I'm not too sure that we were talking about "classic" cars in this thread at all. We were talking about the crap U.S. cars built after the classic cars. My dad's '62 Chevy Bel Air went 260,000 with nothing but a water pump and then he sold it to a buddy of mine that kept it for years and is probably still running today somewhere (bubble rear window). I think the point of the thread was about some really bad cars built during the 70s that were worse throwaway cars than today's throw away cars. They were the beginning of the modern era of throwaways.