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“It’s Time to Destroy the Legend of Brian Wilson”

Discussion in 'Music to Your Ears' started by omahaaudio, Aug 11, 2016.

  1. LaserCoyote

    LaserCoyote TDPRI Member

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    Aug 8, 2016
    Arkansas
    Nope. The difference is the remaining guys never could put together a Dark Side or a Power, Corruption, & Lies. Yeah, they're great musicians. That said, no one stepped up and filled Brian's shoes.
     
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  2. PacificaChris

    PacificaChris Tele-Meister Silver Supporter

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    Jul 1, 2014
    Pacifica
    A friend of mine toured with the Beach Boys. Mike Love is not a nice man.
     

  3. Rufus

    Rufus Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 13, 2004
    NW Atlanta
    The Beach Boys, along with and in competition with the Beatles, musically defined their times.
    Because Brian Wilson could not or did not endlessly go on creating pop hits, after 1967, then their legacy is tarnished?

    B*llsh#t

    The other Beach Boys were talented indeed, but it was the sum total of Brian's writing and equally importantly, his studio production that set him head and shoulders above the rest. (As talented as they were, the Beatles had George Martin to turn to for help/advice. Brian had only himself and the inspiration of a faded Phil Spector.)

    Capitol records had a gold mine from 1962-1966 using the Brian Wilson-led Beach Boys model. Of course they were reluctant to deviate from the successful model. the other BBs put out solo efforts that were commendable but hardly proved themselves to be chart topping hit makers.
    Is it any wonder that they kept hoping for a return of Brian?

    When it didn't happen, they fell easily (and lazily) into the role of nostalgic party band that was content to collect their hefty paychecks playing music from theirs (and Brian's) glory days.

    And I can't blame them. Can anyone (other than the always egotistical Mike Love) claim to be on Brian's level?

    Better to be a has-been than a never-was.
     

  4. Stingfan73

    Stingfan73 Tele-Afflicted

    May 9, 2012
    The East Coast
    Way too much I disagree with but to say the "legend of Brian Wilson" is neither all positive or negative, and that's no breaking news to anyone who followed the history of Wilson or The Beach Boys. This author adds nothing, positively nothing of substance to the discussion of the "legend" that hasn't already been discussed in far greater depth and detail, with both more criticism and also more love.

    Meh.
     
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  5. soulman969

    soulman969 Telefied Ad Free Member

    Mar 20, 2011
    Englewood, CO
    Well one person who is NOT the Beach Boys and never has been is Mike Love. He's simply the chief stockholder and probably the least talented of any of them.
     

  6. boris bubbanov

    boris bubbanov Telefied Ad Free Member

    This Sommers guy just taught me a valuable lesson. I have been giving Roger Waters a hard time for most of my life. I just don't care for the dark, menacing direction he took "Syd's Band". But he's still a very capable and talented writer and performer.

    Mike Love (who has been getting the same treatment from me for about the same length of time) is a silly buffoon. Who could not polish Waters' boots. Shame on me for criticizing Roger Waters all this time. Mr. Waters, I humbly apologize to you. I had no business treating you in any way like Mike Love. I may have artistic differences with you but you, Sir, deserved my respect and I withheld it. I screwed up and now I can see it.

    From now on I'm gathering my disrespect and directing it where it belongs. On Mike Love. A cretin who falls lower, the more we learn of him. I remember the teasing on one of the early LPs (All Summer Long?) where Mike's nasally singing is put down - had he not been family (what more need I say?)

    I was just listening to Pacific Ocean Blue and Bambu just 36 hours ago. But beloved Dennis, and Al - even Carl, can't hold a candle to Brian. Even though I idolize Syd, there's no way in the world I would elevate him to even approaching Brian Wilson. This Sommers guy is just not able to see the Pinnacle of Genius - I feel sorry for him.

    +

    I remember that season when the Beach Boys stopped being "cool" among my circle of friends. I remember it bothered me at the time, so I went back about ten years later and asked my buddies what it was about the Beach Boys they had fallen out with. And, without exception, they all said they couldn't deal with how creepy Mike Love seemed to them - one guy said it was like a band with someone's goofy Grandfather grafted onto it. Several other contemporary bands (The Who, The Stones) made a clean transition into The Decade of the 1970s. The reason that the Beach Boys struggled was very obvious. Mike Love was radioactive.
     
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  7. KyAnne

    KyAnne Tele-Holic

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    Oct 8, 2011
    Swamps of Louisiana
    Since I was 8 years old in the early 60's, I haven't met many people that didn't want to slap the **** out of Mike Love.
     
