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A chord problems

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Telecasterless, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. Telecasterless

    Telecasterless Tele-Holic

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    Jan 29, 2011
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    I don't know if it's something with my ears, but there has been something very disharmonious to my ears lately about the basic A chord at 2nd fret. I thought it might be my guitar at first, but then I played another guitar at Guitar Center and heard the same thing.

    The issue seems to lie with the D string (E note) in the chord primarily, but obviously it is the combination of notes together. I don't know if it's just that it sounds flat, or just doesn't "ring out" right to my ears. Like it's dull or something.

    Anyone else experience this issue? E Chord, C chord, other chords down in the low positions seem fine, A is just bugging me as sounding out of whack.
     

  2. grooveiron

    grooveiron Tele-Meister Ad Free + Supporter

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  3. src9000

    src9000 Poster Extraordinaire

    You are fretting the b on the a string?
     

  4. Suproman

    Suproman Tele-Meister

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    There's no B note in an A chord...
     

  5. papa32203

    papa32203 Tele-Holic

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    If you are playing B note on the A string, you are not playing an A (major) chord. That would be a 9th of some sort.
    Did I misunderstand?


    Edit: I see you changed horses in the middle of the stream- never mind, then.
     

  6. Telecasterless

    Telecasterless Tele-Holic

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    sorry, I edited that correctly. Don't get thrown off by that
     

  7. AAT65

    AAT65 Tele-Afflicted

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    What fingers do you use? 3 fingers on D, G, B strings and an open top E, or just a barre across the D, G, B strings and either mute the E or play a high A with your pinkie? Does it make a difference if you try one of those other chord fingerings?
    I’m wondering if you are hearing a dissonance in the octave between the two E notes (if you have 2!!).
     

  8. Steve Holt

    Steve Holt Tele-Holic

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    Is the intonation set correctly? What kind of tuner are you using besides a tuning fork ;)
     

  9. Telecasterless

    Telecasterless Tele-Holic

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    It doesn't make a difference if I bar the A or use three fingers to play it.

    I use a Boss Tuner. I was wondering about intonation but the fact that it sounded the same on a different guitar suggested intonation wasn't the problem.
     

  10. GigsbyBoyUK

    GigsbyBoyUK Friend of Leo's

    Apr 30, 2008
    Peterborough, UK
    Maybe squeezing the G string a bit too hard and that's going sharp, so it's making the D string sound odd? Because the D string is wound and the G string is plain (usually) it's often very easy to squeeze the G string too hard, sending it sharp. Just a possibility.
     
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  11. kelnet

    kelnet Telefied Ad Free Member

    Apr 17, 2008
    Port Moody, BC
    How big are your frets?
     

  12. xafinity

    xafinity Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    Say that Kelnet does get personal what?
     
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  13. kelnet

    kelnet Telefied Ad Free Member

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    I'm actually laughing out loud right now. :lol:
     

  14. jhundt

    jhundt Poster Extraordinaire

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    this is a well-known problem with guitar tuning. You can tune the guitar perfectly on the open strings, and you can set your intonation at the 12th fret harmonic exactly right. But the fretted notes on the first five frets will sound off. It is the nature of fretted guitars, though some seem to show it more than others.

    There are tweaks and tricks to minimize the problem, including tuning to frequencies just under or above "correct" (ie electronic tuner) frequency. These are all compromises to try to deal with the inherent problem of tempered tuning.

    There are also hardware solutions, such as the Earvana compensated nut. I have one of these, but I am not really convinced.

    If you play a lot of open cowboy-chords like I do, it can get pretty frustrating. Especially in the studio. A perfectly-tuned guitar will sound terribly out-of-tune unless you tune it for the chords you will be recording.

    EDIT to add: as mentioned above by others, there can also be tuning problems if your nut is not cut correctly, if your frets are too high, and if you hold down the strings too vigorously. But the inherent problem with fret spacing may persist after all these things are corrected.
     

  15. kelnet

    kelnet Telefied Ad Free Member

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    Port Moody, BC
    I played with a guy who bends the strings on open chords as he plays so that they sound in tune.
     

  16. Telecasterless

    Telecasterless Tele-Holic

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    Pretty standard sized, nothing unusual.

    I should really say that I haven't always had this issue with the A chord or the guitar, which is why I am wondering if this is more of an aging/hearing issue and why I am asking if anyone else has experienced this. I don't suspect that it is a physical issue with the guitar per se, except maybe, possibly with tuning or intonation.
     

  17. Mistercharlie

    Mistercharlie Tele-Holic

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  18. Telecasterless

    Telecasterless Tele-Holic

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    Oddly, I find that my ear tuning is much better now as I have gotten older, so I am wondering if I have become more sensitive to the issue of not-perfect intonation?
     

  19. Mistercharlie

    Mistercharlie Tele-Holic

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    Germany
    I have a compensated nut on my guitar and it makes a big difference. Chords sound sweet everywhere.
     

  20. 5ofeight

    5ofeight Tele-Holic Ad Free Member

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    You have a broken finger?.
     
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