2 guitar band

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  1. ce24

    ce24 Poster Extraordinaire

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    How do you guys who play in bands with 2 guitars separate yourselves in a live mix?
    One use neck and other use bridge pups? Try and have HB and the other single coil? Or pretty much just tone control.... One brighter than the other....
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    We play different parts.
     
  3. WetBandit

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    Way I've always done it jamming with a friend is using different amps and thus different EQ...

    For example my sound would emphasize high mids where his would emphasize lower mids...

    We always wound up with a very full rich sound that way, that didn't encroach on any other instruments sonic territory...

    And playing opposite yet interwoven parts is also helpful rather than harmonizing all the time.

    If you are just going direct in, just slap an EQ pedal in one or the others chain, just to slightly shift the EQ to fill out the gaps the other is lacking or isnt occupying.


    That's my 2 cents.... and it probably ain't worth much.
     
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  4. PastorJay

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    Different pickups. Single v humbuckers.
    Different amps. Fender (Tweed v. BF/SF), Marshall, Ampeg, Vox.
    Play different stuff. Chords v. fills, first five frets v. above that on the neck.

    These all work.

    Guitars can take up a lot of room in term of frequencies. it takes effort to avoid a wall of sound.

    I sometimes avoid the problem by playing harmonica or mandolin. :)
     
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  5. AAT65

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    We have 3 guitars...
    • 1 acoustic — generally just thickens the sound without standing out except when we shut up...
    • 1 Les Paul
    • 1 Telecaster or Jazzmaster (that’s me)
    We do play different stuff, when we can — I have a capo on VII sometimes for instance to get different voicing, and Mr LP solos here and there... But the guitars do have quite different tone so there isn’t too much difficulty hearing separate guitars.
     
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    It's more about what part you are playing than tone IME.
     
  7. Charlie Bernstein

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    No rules. We just pay attention to each other and try to stay out of each other's way.
     
  8. SixStringSlinger

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    Everyone so far has pretty much hit on it. What you play is different from what the other plays in any/all ways it could possibly be different. Unless/until you want to go for a unified, wall-of-sound thing. And even then your tone (or whatever else) should be different enough to make two guitars playing it different from one guitar playing it.

    Keef's "weaving" metaphor with Ron Wood gets quoted a lot and may sound wishy-washy, but it's the same general point.
     
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    Once you add mics and a PA to the equation in a live situation, it can get muddy if you're not careful. One technique that I've seen used is for both guitarists to use a Boss GE-7 (or similar) EQ pedal, where each guitarist sawtooths the pedal in an opposite configuration... Guitar 1 is full up/down/up/down... and Guitar 2 is full down/up/down/up... I've never tried that myself though, but a guitarist friend of mine claimed that it worked pretty well for them.

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    This X 100
     
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    another way

     
  12. Alamo

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    Pretty much all of that in our band.
    Humbucker vs. Single coils
    Silverface vs. tweed
    Standard vs open tuning
    brighter vs darker tones
    no doubling, not playing the exact same in rhythm and chords, unless it's called for.
    no soloing over the others solo, unless it's called for.
    stay out the way of each other.

    then there's the singer with an acoustic guitar too. ;)
     
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    +1 what Scout 2112 and shmee have said.
    I try to play chords in other positions on the neck whenever possible, and staying out of each other's
    way.
     
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    They key to any set up live is to listen carefully to what everyone else is doing. Live music for me is just as much about open space than it is filling space. Both are important for good dynamics and balance.
     
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    In my band we play different parts and generally don't double up - if there isn't an obvious second part or a need for a "guitar wall" one of us just stops playing.
     
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    as SixsStringSlinger mentioned above: listen to Keith Richards. Why do you have to separate the guitars? Are you worried that someone in the audience will think that you are playing something that the other guy is playing?

    It's not about "YOU vs. THE OTHER GUY". It's about you and the other guy playing together. If your parts sound so good together that you can't tell who is playing what - you have achieved something very special.
     
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  17. schmee

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    I miss 2 guitars, at least with the right person. Haven't done it for years though. Sammy and I used to do things like the piano intro to this one, but on 2 guitars in harmony instead of piano . It was killer!
     
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    Yeah, shutting up for a verse and then coming back in can add a lot of punch to a tune.
     
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    PS - Anyhow, everyone does it differently. Compare Dicky and Duane to Jerry and Bob to Keith and Ronnie.

    So I don't think there's a right way. It just takes practice. Work at it, and it'll sound good.
     
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  20. Gigante_Miguel

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    in my band I play mostly rhythm and our other guitarist plays mostly lead, so the actual thing we play are different parts of the song. We use different guitar, amp and pedal combos and our sounds are pretty distinct from one and other. We also have learned when to step back and let the other guy be heard.
     
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