First Tele, First Build - Page 2

Taipan · March 1st, 2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhansen25

I should be working on this project for my wife

Someone is going be in the dog house with the wife..... You should be working on her project but you spend the day working on your neck.....fer shame on ya !

Bhansen25 · March 1st, 2008, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taipan

Someone is going be in the dog house with the wife..... You should be working on her project but you spend the day working on your neck.....fer shame on ya !

Yep. You got that right.

The story of my life

spicolli · March 2nd, 2008, 01:32 AM

might be a cheap part to replace and have a spare dremel tool around? they are really handy tools for so many things. i use mine just about everyday for something i got going on.

jwells393 · March 2nd, 2008, 10:51 AM

Wow ............... very impressive for a first build ........... or any build. Unlike myself you jump right into uncharted waters. You've done a great job of documenting your progress. Very impressive indeed.

Bhansen25 · March 3rd, 2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jwells393

Wow ............... very impressive for a first build ........... or any build. Unlike myself you jump right into uncharted waters. You've done a great job of documenting your progress. Very impressive indeed.

You're too kind.

I'm having a blast.

I guess I am about ready to start finishing them now.

Virgin terrritory.

Trimmed&Burnin · March 3rd, 2008, 07:04 PM

Nice job indeed!! I have never seen a first time build look so well orginized and professional.
But remember,,, happy wife, happy life! That piece of furniture will go a long way my friend!!

Bhansen25 · March 3rd, 2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trimmed&Burnin

...remember,,, happy wife, happy life! That piece of furniture will go a long way my friend!!

Good point. Very good point. Words to live by.

Heeding y'alls advice, I did a little work on the wifes project Sunday. I'll post a picture of two later, but building furniture is a bit off topic.

Using the Fine Woodworking video for reference, I started dying the first guitar's body with the black dye.

http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworki....aspx?id=30182

Man, I hope I don't screw this thing up at this point. This part is making me a little nervous. I didn't take pics because I was up to my elbows in dye and wood-filler. I'll take a few as I do the twin's body.

PJ · March 4th, 2008, 09:40 PM

Hansen....I hope you keep us posted as the project nears completion.
I'd like to see Norm Abrams do that one!

Bhansen25 · March 4th, 2008, 10:05 PM

I would too, Norm can do anything - as he has EVERY tool.

I made negative progress over the last few days. I added color to a neutral wood filler and did some grain filling last night. I doing so, I discovered a ton of flaws in my binding. Apparently I over did the No. 16 glue I was using - in places it melted the binding, in other places it off-gassed (according to Bucko) and in doing so caused tiny little pits in the binding - ala swiss cheese. The colored grain filler really brought these issues to light. So I routed the binding off and had to start over. I used a gel super glue this time. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it works better this time.

Luckily I had enough extra binding to redo one guitar. The problem is I am building 2. Man, I hate having to make the small Stew Mac orders. The minimum order requirement and shipping charges are killing me!

shoretyus · March 4th, 2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PJ

Hansen....I hope you keep us posted as the project nears completion.
I'd like to see Norm Abrams do that one!

Sorry but Norm waving that brad nailer around scares me sometime.

Nice job. I have a good shop but it gets dirty so fast that I stop trying to be that clean.

I received truss rods today... I guess that's my project tonight.

trying to figure out the whys and hows.

But unlike you I have to make somebody else's wife happy ( paid job in the shop)

fletch · March 4th, 2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhansen25

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Man, that looks beautiful. I am looking forward to seeing how the stain goes, please post pictures of that procedure if possible. Your doing a fantastic job.

ehawley · March 5th, 2008, 01:25 AM

Beautiful job!! great picture taking! Brings back memories!!

All hand built! What did you use to shape the necks?
Cheers
ED

Bhansen25 · March 5th, 2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ehawley

What did you use to shape the necks?
Cheers
ED

A cabinet scraper and a random orbit sander. That job was sort of tedious.

cwood3 · March 5th, 2008, 08:44 AM

and is that a real hardwood carpenter's work bench??? Man!! the nerve.....

.......geeez! being the bachelor-type guy I am, I use my granite kitchen table for all my guitar work. Nice flat surface comes in handy, like when I'm filing my nuts..................?? hey wait! that sounds funky........

camari · March 5th, 2008, 09:09 AM

You really did your homework for this tele build. Looking great!! Thanks for showing us your progress.

tuuur · March 5th, 2008, 09:18 AM

This looks really very pro! And kudos for making necks, I don't think I can go there yet.

Bhansen25 · March 5th, 2008, 09:42 PM

Tip I learned tonight:

I ran out of super glue last night putting on new binding so I picked up some tonight. While I was there I picked up some strapping tape - the kind with the filaments in it. I had been using cheap masking tape or the blue stuff. WOW, what an improvement. The filament tape allows you to apply a lot of pressure (to get the binding really tight to the top) but a further plus: you can see through it! Both of these properties REALLY help in doing the job. I will never do it differently again.

Preacher · March 7th, 2008, 11:14 AM

Binding tape and as Buckocaster says, "strong fingers..."

