Backup amp in a pedal

Discussion in 'The Stomp Box' started by Vespa_One, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Vespa_One

    Vespa_One Tele-Holic

    Feb 14, 2017
    Howdy folks,

    I’m looking for an emergency solution in case my amp breaks.

    I hear about the Joyo American Sound, do you simply put this pedal at the end of the chain and plug in to the PA? Do you need a DI BOX also??

    Any input on a small, preferably inexpensive solution to emergency amp failure would be appreciated. Trying to avoid back up amp to minimize load in trips or risk of being stolen if left in vehicle.

    Thanks for any input!
  2. wrathfuldeity

    wrathfuldeity Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 25, 2011
    Turdcaster, WA
    JD10 Session Master and be done.
  3. 63telemaster

    63telemaster Tele-Meister

    Jul 29, 2013
    Haha I was just going to say that :)

    Been using these for 25 years for studio and live work. Never bettered!
  4. rze99

    rze99 Poster Extraordinaire

    Feb 26, 2014
    South London UK
    yes AS will do it.
    No di needed.
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  5. artdecade

    artdecade Poster Extraordinaire

    Dec 6, 2010
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  6. wulfenganck

    wulfenganck Tele-Holic

    Aug 18, 2015
    Seligenstadt, Germany
    I can't comment on the American, but I have the Harley Benton AC Tone (Joyo with a different brand name for Germany), which is supposed to be a Vox AC 30 in a pedal.
    I also have the Tech21 Blonde - which is the original to the Joyo American.
    I also have The Harley Benton Mini Stomp Clean Glass (= Fender'ish) and Golden Face (= Marshall'ish), which are also designed to go direct to mixing desk.
    And last, but not least, I have a Palmer Pocketamp Mark II, which is modelled after another clever Tech21 pedal.
    I tried all of them direct to mixing desks - you don't need an extra di-box.

    Anyway, they all work and offer a useable sound direct to mixing desk.
    It is OF COURSE NOT the sound you'll get from an amp.
    It does not have the dynamic range nor the subtleties in the tone.
    Maybe the audience will not spot the difference, but unless you're completely relying on in-ear-monitoring, you will spot the difference on stage.

    I have the AC Tone as a usual overdrive in front of an amp on a small "quick&dirty"-board for jams.
    The Mini Stomps are for some weird bass-sounds.

    The Tech21 or the Palmer Pocketamp are in our "odds & sods"-box for gigs in case of emergency.
    But you can bet, I sure hope my amp will never fail me.
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  7. Chicago Matt

    Chicago Matt Friend of Leo's

    Aug 23, 2014
    The American Sound is what I have for emergency. It sounds very good, though I've never HAD to use it. For $40, it may be worth it to you just to see. The JD10 Session Master will cost you more - there is one on Reverb presently for $228 + change. Oh, and $35 more for shipping.
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  8. Garruchal

    Garruchal Tele-Meister

    Nov 29, 2013
    DV Mark Micro 50 II is my solution; I've been gigging with a Princeton Reverb, and if it ever had a problem I can plug the PR's speaker directly into this. I was going to get a Quilter Tone Block, but this has built-in reverb and sounds great. It doesn't have an XLR direct-out, but the phones output does sound very good through a PA in case the PR is stolen or has a speaker problem.
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  9. guitarmikey

    guitarmikey Tele-Holic

    Dec 30, 2012
    Magnum 44 great amp in pedal form.
    If in need for special/dedicated sounds, then try Boss FBM-1, Vox MV50 AC or Rock version, Zoom G2NU this one with many amps inside. Even Boss Micro BR might go for...
    Have fun & different amps!
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  10. DaveKS

    DaveKS Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

    Oct 21, 2013
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  11. nosuch

    nosuch Friend of Leo's

    Apr 4, 2008
    I've done that, but ran the Pedal into a DI and then into the stagebox. If the mixer has jack inputs you won't need the DI – but most stageboxes have only XLR connections so you'll need a DI/adapter/xlr to jack cable to plug in. If you go to the mixer directly just use an instrument cable and be done. It sounds pretty good and if you want a little reverb – most mixers have it anyway.
    Good monitoring is crucial.
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  12. DaphneBlue

    DaphneBlue Tele-Meister

    Jul 22, 2017
    It seems these pedals, sometimes called "amp in a box" pedals, are getting a lot of attention. I only possess the joyo american sound. I've never tried it in a PA but I noticed that it works better in a "neutral sounding" amp than in an amp with its own "personality". So I guess that it would work quite well with a PA but I still have to try.

    Nonetheless I agree with what has been said about the response and dynamic range: it is still not sounding and behaving as an amp.

    Other pedals might be more similar to amps:

    Quilter blocks
    Vox MVs
    Milkman the amp
    DV Mark small heads
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  13. Rich_S

    Rich_S Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

    Dec 29, 2006
    Potsdam, NY
    How about a backup amp NOT in a pedal? Vox MV50, choose your flavor. I have the “Rock” (Marshall) model and love it.
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  14. Flaneur

    Flaneur Friend of Leo's

    May 24, 2010
    My buddy Hammerhead has a Quilter. He likes it so much, he sometimes leaves his amp at home. Works great, in the band mix, for his guitar and steel playing.
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  15. Beachbum

    Beachbum Friend of Leo's

    Mar 11, 2009
    Sand Land
    Hotone - Reverb - EQ for boost.

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  16. Beachbum

    Beachbum Friend of Leo's

    Mar 11, 2009
    Sand Land
  17. bgmacaw

    bgmacaw Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 11, 2006
    Near Athens GA USA
    I use a Tech21 SansAmp GT2 directly into the clean channel on a Peavey Bandit most of the time. This has worked well. I have done direct into a PA with it and it isn't quite as good. I recently got a Monoprice DI box and that really helped it. I've also used a Hotone Mojo Diamond in a similar configuration and had about the same results.
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  18. RyCo1983

    RyCo1983 Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    Aug 15, 2012
    Central PA
    I use a Tech 21 Flyrig...the RK5
    It's a backup for the Line 6 Helix.

    Already going ampless!
  19. 3-Chord-Genius

    3-Chord-Genius Poster Extraordinaire

    Apr 3, 2015
    Winchester, VA
    Joyo AC Tone, $40. I keep one with me in case of an amp malfunction, and had to use it once.
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  20. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Mar 17, 2003
    Spring City, Pa
    Joyo American stays in my gig case.
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