New Forum For Churchplayers

[Tom A.]

Isn't this cool. We have our own forum to discuss playing our Tele's in church. Thanks Paul, we really appreciate it.
:D
Tom

[MLT]

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[Tom A.]

OK MTL. I will have to admit it, I have a Strat and I have played it at church, boy do I feel better now.

Tom

[tom grossheider]

Hmmm, our own little room to go to so that we can keep it off the main board? Sorry for my cynicism folks.
But glad that there is a place.

[PraiseCaster]

...... and I can be cynical at times too, but, I believe that Paul did have our best interests at heart. How? He created this lil forum where we who are Tele (and Strat) playin beleivers can discuss topics a little more freely without rockin the boat with those who might find it offensive, to where they may complain, and then Paul has to ask us to "tone it down", so as not to offend others.

Hey, I'm one that wears the moniker "Jesus Freak" like a Badge Of Honor! But, we do have to remember, this is a Telecaster discussion page, not Theology 101.

Also it does make sense: if we got an amp question, we would go to Amp Central Station for the best info. If we had a Strat topic, we would go to Stratocaster discussion page.

I dont realy think it's a way to hide us in the basement. Like I said before, I think Paul does have our best interests at heart (imho).

I think I'm gonna enjoy this lil forum, what about all of you?

!

[DADGAD]

The board rules say , "no religion, politics, etc" I'm sure it's to prevent flame wars and ill-will. This does happen on other boards. However, Paul is sensitive to the reality that many musicians perform in their churches & temples. So, hats off, and a note of thanks, to him.

Gary

[JDO]

Tom Grossheider i think i'm with you. sorry for being a complainer.

PraiseCaster said ... and I can be cynical at times too, but, I believe that Paul did have our best interests at heart. How? He created this lil forum where we who are Tele (and Strat) playin beleivers can discuss topics a little more freely without rockin the boat with those who might find it offensive, to where they may complain, and then Paul has to ask us to "tone it down", so as not to offend others.

i guess i didn't get the difference in asking about advice on an amp for a small club and a church building. how is it offensive that i play in church. if that's the case, it's offensive to me that people play in a bar. if someone has a post about how they got completely drunk and played their best show, rather than getting "offended", i just won't read it. i don't see where that's so hard.

But, we do have to remember, this is a Telecaster discussion page, not Theology 101.

yeah, and i play a tele. i just happen to play it in church. it's still got six strings on it. i still have to learn songs like everyone else. i still have to contend with sound guys like people in a club. not really seeing the difference here.

I dont realy think it's a way to hide us in the basement.

i wish i could feel that way. i've decided i just can't visit this forum anymore. it makes me kinda mad. i'm down with the rest of the board, but for some reason i just keep thinking "grow some stinkin' skin" if it offends you that i play in church. maybe i am completely missing the boat on this but that's how i feel. and i just wanted to rant a little. sorry.

DADGAD ... The board rules say , "no religion, politics, etc" I'm sure it's to prevent flame wars and ill-will.

once again, i'm not converting anyone when i say, "hey, i'm looking for an amp. i play in church and the room seats about 160 people. can someone guide me to an amp that will do a great job?" it would be one thing if i'm trying to preach the gospel or something.

don't get me wrong. i'm super thankful to paul for what he does. i've learn a ton of stuff from this board. and i plan to keep learning. there are great people willing to help out with all sorts of questions. it's just an absolutely wonderful place to be. and i would be sad if for some reason it was ever shut down. but this one thing bugs me. so i'm going to do what i think everyone should do. since this forum bugs me, i just won't look. i'll pretend it's not here.

have a great day.

[Spanky]

JDO---you let the "enemy" win when you use that reasoning !
In the gospel of John it says we are "in the world,but not of this world"
If we refuse to participate because we "feel segregated" we are just letting the Devil keep us apart
You're biting off your nose to spite your face brother--------hang in there---resist--and let it work for you and us !

[PraiseCaster]

....cause it is just my humble opinion, but I believe as I said before, that Paul created this forum for us that are of Faith, and play in Church (or dont, or aspire too), and play a Tele (yes, and those that play a Strat too).

My opinion here, but I believe Paul is trying to be sensitive to our needs to be able to talk a lil more freely here, so we can support, encourage, and at times console one another, without starting a 'flame war' on the main topic page.

My opinion again, but I believe I may be part of the reason why Paul created "Sunday Morning Superstars":

Last Christmas, I wished everyone a Merry Christmas, and shared my Hope and Wish to them and their Families. I'm not gonna recite it right now, but I dont think I overstepped, (I think Paul felt I was 'toeing the line' pretty heavy, but I didnt cross it) but some felt that I did, and it started a mini 'flame war'.