Great build thread, I am jonesing to try a neck but I am a little talent challenged, we have a multi million dollar company that manufactures wood components so tools are not a problem, talent is!!!

Now where is that strat jig?

Bhansen25 · March 8th, 2008, 09:23 AM

After spending a bunch of time routing off the damaged binding, applying new binding, and a lot of sanding I was ready to start dying - again.

The first thing I did was grain fill the exposed ash on the sides. After some experimenting, I figured out that I needed to dye the filler before applying it, as the filler didn't dye well after it was applied and had dried.

I got this product at the local Woodcraft store

and used it (along with a water-based filler) on the open pores on the ash guitar sides. I also used the tinted filler on a couple of small places where there were hair-line gaps between the binding and top.

Using this video as a guide,
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworki....aspx?id=30182
I used a black dye to bring out the curl in the maple, sanded much of the black off (to bring out the grain/curl) then stained with a dark green. the results were WAY too bright, so I went over the entire thing with the black again. This resulted in the exact color I was after.

After drying, the colors are very drab looking, but I am confident they will pop back out when the finish is applied - kind of like a polished stone when it gets wet. ...at least I hope that is what happens.

The binding is ready for scraping. I guess that is what I will do today.

va3ux · March 8th, 2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhansen25

After drying, the colors are very drab looking, but I am confident they will pop back out when the finish is applied - kind of like a polished stone when it gets wet. ...at least I hope that is what happens.

That's exactly what will happen. With a clear lacquer applied and those aniline dyes absorbed into the grain, the guitar will look like it's 6" deep.

Phil

Bhansen25 · March 8th, 2008, 06:34 PM

Spent some time scraping the bindings. I am pleased with how it is progressing. Sure wish I had more binding for the twin. ...anybody know of a good substitute I can use? I keep looking around for a common household item I can use. I wondered around Lowe's the other day looking for inspiration. No luck. I guess I will have to break down and order from Stew Mac.

Anyway, here are some pics of the the 1st guitar - post scraping. By the way, these pics aren't coming out well. As the guitar is so dark, and the binding is so white, it is challenging to get the right exposure.

Bhansen25 · March 8th, 2008, 06:48 PM

I forgot to mention, scraping the binding reminded me of the Martin factory I toured a few weeks ago. Much of what they did was incredibly automated, and a lot of their methods looked like how us do-it-yourself-ers do it. For example there must have been 12 people lined up scraping bindings. ...what a way to make a living. I could never do it.

Look, she's even smiling.

Clive Hugh · March 8th, 2008, 08:48 PM

Beautiful job, theres nothing like playing one you have built yourself, even if it cost more than a bought one.
Clive

Nick JD · March 8th, 2008, 09:29 PM

I think it looks fantastic dark.

Nice contrast against the white binding.

amp boy · March 8th, 2008, 10:03 PM

THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOO much for posting that link on finishing.
that was great to watch.
i am looking forward to more of your finishing posts.
the pics are a great resource.
nice job scraping the binding.

March 2nd, 2008, 01:32 AM	#43 (permalink)
spicolli Tele-Meister Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: 315 Age: 32 Posts: 421	might be a cheap part to replace and have a spare dremel tool around? they are really handy tools for so many things. i use mine just about everyday for something i got going on. __________________ Rock and roll around my head Fifty watts happening

March 2nd, 2008, 10:51 AM	#44 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 12,252 101 Photos	Wow ............... very impressive for a first build ........... or any build. Unlike myself you jump right into uncharted waters. You've done a great job of documenting your progress. Very impressive indeed. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.

March 3rd, 2008, 07:04 PM	#46 (permalink)
Trimmed&Burnin Tele-Holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham Wa Age: 54 Posts: 812	Nice job indeed!! I have never seen a first time build look so well orginized and professional. But remember,,, happy wife, happy life! That piece of furniture will go a long way my friend!! __________________ Keep your lamp Trimmed And Burnin Shannon,

March 4th, 2008, 09:40 PM	#48 (permalink)
PJ Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,080 4 Photos	Hansen....I hope you keep us posted as the project nears completion. I'd like to see Norm Abrams do that one! __________________ PJ "I don't know if it's art, but I like it."

March 5th, 2008, 09:09 AM	#55 (permalink)
camari Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Florida Age: 50 Posts: 102	You really did your homework for this tele build. Looking great!! Thanks for showing us your progress. __________________ Remember to listen.

March 4th, 2008, 10:05 PM	#49 (permalink)
Bhansen25 TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cumming, GA Age: 46 Posts: 78 86 Photos	I would too, Norm can do anything - as he has EVERY tool. I made negative progress over the last few days. I added color to a neutral wood filler and did some grain filling last night. I doing so, I discovered a ton of flaws in my binding. Apparently I over did the No. 16 glue I was using - in places it melted the binding, in other places it off-gassed (according to Bucko) and in doing so caused tiny little pits in the binding - ala swiss cheese. The colored grain filler really brought these issues to light. So I routed the binding off and had to start over. I used a gel super glue this time. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it works better this time. Luckily I had enough extra binding to redo one guitar. The problem is I am building 2. Man, I hate having to make the small Stew Mac orders. The minimum order requirement and shipping charges are killing me!