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  8. maxvintage

    maxvintage Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

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    Mar 16, 2003
    Arlington, VA
    I'm just tired of hearing about Brian Wilson. I'm tired of hearing those same damn song all the time. I'm tired of endless accounts of how wonderful they are. Though I'm a baby boomer geezer, I sick and tired of baby boomer geezer nostalgia. Oh pleas, please tell me again about the beatles on Ed Sullivan

    this is what pop culture does--it takes anything good and then through soul-killing repetition, renders it irritating and banal and trite. The best of anything in the world--food, drink, sex, good weather-- is ruined by mindless repetition. Good vibrations is one of those songs I hope never to hear again. but i try to cultivate a Buddhist approach: when it comes on the radio, or in a store, or a parking garage, or a commercial, I try to mediate on it, and so free myself of the desire that it never be played for, say, twenty years. let other people have a chance

    So I'm not down with the argument, because it's yet another piece of verbiage about the greatness of the music you lost your virginity to.
     
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  9. bobsway

    bobsway Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 25, 2012
    Erie, Pa, USA
    The BB's were certainly a fascinating mix of genious, nerdiness, dysfunction, hippy-ness, nosalgia, stagecraft, weirdness, pathos, commercialism, Americana, and much more.
    But I still love them SO!!
    (I harbor a similar attitude towards the Kinks, minus the nerdiness and Americana of course.)
    Mike Love...? Too bad he wasn't the one to take a swim at Marina del Ray in '83.
     
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  10. Jim W

    Jim W Friend of Leo's

    Mar 17, 2003
    Dennis Wilson's solo album(s) is really good. - his songs on Sunflower and Surfs Up are excellent.
     

  11. ArivacaCharlie

    ArivacaCharlie TDPRI Member

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    Apr 26, 2016
    Gillette, Wy
    Mike Love? Nah, I don't think so.
    The Beach Boys were iconic in that they continued the tradition of great harmonies, a la Jan and Dean.
    Just my opinion, they were talented but never a powerhouse of creative excellence. If Pet Sounds was indeed their masterpiece, it seems very average when compared to anything their competitors created.......certainly no better than the average Moody Blues album even.
    Their music has held up, I'll give them that. I still pull out Pet Sounds or Good Vibrations on rare occasions.
     
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  12. Stingfan73

    Stingfan73 Tele-Afflicted

    May 9, 2012
    The East Coast
    Mike Love seems to not have much of a brain to mouth filter mechanism. Sometimes that makes for incredibly funny comedic moments and brilliant timing, and sometimes its foot in mouth disease with completely inappropriate and ill-timed commentary:

    On "Beach Boys 69" live album, it was apparently raining during the show. Mike throws out something to the effect of "Having so much fun we'll ring it out of our socks." That's brilliant.

    I've also heard reference of Mike making some caustic remarks or intoning something sexual or inebriated (both as efforts at humor) in a live show that seemed out of line with the increasingly "family oriented" nature of Beach Boys shows as they matured from the early 1960s shows into the 1970s shows, and 1980s shows as "America's Band". That's not brilliant.
     

  13. pondcaster

    pondcaster Friend of Leo's

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    Nov 29, 2010
    Tryon, NC
    Without a doubt the most overrated band in the history of music. Pure pablum.

    IMO, of course.
     
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  14. adeiderich

    adeiderich Tele-Afflicted

    Jan 14, 2011
    Medina, Ohio
    My take on Mike Love..... although he has plenty of credits in authoring Beach Boys songs, in the public eye, he has always taken a back seat to the "Legend of Brian Wilson." That hurts Mike's feelings and he expresses those hurt feelings in funny ways.
    That's just a cruel and unnecessary remark!
     

  15. E5RSY

    E5RSY Poster Extraordinaire

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    Mar 5, 2009
    Georgetown, TX
    Sheesh, that article was so weakly executed it doesn't even deserve half the response it has received here. It was so over the top I almost thought it was a humor piece. But, the author cursed a lot, so he must be right. At least, that's what convinced me. :rolleyes:

    Scott
     

  16. Stingfan73

    Stingfan73 Tele-Afflicted

    May 9, 2012
    The East Coast
    There's been a seque, clearly, from talking about the article, to Mike Love and The Beach Boys, themselves.
     

  17. oldgofaster

    oldgofaster Tele-Meister

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    Dec 28, 2010
    Ohio
    tried to read it....they have ruined the internet...so many videos and ads that after 2 minutes waiting for the page to fully load...I'm outa there.
     
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  18. Jack S

    Jack S Friend of Leo's

    Sep 25, 2008
    Berwyn, IL
    Mike Love must have used a pseudonym when he wrote this piece. If he wanted out from under the mighty umbrella of Brian Wilson's legacy, he should have taken it somewhere else. He wrote a few decent songs, but the harmonic character of the group was already defined for him from Brian's sense of arrangement that carried through in general form into later Beach Boys work. It was Mike who created the division and legally seized the name Beach Boys, so he made his own bed.
     
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  19. Jack S

    Jack S Friend of Leo's

    Sep 25, 2008
    Berwyn, IL
    Jan and Dean achieved commercial success once they met Brian Wilson who helped them find their sound and niche.
     
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