Benefit to additional string tree on D & G strings?

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  1. DHart

    DHart Friend of Leo's

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    Just curious... the D & G strings on Teles have a fairly gentle and long slope down to the tuning machines, so I was wondering if one might notice an improved response from the guitar if those two strings had increased downward tension on the nut - by adding a second string tree?

    What are your thoughts or direct experience with this?
     
  2. JustABluesGuy

    JustABluesGuy Friend of Leo's

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    I haven’t felt a need with mine, or the few others I have played. If it turns out no one has tried it, maybe you can and report back?

    Better or worse? Will it still even sound like a Tele? I’m curious now!

    Damned internet! :mad:
     
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    I've seen it done... so I know that they're out there. I have a Japanese Fender Tele maple neck (awesome neck, BTW) that has two round-shaped string trees and I like the support that they give to the D and G strings... I know that it probably isn't really "needed", but perhaps the extra tension on the nut might improve tone, just a bit?

    I think I will order up a couple and try them on some of my other Teles - just for the fun of trying it.
     
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  4. fraser

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    It does help with the phantom ringing at the g string that can happen if you don’t wind the string enough down the tuning post.
    Most of us I think give it a good few wraps, I do,
    But I’ve seen instances where not enough of a break angle existed on those strings behind the nut,
    And it can do funky things.
     
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  5. Art VanDelay

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    My direct experience was that I installed x2 Tusq string trees as well as a Tusq nut. I could look at my string's break angles over the nut and just visually tell that trees were required.

    I did have some nut buzzing and that fixed it immediately. I guess they are mostly there for support and I can't say that I can hear a difference (sustain?).
     
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  6. DHart

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    Sounds like adding a second string tree would improve string stability and may actually improve tonal stability a bit.
     
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  7. fraser

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    Sure, but then again, doing that adds another friction point that can affect tuning stability lol.
    Really though, I have some with a single tree, some with 2.
    Usually either works fine,
    I tend to wind the strings down the tuning peg a fair bit,
    Something dan erlewhine said about stringing a guitar for tuning stability that stuck with me for years.
    But for sure, the second tree would eliminate any string break at the nut issues straight away.

    I happened to see this problem recently with a guitar, single string tree, whoever strung it had only a couple winds on the g string.
    There was a weird harmonic that you would hear, and it seemed to be coming from the saddles.
    But, it was that length of string behind the nut ringing out, and I think the brass saddles and bridge plate were amplifying that.
    A finger tip behind the nut on that string stopped it.
    That’s why I mentioned it, otherwise it wouldn’t have occurred to me to post.

    I would bet that if I looked at the nut with a magnifying glass I would’ve seen the string sitting slightly loose at the back of the nut, and moving in there.

    I don’t have an issue with just one string tree, for me the second tree is a solution to a problem that won’t exist if I string the guitar.
    But if it’s there, that’s cool too.
     
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    Still fit a cigarette?
     
  9. El Tele Lobo

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    Can't hurt much, esp. with a well-designed tree. I like the round ones or the roller-type, depending if it's vintage style or modern. Not crazy about the M-shaped ones.
     
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  10. bgmacaw

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    I found it to be helpful in getting good tension across the nut when using Nashville stringing. The very light strings will tend become sitar-like otherwise. I also had to add string trees on my Mosrite JR kit build since it needed more tension across the zero fret.

    With regular tuning and stringing on a Tele, it probably isn't needed.
     
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    You can always get a 3 string retainer and not have to drill a second hole.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I use two on my Tele.....generic "roller"-style. I practice a lot un-plugged, and extraneous rattles and "pings" bother me. I don't notice any improved "tone" from increasing the downward break behind the nut, but it doesn't hurt anything either. BTW....I don't like those "M"-shaped trees, I seem to experience tuning issues with those.
     
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    On my last two partscasters I played them with no string tree at all for a few weeks and they both seemed fine. I did eventually install a string tree on each regardless. With a current partscaster build I have ordered Kluson Supreme staggered vintage tuners to avoid having a string tree on the neck.
     
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    Wow - flatwound strings with a wound G! :)
     
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    I only do the D and G if there is ringing above the nut on that specific guitar. Les Paul style or other headstocks where string trees are sacrilege get a hair tie if the noise really bothers me :D
     
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