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A chambered LPish looking thing

Discussion in 'Tele Home Depot' started by Freeman Keller, Sep 20, 2018.

  1. Honza992

    Honza992 Tele-Meister Silver Supporter

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    Thanks so much for taking the time for such a comprehensive reply. My next build will be set necked!
     
  2. awasson

    awasson Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

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    That doesn’t seem likely. A few posts above @Freeman Keller explains his clear coat for this particular guitar is a water bourne lacquer. It will provide a good finish but it doesn’t melt in like solvent lacquers.
     
  3. Freeman Keller

    Freeman Keller Tele-Holic

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    There is a trick with water born lacquer that helps it to melt in to the previous coats. When I finish spraying for the day and clean my gun with water, I put some alcohol in it and blow it thru the passages. Water will rust some of the internal parts of the gun, water is soluble in DA so that gets it out. I just leave the cup full of the DA, the next day when I'm ready to spray I can use that to check that the gun is working properly, then I just mist the guitar (I've sanded it to 320 or so). Dump the alcohol out, put the KTM-9 in (which might be reduced with DA) and start shooting. The mist coat on top of the sanded surface seems to tack it up slightly. Still, the big problem with these finishes is the tendency to witness lines when you sand thru layers

    This should clean up just fine but I want to give it another day before I start sanding the paper off.
     
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  4. Freeman Keller

    Freeman Keller Tele-Holic

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    OK, back on schedule. Got the paper mess sanded out and about six coats on now. Here is the back

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  5. Lokkochaa

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    Loving the build, looks great. I too spray primarily waterbased. I havent been able to get KTM9 for quite some time now in the UK, i think its a discontinued product. I have used all sorts of finishes and settled on General Finishes at the moment. They dry crystal clear (no blue hue) and are easy to use. I use the high performance, Enduro-Var and their new product Enduro. Cures quicker too, well worth a look.
     
  6. awasson

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    Wow, the grain on the back really pops doesn’t it? What a nice piece of wood you’ve chosen. That’s going to be stunning!
     
  7. Freeman Keller

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    I've lost count of the number of coats or even what day this is. I think its about day 6 so that would mean around 18 coats - I'll shoot a few more over the weekend, then hang it up to cure

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    Looks better without the newspaper stuck in it, eh?
     
  8. Zepfan

    Zepfan Poster Extraordinaire

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    At least the newspaper isn't stuck to it! Looking great and I know your really pumped to have it finished and plugged in.
     
  9. Barncaster

    Barncaster Doctor of Teleocity

    Nah, I thought the print burst was kind of creative.
     
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  10. LeftFinger

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    mod podge

    an old news print add for an original Lester on the back
    so thin you almost see through it

    possibilities :p
     
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  11. dobrojoe

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    It's at this point I usually find out that I've glued the fingerboard going the the wrong direction ;?)

    My respect, sir.
     
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  12. Freeman Keller

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    I've been a good boy, the guitar has hung quietly in the corner while I started another project. Its been two weeks, its out gassed and cross linked and done about everything else its supposed to, so lets put the tele on the back burner and get back to this thing.

    Started wet sanding at 800 and just went up thru the grirts, finished with medium and fine compound.

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    I have both a cheap wheel and foam pads, there are advantages to each

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    Here is the top and back

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  13. oldrebel

    oldrebel Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

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    That looks great!!
     
  14. awasson

    awasson Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

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    That is beautiful Freeman.

    It’s rememiscent of the special Les Paul’s that Gibson showed at Namm back in 1979 or 1980. I think it was a special heritage edition and they had highly figured tops. They may have been walnut or something but they had that same burled and beautiful look. I’m really impressed at how lovely the top is. I really have taken a shine to the natural looking mahogany body too.

    What a work of art! So glad to see how it’s turned out. Really inspiring.
     
  15. Engraver-60

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    WOW, That's one fine looking instrument. Can't wait to hear how it sounds.
     
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  17. Freeman Keller

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    Leveled and dressed the frets.

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    Built a little jig to do the wiring.

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    Stuffed it in the body.

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    Installed all the hardware

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  18. Freeman Keller

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    One minor comment. I like to play two humbuckers with the switch in the middle and just blend them together so I do that little wiring trick where if you turn one all the way off it doesn't kill the other (like standard LP wiring does).
     
  19. Freeman Keller

    Freeman Keller Tele-Holic

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    Before this thread disappears into the great thread void I thought I would post a brief summary. When I started this I showed a picture of my personal LP clone, that is and will remain my go to electric guitar. Here is the new one along with it (and an old Gibson amp)

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    One of the big questions all along is whether chambering a solid body guitar makes any difference. Well, in one respect, it makes a heck of a difference. The solid one weighs 9 pounds 3 ounces, the chambered one is 7 lb 10. That is a full pound and a half difference and which is huge. And I didn't try real hard to maximize the amount of wood removed - the chambered tele that I'm building right now is almost two pounds lighter.

    Does it make any difference in sound? This is actually a good test. As most of you know, everyone has opinions about what makes a guitar sound the way it does - and you can find long "discussions" about the affects of every minor detail about a guitar's construction. Internet experts love to argue over tone wood and construction methods and what they hear from one guitar to the next. So this should be interesting. These guitars are identical with two exceptions. They are both exactly the same size, scale, body and neck woods (mahogany), and very importantly, they have identically the same pickups and electronics. The big differences is that the top on the one on the left is bigleaf maple (density 34 lb/ft3) and the new one is Spanish cedar (density 29 lb/ft3) and that the new one is chambered (1-1/2 pound of air).

    OK, guitar experts - what does that mean? Should the hollow one be more "resonant" or less? Should it have more "sustain" or less? Should the sound be more complex, have a different ratio of partials to the fundimental frequency, sound bluesier or warm or cold or......? If I look at a note in the time domain what will I see? What if I compare in the frequency domain? Come on, guys, what will the difference be?

    Well, three of us sat down the other night with some nice hoppy adult beverages ( a couple of us are home brewers so factor that into the discussion). We plugged both guitars into an ABY switch into a little boutique amp (a Quilter Mach 2), no effects, set everything flat on the amp and maxed the tone pots on the guitars. Same pick, same strings, same players - we handed the guitars back and forth and back again, switched the switches, played our own individual styles, opened another IPA and did it all again.

    Guess what. We think we can hear a difference. Maybe. Then again, maybe not. But ask each of us to describe the difference, well, sure, this one is warmer, or more complex or has more sustain, or then again, maybe not. I like this one better until I play that one, then, give me the first one again. Damn.

    I even put a mic in front of the amp and recorded a couple of the guitars being passed back and forth. Going back and listening to them, damn, they sound pretty good. I'd be happy to post those clips but I don't have access to a hosting website anymore and its honestly too much work just for this thread. I'd be happy to send them to anyone who might be interested.

    Short story, they are both great sounding guitars (I blame that on the pups), I would be very happy with either of them. One of my friends kind of bonded with the new one, its going to follow him home.
     
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  20. Freeman Keller

    Freeman Keller Tele-Holic

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    In case anyone cares I keep a spreadsheet of the costs of most of my guitars. The materials for this one were $895 (if anyone wants a breakdown I can supply it). I've got a TKL case on order for $130 so the total will be just over a grand. The flamed Spanish cedar top was $200 - I've got another piece down in the basement in case I decide that I really do need one for my own.

    Before I let it go I took a few porn shots

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    Thank you to everyone who commented or liked this, now you can go back to your regularly scheduled telecasters
     
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