I recieved some nice Emails from some of the members. One (who stated that he did not believe as I do) even apologized for the comments of others!

I did recieve an Email from Paul too. It was a nice Email. He did not come off as "anti" anything. He just expressed that this topic can set off a 'flame war', and as webmaster, he doesnt want to see that happen. Yes, he asked me to "tone it down" so as not to offend others of different faith, or non-faith. He said that this was a Telecaster Discussion Page, not Theology 101 (yeah, I plaigerized Paul), and that sort of topic would be better in a forum where that is expected to be a topic of discussion.

Seeing as I am a guest on this Telecaster web page, I have no problem with abiding by his rules. He did not tell me to not mention anything related to my Faith; I still, in even the main topic page (as well as Amp Central), talk about playing at church, and I'll mention Christian Artist's that I'm listening too.

But, the point is, and it is just my humble opinion, that Paul created this lil forum, where we can talk a lil more freely about God, Church, Praise and Worship, and Telecasters! Yes, it's a way that we arent steppin on other peoples toes as some may put it, but it's also a way that we can sorta fellowship together, and that's what Paul Created here, a way for us to come together here!

Also, just to let you know, I will sometimes post the same question on two, or three forums. Why? Cause some members only go to certain forums, and I may not get the answer I'm lookin for. So, I may ask you all here an amp question, but I'll most likely ask the same question (and yes, I'll say I'm playing in Church) over in Amp Central. It's not saying you all arent going to give me the answer I need (most likely you will, cause you all play in Church!), but I believe in getting as much 'council' on a topic as possible, so I can make an informed decission.

Hopefully you havent given up on this forum yet JDO. Cause I'm of the opinion that it will be a good forum for those of us that play in Church, those that aspire too, and those that dont, but share our faith, and love of the Telecaster. I really hope that your here with us all on this journey.

[PraiseCaster]

I'm such a dork!

[Tim Swartz]

I too am grateful for this forum. There are unique challenges encountered in a contempory praise/worship environment, and it is great to have a place to address them.

[davidmenke]

I enjoy using all the forums... I do like the tele page to be about Tele's..
This page does allow the Christian folks to talk about church Issues,,, amps tele's strat's acoustic guitars, and some of the most wonderfull christian men and women who attempt to be soundpeople, but sorry to say, clueless; but that may be the ministry they are in.. (just a poke to keep it light)
Hope all the people here enjoy it!

[JDO]

ok, i'll try and take these replies to what i said and try and explain myself a little more clearly. and i'm not trying to be BOB here. i didn't post something trollish, say i wasn't coming back and then check to see how many people i upset. i recieved a pm from praisecaster to take a look at his reply. thanks for sending me the pm praisecaster.

also, i started to reply to all the responses in one post and it was getting quite long so i've tried to break them up.

Spanky wrote

JDO---you let the "enemy" win when you use that reasoning! In the gospel of John it says we are "in the world,but not of this world." If we refuse to participate because we "feel segregated" we are just letting the Devil keep us apart. You're biting off your nose to spite your face brother--------hang in there---resist--and let it work for you and us!

see, i think i'm saying what you're saying but with a different meaning. i believe we are supposed to be in the world and not of it - and that's one of the reasons i don't like this forum. how are we in the world when we have our own little "ghetto"? we're not in it at all. we're in ourselves.

and my reason for deciding not to visit this particular forum of the overall board wasn't an "i'll show him" thing. For the most part, i was looking out for myself. when i would visit here i would just get mad and start making judgments and thinking things that weren't benificial (not that i was thinking of taking a hit out on anyone - simply my anger was getting the better of me).

i believe that if something is either causing someone sin (or on the verge of that) then they should remove themselves from the situation. Jesus (J) said that if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. it's better to enter heaven missing a hand then to go to hell with your whole body. yeah, i know this forum could be of some use to me, but is it worth it if i just get angry when i visit?

why do i get angry? read on and i'll tell you.

[JDO]

PraiseCaster wrote ...