March 5th, 2008, 01:25 AM	#52 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 55 Posts: 1,016 48 Photos	Beautiful job!! great picture taking! Brings back memories!! All hand built! What did you use to shape the necks? Cheers ED

March 5th, 2008, 08:44 AM	#54 (permalink)
cwood3 TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spring, Tx Age: 49 Posts: 35	and is that a real hardwood carpenter's work bench??? Man!! the nerve..... .......geeez! being the bachelor-type guy I am, I use my granite kitchen table for all my guitar work. Nice flat surface comes in handy, like when I'm filing my nuts..................?? hey wait! that sounds funky........

March 5th, 2008, 09:18 AM	#56 (permalink)
tuuur Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: the Netherlands Age: 40 Posts: 1,009 7 Photos	This looks really very pro! And kudos for making necks, I don't think I can go there yet. __________________ If we all take the backseat, who's gonna drive? - Fred Cole http://www.myspace.com/tuuur http://www.myspace.com/daggermoon

March 5th, 2008, 09:42 PM	#57 (permalink)
Bhansen25 TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cumming, GA Age: 46 Posts: 78 86 Photos	Tip I learned tonight: I ran out of super glue last night putting on new binding so I picked up some tonight. While I was there I picked up some strapping tape - the kind with the filaments in it. I had been using cheap masking tape or the blue stuff. WOW, what an improvement. The filament tape allows you to apply a lot of pressure (to get the binding really tight to the top) but a further plus: you can see through it! Both of these properties REALLY help in doing the job. I will never do it differently again.

March 7th, 2008, 11:14 AM	#58 (permalink)
Preacher Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Oklahoma Age: 40 Posts: 245	Binding tape and as Buckocaster says, "strong fingers..." Great build thread, I am jonesing to try a neck but I am a little talent challenged, we have a multi million dollar company that manufactures wood components so tools are not a problem, talent is!!! Now where is that strat jig? __________________ So many guitars... so little time.

March 8th, 2008, 09:23 AM	#59 (permalink)
Bhansen25 TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cumming, GA Age: 46 Posts: 78 86 Photos	After spending a bunch of time routing off the damaged binding, applying new binding, and a lot of sanding I was ready to start dying - again. The first thing I did was grain fill the exposed ash on the sides. After some experimenting, I figured out that I needed to dye the filler before applying it, as the filler didn't dye well after it was applied and had dried. I got this product at the local Woodcraft store and used it (along with a water-based filler) on the open pores on the ash guitar sides. I also used the tinted filler on a couple of small places where there were hair-line gaps between the binding and top. Using this video as a guide, http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworki....aspx?id=30182 I used a black dye to bring out the curl in the maple, sanded much of the black off (to bring out the grain/curl) then stained with a dark green. the results were WAY too bright, so I went over the entire thing with the black again. This resulted in the exact color I was after. After drying, the colors are very drab looking, but I am confident they will pop back out when the finish is applied - kind of like a polished stone when it gets wet. ...at least I hope that is what happens. The binding is ready for scraping. I guess that is what I will do today. Last edited by Bhansen25; March 8th, 2008 at 11:22 AM.

March 8th, 2008, 06:34 PM	#61 (permalink)
Bhansen25 TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cumming, GA Age: 46 Posts: 78 86 Photos	Spent some time scraping the bindings. I am pleased with how it is progressing. Sure wish I had more binding for the twin. ...anybody know of a good substitute I can use? I keep looking around for a common household item I can use. I wondered around Lowe's the other day looking for inspiration. No luck. I guess I will have to break down and order from Stew Mac. Anyway, here are some pics of the the 1st guitar - post scraping. By the way, these pics aren't coming out well. As the guitar is so dark, and the binding is so white, it is challenging to get the right exposure.

March 8th, 2008, 06:48 PM	#62 (permalink)
Bhansen25 TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cumming, GA Age: 46 Posts: 78 86 Photos	I forgot to mention, scraping the binding reminded me of the Martin factory I toured a few weeks ago. Much of what they did was incredibly automated, and a lot of their methods looked like how us do-it-yourself-ers do it. For example there must have been 12 people lined up scraping bindings. ...what a way to make a living. I could never do it. Look, she's even smiling.

March 8th, 2008, 08:48 PM	#63 (permalink)
Clive Hugh Tele-Holic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Australia Age: 64 Posts: 583	Beautiful job, theres nothing like playing one you have built yourself, even if it cost more than a bought one. Clive

March 8th, 2008, 09:29 PM	#64 (permalink)
Nick JD Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2007 Location: North NSW, Australia Age: 36 Posts: 2,597	I think it looks fantastic dark. Nice contrast against the white binding. __________________

March 8th, 2008, 10:03 PM	#65 (permalink)
amp boy Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: toronto, Canada Age: 27 Posts: 330 4 Photos	THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOO much for posting that link on finishing. that was great to watch. i am looking forward to more of your finishing posts. the pics are a great resource. nice job scraping the binding. __________________ I'm kinda like class act simplicity with a raw edge that can rip out yer bones.