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A stupid question ...

Discussion in 'Music to Your Ears' started by TeleAndSG, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Paul Jenkin

    Paul Jenkin Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    I was a 15 year old growing up in a suburb of Greater Manchester when punk hit the UK in '76. It was of no lasting interest to me.

    My musical taste had been prog rock / heavy rock from the late 60's / early 70's and, aside from The Stranglers and The Clash (who weren't really punk, IMO, and whose albums I bought) I couldn't have cared less about what punks thought about Disco or the bands I liked. I just kept on liking them and buying their albums, going to their gigs.

    I did see gigs by quite a few of the punk bands in the '76 to early 80's, more out of curiosity than anything else, but usually came away with little more than a faint headache. They didn't change my world and I didn't buy into theirs.

    I really didn't like disco much, either - although I've often heard it said that if you look at a rock fan's record collection you'll find albums by The Carpenters and/or Abba. I have both.
     
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  2. TeleAndSG

    TeleAndSG Tele-Afflicted

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    I also like prog rock (particularly classic Yes) a lot, and of course, the BNWHM, which was influenced by Punk. As for Disco, yikes!
     

  3. Minimalist518

    Minimalist518 Tele-Holic

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    Disco as a pop culture fad is empty party music for privileged people. As such, it’s part and parcel with the status quo that Punk rebelled against.
    That said, dance music as a form could be coopted; See “The Magnificent Seven” by the Clash or Gang of Four’s entire catalog.
    To me, disco was the ultimate end-product and fruition of the Boomer trend towards free-love/drug hedonism that the hippy movement devolved into.
    In its way, Disco was more nihilistic than Punk ever was. An empty drugged-out, sexed-up facile fiddling while Rome burnt in the slow flames of recession and cycling crises.
    The faux anarchy-nihilism of the Pistols never interested me. It was a pose. The best of Punk disdained poses, or at least poses without underlying purpose, and sought to punch through that cycle.
     
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  4. beyer160

    beyer160 Tele-Afflicted

    Aug 11, 2010
    On Location
    “I always thought a punk was someone who took it up the @$$.” — William S. Burroughs
     
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  5. archiemax

    archiemax Tele-Meister

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    Punks weren't the only ones who hated disco.......I was in a girl-fronted oldies/doo-wop band for six years or so & we did pretty good playing casinos etc etc.....and I made it very clear that we were gonna avoid disco at all costs......and maybe you've heard this one before, but the girl somewhere down the line decided that we were her "backup band" and wanted to slip some Gloria Gaynor, Donna Summer etc into the set list and that was the beginning of the end for me.
     

  6. Slim

    Slim Tele-Holic

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    Didn't all the punks turn into disco? PIL, Big Audio Dynamite, Buster Poindexter, Blondie...

    :p
     
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  7. TeleAndSG

    TeleAndSG Tele-Afflicted

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    I don’t know if the Pistols were 100% pose. Their madness seemed pretty real (and not a fabrication by Malcolm McLaren). But yes, music wise, they sort or imitated The Ramones, who were the first ones to come with “the sound” (I think pretty much everyone inspired by them copied their sound).
     
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  8. TeleAndSG

    TeleAndSG Tele-Afflicted

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    Well, sort of, but it was a very peculiar Disco, and I really doubt it would find its way into the turntables of Studio 54 :lol:
     
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  9. Minimalist518

    Minimalist518 Tele-Holic

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    When a singer introduces you as “my guitarist,” she’s gone diva and it’s time to get outta Dodge!
     
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  10. Minimalist518

    Minimalist518 Tele-Holic

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    I agree. I do think there was genuine, PO’d Punk energy there. Lyndon, IMO, proved himself the real deal with PiL. It’s just that Malcolm draped his artsy pseudo-political veneer over them. “Sing about anarchy, disaffection, urban alienation, blah blah words words.”
    My favorite Pistols story is Malcolm telling them to write a song titled and about submission probably thinking he could move more S&M product at his shop and they delivered a goofy song about a submarine mission. That’s Punk Rock,LOL!
     
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  11. warrent

    warrent Tele-Meister Silver Supporter

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    Well Blondie, Kiss and the stones all went disco for a little while. I really liked punk when it first hit, the ramones, misfits the Dills. (cream called the later urine stained communists) but I always had a soft spot for KC and the sunshine band. I can also remember being at clubs that would play the ramones and then cross fade diana ross and led zeppelin into an extended mix.
     
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  12. 1955

    1955 Poster Extraordinaire

    Apr 10, 2010
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    The way many people behave in groups is fairly similar, but the agreed-upon outfits are REALLY important.
     
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  13. TeleAndSG

    TeleAndSG Tele-Afflicted

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    Ha ha, yes, they made fun out of that request :lol:
     
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  14. TeleAndSG

    TeleAndSG Tele-Afflicted

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    Wow, that was varied.
     

  15. Paul Jenkin

    Paul Jenkin Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    Sorry, I'm not familiar with the acronym "BNWHM". Details please as I'd like to check it out if it's prog....

    Cheers.
     
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  16. Mid Life Crisis

    Mid Life Crisis Friend of Leo's

    Jan 12, 2007
    Cambridge, England
    British New Wave of Heavy Metal (more commonly NWOBHM I think). Bands like Saxon, Motorhead and Iron Maiden.
     
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  17. Paul Jenkin

    Paul Jenkin Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    Thanks for that.

    Bit of a mixed bunch. I've seen most of them on numerous occasions - often as friends of mine have been big fans and I went to gigs with them.

    A lot of them can be a bit "Spinal Tap" when playing live, IMO, but they were all entertaining, even if I never became their biggest fan. I hadn't really considered them as influenced by punk - though I can see the point made.
     
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  18. wulfenganck

    wulfenganck Tele-Meister

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    Hm, I find that whole hate upon disco rather irritating. It's just like every style, there are great songs and there are a lot of....questionable songs.
    "You Sexy Thing" by Hot Chocolate is a great song. As is "Holiday In Cambodia2 by The Dead Kennedys.
    I'd prefer both any time over some pompous Manowar or Toby Keith s***.
    Somebody else might prefer something else, so what?
     
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  19. BradL

    BradL Tele-Afflicted Gold Supporter

    Feb 9, 2009
    Sussex, UK
    I remember it as a fun time with fringe benefits.It annoyed the heck out of my parents and didn't incur the wrath of the local greasers. I bopped to punk songs at the school disco and didn't appreciate the irony. Mebbe it was different elsewhere but I don't remember getting into any arguments or even discussions with my mates about disco. Punk was about doing your own thing.
     

  20. TeleAndSG

    TeleAndSG Tele-Afflicted

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    No, it’s not prog rock. It stands for British New Wave of Heavy Metal, and it refers to British Metal bands, inspired by Judas Priest, Motorhead and Punk, that debuted in the late 70’s-early 80’s and played with faster tempos. The most famous one is Iron Maiden, and while they have certain progressive leanings, I wouldn’t call them prog rock.
     

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