JDO, I'd like to encourage you to stay

thanks

My opinion again, but I believe I may be part of the reason why Paul created "Sunday Morning Superstars." Last Christmas, I wished everyone a Merry Christmas, and shared my Hope and Wish to them and their Families....

yeah i saw that. i thought it was great. not as a christian but as someone who has grown up in america celibrating christmas – and i didn’t grow up in a christian family so it’s not like i celebrated by going to church or anything. but you have to live in a bubble to not know that the majority of america believes that christmas comes from celebrating the birth of J. i never went to church and I knew that.

i couldn’t believe the stink that some people made over it. so you don’t like J. yeah you’re going to be stunned on judgment day but move on. do they stop everyone on the street when they mention it? do they egg houses that have manger scenes? They simply move on, which is what they should have done in this case too.

i was reading the thread where the guy from finland bought some sort of goat wood tele body. one of the guys wrote “I always finish my beers”. do i drink? no. does what he said have anything to do with the subject? no. are there people on this board that don’t drink? yes. are there some that have even had family members or close friends end up in bad states because of it, and therefor don’t even like to talk about it? yes. (i have a brother that could die in the next year because he has saturated his liver with alchohol – he’s 42. my sister is disabled because of her alcoholic boyfriend beating the snot out of her. he was killed while drunk by cops when i was in college.) but, have a made a stink about anyone mentioning beer? just here, and only for a point. i’m grown up enough to move on and ignore it.

in the light of what one of the posters said in the section that talk about, i see some inconsistences. one of them pointed out that we aren’t supposed to have commerical links on this page or to use this board to sell anything. yet we’re allowed to post that we’re selling something on ebay and there are always links to web sites. there's a guy now that has as his signature "selling a 2x12 cab for $200.00" and a link to the page. haven't heard anything said to him. just a little incosistnet to me.

i’m not anti Paul. keep this in mind as you read all of this. i also realize his job isn't easy. there are a lot of people posting and there's no way he can cencor everything. i’ve very thankful for him and this community.

Hopefully you havent given up on this forum yet JDO. Cause I'm of the opinion that it will be a good forum for those of us that play in Church, those that aspire too, and those that dont, but share our faith, and love of the Telecaster. I really hope that your here with us all on this journey.

it could be a good forum. and i might be able to come around and use it and enjoy it. right now i can't. i've already covered it so i won't go into it again.

thank though.

[JDO]

Tim Swartz wrote…

I too am grateful for this forum. There are unique challenges encountered in a contempory praise/worship environment, and it is great to have a place to address them.

the thing is, i browsed the thread topics. there is only one that i saw where it might not fit in any of the already created forums.

What is your favorite Praise & Worship song?
Telecaster Dicussion Page Reissue – just title it Favorite song.

Praise & Worship
Maybe this forum – this is kind of unique to church players. But, it’s a sound issue. Other people talk about their sound problems and such on other forums. Not seeing the main difference.

Poll: Favorite Contemporary (or not) Christian Artist
Telecaster Descussion Page Reissue – the same thing i said about favorite song. if someone asks what my favorite song is, i’m going to tell them. if it happens to be praise and worship at the time, i’m not going to lie.

Tele hum problem @ church: HELP!
Tele-Tech – is it a different hum, a special hum that has to be discussed here because it happens at church?

Playing well with others?
Telecaster Descussion Page Reissue or Bad Dog Café – this isn’t unique to church players.

Question from Denmark
Bad Dog Café – but I can see how this fits here nicely.

Tried a new amp rig yesterday…
Amp Central or Telecaster Discussion Page Reissue

Church guitarists: getting pushed out of the mix at the board
Bad Dog Café or Telecaster Discussion Page Reissue

Out of it…
Bad Dog Café – but I can see how this fits here.

Big bummer, All Together Separate has broken up!
Bad Dog Café – but I can see how this fits here.

my point is all of this is our topics aren't really unique. what's unique about us is J but tele's and music is what this thing is all about. we don't have a forum for those that play outdoor gigs. that precents unique situations. we don't have a forum for those that play in bars. we don't have a forum for those that play in bars with two floors.

[tom grossheider]

Hang in there JDO. Sorry if I sounded like a complainer myself. My sense is that although there are unique issues with playing in church, we should NOT feel like we are locked in here at all, which is probably what I was feeling at the time. We must get out there and rub elbows in the other forums, and be SALT and LIGHT! In here we can congregate and share, but our focus can't be in here. I see pretty much everyone in the other forums already, so let's take what we can get, a nice play to address our unique situations and go from there. Build friendships and relationships for the long haul. Thanks Paul.

[maryjane]

hi all, i'm new here. my name is maryjane.
does anyone on the board worship maya, satan, or janus?
i'm trying to a little research about the belief systems that
currently exist and those that are evolving as they create
their own specialized style of music. grateful for any reply.

[guit30]

Hi Maryjane,
I worship the Creator of the Universe, Jesus Christ!!!!, He is The Holy One, He is the Mighty One!
Who do you worship?
Jim