.

    The fact that they both smoked is probably the reason I didn't - as I was always being accused of smoking when I went to school due to my clothes reeking of tobacco smoke - which I hated.

    In those days (the 1970's) it was becoming evident that smoking posed a wide range of health issues. Both my mum and dad tried to give up a few times but one would start again and the other would follow suit, almost immediately.

    The fact that smoking is often done in a social environment is probably one of the main reasons that people start again after a period of not smoking.

    In the UK, we have a complete ban on smoking in the workplace and in communal places like hotels, restaurants, cinemas, pubs and clubs, etc. This has helped, a bit, but mostly just forced smokers to smoke outdoors rather than giving up.

    The govt has hiked up tax on tobacco sales and imposed restrictions on advertising. Shops now have to keep stock "hidden" and yet one of my friends who works at a supermarket says that sales haven't dropped off.

    Good luck with your endeavours to get away from tobacco.
     

  11. chiefline

    chiefline Tele-Holic

    941
    Mar 18, 2014
    new jersey
    That’s cold. Don’t think he needs that sarcasm...
     

  12. adjason

    adjason Friend of Leo's

    Jan 9, 2010
    virginia
    I have had some friends who vaping seemed to work to weed off the cigs
     
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  13. chiefline

    chiefline Tele-Holic

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    Mar 18, 2014
    new jersey
    Everything in this country that causes cancer is banned except cigarettes. Why? Because you are making big tobacco rich and the government loves the taxes it makes from this cancer causing business. Don’t believe for a second that the government or doctors want you to quit. You sickness is their gold. Please quit and don’t let them make a living off of you getting sick. Good luck
     
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  14. scottser

    scottser Tele-Afflicted

    Mar 6, 2009
    dublin
    i changed jobs a while ago and went for a medical test. they did a spirometry test on me and told me i had the lungs of a 71 year old man - i was 46 at the time. that was me done, there and then. i was about to be a father for the second time too, so it scared the life out of me that i wouldn't be around to see my kids grow up.
    i'm 3 years off them but i'll admit to the occasional relapse. the main thing is to forgive yourself quickly and get back on the wagon.
     

  15. esseff

    esseff Tele-Meister

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    Mar 25, 2014
    East Midlands, UK
    Smoking is actually good for you.
    Well, it cures kippers anyway. :D

    I used to smoke and half-heartedly gave it up several times. My failure/s, like others here, was having a drink in a bar and watching other people light up (before the days when it was banned in public places). Then one day I got annoyed with my lack of willpower and just quit. It was like turning a switch off in my brain that relegated tobacco to a non-essential level. Once I'd made my mind up, it was no problem.
    Sideways, I've always been a (sometimes excessive) drinker and, out of the blue, I'll stop for a few days just to show my body who the boss is.
    My partner smoked for many years and tried to give it up by using nicotine patches. Each time, she'd successfully get over the withdrawal period, and then, for some reason, start again. She took up vaping over two years ago and hasn't smoked since, so there's definitely merit in using e-cigs as an alternative. As mentioned earlier in the thread, paying over £10.00 per packet is as good a reason as any to quit.
     
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  16. Tele-beeb

    Tele-beeb Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 2, 2012
    The Bluegrass
    I quit Cold Turkey in 1982... still not sure how
     
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  17. Alamo

    Alamo Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Nov 15, 2006
    Berlin
    Cold turkey is not for everyone ;):D

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  18. BlackieBlues

    BlackieBlues TDPRI Member

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    Sep 1, 2018
    Boston, MA
    The most disgusting, most immature habit ever, IMO
     
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  19. StrangerNY

    StrangerNY Friend of Leo's

    Yes, nicotine at 18 mg. It's disappointing to a lot of my friends who see me vaping and think it's something else. ;)

    No wacky flavors, either. When I first bought the vaping gear, the guy showed me a menu with about 40 flavors on it. I asked him, 'Do you have anything that tastes like a cigarette?'

    - D
     
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