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Discussion in 'Telecaster Discussion Forum' started by bluemoon, Jul 21, 2010.
Can someone tell me the pros and cons of both solutions
For what type of guitar/pickups?
52 Reissue...stock pickups...modern wiring.
I ask because I only have experience with '50s style wiring on Les Pauls. In that context, it's a certain way of wiring the pots and caps such that treble is retained as you turn down the volume knob. Basically you move the cap to the center lug of the volume pot. I wire my Les Pauls that way, it's a huge usability factor for me.
Treble bleed circuits are different, they are small circuits connected across the pots lugs. In my experience, they don't sound natural to my ears as you turn the volume down.
'50s wiring was a Godsend for me, as I control my sound from the guitar's knobs almost exclusively (no pedals). A quick search found this:
Hope this helps.
Actually, the cap still goes to ground. The tone pot is wired to the output lug of the volume pot instead of the input lug.
Here's the diagram I use. I've done the same thing for a two-humbucker guitar with a 5-way super switch, one vol + one tone, and it works just like a Les Paul, response-wise. I've never tried the same thing on a Tele.
I should note that one downside (for some) is that the interaction between the tone pot and the volume pots changes, and becomes somewhat non-liniear. For some that ride the tone pot a lot, they find the response of the modern wiring better suited to them.
Oh. OK, that's different than the one in the link you provided.
Yes, I just noticed that, too. Does anyone have a diagram for a Tele version? I essentially just wired my one vol, one tone guitar as one "branch" of the LP.
Here you go:
They're both doing the exact same thing. In this diagram the tone cap comes before the tone pot, whereas in the first diagram the pot comes first in series. A tone control is an RC network (Resistor-Capacitor), and for all intents and purposes the order of the capacitor and resistor doesn't really matter.
If you're modding a stock tele, just use the first diagram, as it involves moving only one wire. You may notice a slight attenuation of bass with the change. It's subtle, but it's there.
Thanks, I see it now. Hell, I have a degree in electrical engineering and I still get confused! I've seen so many Les Pauls wired according to my diagram, it's just habit to look for the cap location.
Interesting you say bass attenuation, LP players typically report modern wiring as being "brighter" when the vol pots are wide open.
Are you joking, or are you being serious?
Thanks guys! My tele had a treble bleed cap; anytime I turned the volume down it lost all bass and was super bright. I just removed the cap and converted it to the 50's wiring. Now my volume pot is usable again!
I have tried this wiring in my Tele and I couldn't stand the short usable range of the volume pot, which had made me to immediately get back to the modern wiring.
In my Tele assembling project I decided not to use a treble bleeder circuit in opposition to what I have in my Strat and after the unsucessful use of the 50's wiring in it I came to the conclusion that even losing some highs when backing off the volume, this can be quite useful for a Tele that usually has a fair amount of highs. YMMV.
I use this but still lose loads of treble when I turn my guitar down.
What value cap do you have ?? Is that when you have the tone down some or when wide open ?
A .001 pF across the vol. pot terminals (the lower two in your diagram) might be better for you. Treble bypass mod.
I have a .047 in there as it's a Fat Tele.
Yes it dulls the treble (really, the whole sound) even with the tone knob al lthe way up.
My Hot rod tele sounds fine with the volume wide open, but gets really dull quick with the slightest turn of the volume knob. Should I go 50's wiring or treble bleed mod? If treble bleed is the answer, what values (cap resistor) should I go with for the treble bleed on this guitar? It uses 375k pots.
I never could use the volume or tone controls on my tele (or any guitar) since it just went to 'mud' IMO. I tried treble bleed caps twice and each time removed them after a few gigs. It 'worked'....but I still wasn't thrilled with the sound with the volume rolled off. Just seemed thin.
A year or so ago, thanks to this place, I learned the '50s mod and I'm thrilled with it. For the first time ever I can actually use the volume and tone controls. It's opened up my guitars.
So the '50s mod get my vote.
BTW...I use lower value Orange Drop caps too. Gives me useable tones right across the tone control sweep.
That's what the "Fuzz Parka" should cure, AKA, 50's mod like TG.
If you what to try the treble bleed, try a .001 pF (cap only)
1. I'd suggest trying the 50's wiring first. If that doesn't work for you....
2. Take a 680pf capacitor and a 220K resistor and wire them in parallel with each other. Install the cap & resistor across the volume pot high side and wiper.
Don't do both 1 & 2 together. I did on my MIM Tele yesterday and it was not a pretty sound. The 50's wiring was just right all by itself.
Horses for courses.