Any advice on how to get past the standard chords?

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  1. getbent

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    it rubs the fatback on its skin or it plays mundane 9th chords and gets hosed again.
     
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    lacking veracity requires additional voicings.
     
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    I would echo some of the thoughts here: you have to listen to and explore playing music to gets past the basic chord set. Classical music has been doing it for 300 years, jazz for a century, then prog rock, some metal, Zappa, etc.

    Wade into genres that may not be your cup of tea and see what you learn!
     
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    Eggsackly. Whither "and the truth"?
     
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    I think Mickey Baker's book is almost too hard for most people. I'm an experienced player and I wasn't too thrilled with trying to learn a gazillion
    fairly esoteric chord voicings right out of the gate. It's a pretty huge chunk to try and swallow IMO. I think the idea of learning songs that you
    want to play that have some interesting chords, and learning the chords you need for them as you need them, may be a more palatable
    way to expand chord vocabulary. We didn't learn to speak English by slavishly studying grammar books. We learned by speaking it. I think
    music in general should be learned the same way-- by learning what we need to know as we actually make music.
     
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    The Truth? You want the TRUTH?!
     
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    the challenge here is that is a list of destinations... the key is which path to take to all the destinations and that lies in.... wait for it.... harmony.

    there. I said it.
     
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    The OP needs to say what he is trying to do, what is his goal? How about a video that demonstrates it?
     
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    Without more info, the thread ended at Ken's post... which is why I goofed off...
     
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    I agree, we know nothing, does he/she play jazz, rock, country,,, in fact she/he hasn't even chimed in since the OP, and after all these suggestions and eager input.

    ???
     
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    Chord Chemistry is not my choice for this "next level" book.

    Julian Lage said what I had been thinking about the book. He said he spent all this time learning page 1, and in the end the chords in the book did not click with his way of playing.

    Chord Chemistry is an advanced book aimed primarily at solo jazz guitarists. It's too much for someone who's looking to step beyond basic barr chords. I haven't looked at my copy in years because I just don't need it.

    Chord Chemistry is full of studies that Greene created when he was learning chords. Some people read a book, Greene wrote a book. There are lots of artists that did similar things as Greene that they put in a book and I found in a music store and bought. I have at least 20 books much like Chord Chemistry that are full of etudes and exercises the wrote while learning.

    The Art Of Two Line Improvisation by Jimmy Wyble is one, George Van Eps, Joe Pass, Howard Robert's, and especially

    Pat Martino, who had to relearn all guitar after serious brain surgery where they had to cut his corpus callosum (responsible for the brain being able to communicate with both hemispheres).
    And he wrote it all out as his eyes became a major way for both hemispheres to communicate. Watch him play and notice his intense focus on what both hands are doing. The point is, it worked for him. So write things out, create your own book. Write out theory and applications, write etudes, write etudes around Autumn Leaves that Klassaine suggested. Write out 10x through the song, maybe call it sonic sculpting.

    And call all that work FUN. At least I always viewed it as fun.


    The old saying "give a person a fish and they eat for a day, teach a person to fish and they eat for life. That is so true about chords.
     
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    I second this. If you can learn basic "drop 2" and "drop 3" forms (Google it if you don't know what that means), those basic forms can easily be altered to become more complex/colorful/unusual/etc.
     
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    I loved the Mickey Baker book! I was practicing the lessons and all the time I was going, dude, you can do *this* with a guitar??!!!

    Especially liked the "intros" lesson. With that and a bit of imagination, you can start putting together your first chord melodies.
     
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    hence the circles of fifths:

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    I think of drop-2 and drop-3 chords as "the standard chords". We need to hear from the OP.
     
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    I think standard chords for majority of casual guitarists are open and barre chords. That's beginner and intermediate level. Drop chords are upper end of intermediate level, IMO. Not sure if you're a guitar instructor but most students I come across barely make it to the barre chord stage before deciding "this is too hard" and go back to soccer.
     
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    If you are familiar with Truefire an have the app to download and store videos, Howard Morgen has a very good lesson video called “Fingerboard Breakthrough” where he discusses in detail how to increase your chord vocabulary and make chords sound good with voice leading concepts.
     
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