Bacchus Or Combat Made In Japan Teles?

littlejohn · November 7th, 2007, 09:26 PM

Anyone Played/Ordered this brand?

They look pretty spiffy, some with double binding, etc. Just checked a couple out on EBAY....Around $900 USD...Any thoughts? Man, I think I like the *** Stuff!

stinkymommasboy · November 7th, 2007, 09:35 PM

for that price, I'd get a Fender

tjalla · November 7th, 2007, 11:58 PM

I've heard of guitars that "fight back", but...

sneakyjapan · November 8th, 2007, 06:27 AM

Bacchus...

and I have a bunch more but...everybody`s seen em here before and I don`t want post all the pics I have again. These are all from the older series before they stopped cloning to concentrate on their own designs, which I guess didn`t sell like they`d hoped because they began making the Fender and Gibson copies again but...have since stopped...again, except...for a few shops that I know of here who still get them made but without the logo on the headstock. I was turned onto them by a former member here Tom Quinn..where are ya Tom?...seems the natives have caught on to just how great they are `cause prices on used ones have gone way up. They also made the Riverhead line which were real nice too...plus their MIK Brians and the now MIC Bacchus Universe series...which I do not own. Parent company is Deviser who will build anything a custom has money to pay for and they also make the Momose line of high end guitars.
Combat...interesting name for a Japanese company eh...are very high end and sell for a lot. Seem to be top notch and I don`r see them in this city but have in Tokyo...love to own one but even used they cost a lot... I`m saving to go back home and I already own some exceptional MIJ guitars so a Combat would be a lateral move for me but they are exquisite.

sneakyjapan · November 8th, 2007, 06:33 AM

coulda got another MIA Fender but this guitar is far superior to anything they sell in Japan and as it was used and going for 1/4 the price it sold for new...it was an easy choice...absolutely beautiful guitar made with the best of everything that can be had at this time...Voo-Doo pups in it and was made to order for a guy who played SRV in bars...I don`t but as soon as I played it for 5 minutes I knew it was coming home with me and will be coming home to Canada with me as well...it`s a Momose, related to the same company that makes Bacchus...though it doesn`t have the name on the headstock, it is embossed in the neck pocket.

littlejohn · November 8th, 2007, 05:02 PM

Thanks for the pics, those are all nice!..T

The ones I really like, that I've been seeing, are the "double bound" bodied, Albert Collins style. I don't really think Fender US is offering any teles with bound bodies, are they?

sneakyjapan · November 8th, 2007, 08:04 PM

I see some MIAs here, and FJ has an Albert model available today.

littlejohn · November 8th, 2007, 08:55 PM

What's FJ...Fender Japan? Not sure what you mean?
Where is the Collins? Thanks

Dave Yeats · November 8th, 2007, 09:10 PM

This is a Bacchus telecaster I've bought three times (seriously). PhatTele sold it to me with the stipulation that I give him first dibs if I ever sold it. Sold it back to him with the same deal. Then I bought it back, then I sold it to him again. Then I bought it back.

Anyway, it's a great guitar, and I'm actually keeping it this time. It has Fralins in this picture.

I find that the Japanese sellers who ship to the US are asking a premium for these guitars on eBay, but they can be pretty reasonable when bought in the US from US sellers. I watched a Bacchus V copy go for around $600 on eBay. I should have bought it.

sneakyjapan · November 9th, 2007, 05:47 AM

FJ = Fender Japan.
Dave...I sold a Bacchus like that to a Swede with the same stipulation, that he give me a chance to buy it back if he decided to sell it...but alas, he sold it to somebody else. I had put Duncan Nashville 5/2s in it and loved that thing...only sold it...at a loss... because the guy had helped me with a web site...ring a bell Paul?... and certainly in hind site regret letting it go...and had I known what was going to happen, I wouldn`t have.
Still...have since picked up other mighty fine MIJs but thats one I`d like back. If I remember....the serial was 07000...thats not it is it?

sneakyjapan · November 9th, 2007, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlejohn

What's FJ...Fender Japan? Not sure what you mean?
Where is the Collins? Thanks

it can be seen on Japanese web sites...maybe Ishibashi can get em.

Dave Yeats · December 1st, 2007, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sneakyjapan

FJ = Fender Japan.
Dave...I sold a Bacchus like that to a Swede with the same stipulation, that he give me a chance to buy it back if he decided to sell it...but alas, he sold it to somebody else. I had put Duncan Nashville 5/2s in it and loved that thing...only sold it...at a loss... because the guy had helped me with a web site...ring a bell Paul?... and certainly in hind site regret letting it go...and had I known what was going to happen, I wouldn`t have.
Still...have since picked up other mighty fine MIJs but thats one I`d like back. If I remember....the serial was 07000...thats not it is it?

Sneaky, This Bacchus has serial #012028. Any idea of the year of manufacture? See my new pictures of the newly modded version here.

sneakyjapan · December 2nd, 2007, 02:39 AM

hard to say about the year for sure without the green warranty card, but by the time they stopped making their vintage series...they still make em but for a few shops over here and without Bacchus on the headstock, I know, their history of vintage clones stopped and started a couple of times that I`m aware of...so, by the time they finished the vintage series they were well into 6 digit serials...so best guess is mid to late 90s.

telefusion · February 25th, 2008, 03:58 PM

very interested in the Bacchus line of teles..anyone knows how to order them? Seen some at ikebe gakki, but do they do international? The prices are crazy, something like 12,000yen..particularly interested in the BTE-250 model..anyone played it and know the neck specs? interested in neck contour, f/b radius and fret size..Thanks!

sneakyjapan · February 25th, 2008, 08:27 PM

those prices?... must be the Universe series, made in China and they aren`t the same quality as the bacchus vintage series from 10-15 years ago. You will get a low end MIC guitar, not to be confused with the guitars bacchus is well known for.
not sure if that chain of shops ships internationally.

telefusion · February 26th, 2008, 01:37 PM

i see but for the price could it do any worse than say squier?

also do you happen to know the neck specs? little is said on various websites i've visited..specs like contour, radius and fretwire size...thanks!

sneakyjapan · February 26th, 2008, 07:34 PM

nope no idea sorry. mine are older MIJs.

mhoyoux · July 28th, 2008, 06:55 AM

Here's a link who explain most of the BACCHUS brand...

http://www.guitarsjapan.com/deviserinfopage.html

The new series is "Handmade" serie : http://www.deviser.co.jp/modules/bac...?content_id=16

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7hRaMUhZw

Very HIGH quality...Near FENDER CS...

fish78 · July 28th, 2008, 07:11 AM

Don't know how it plays, but looks pretty tasty:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/Bacchus-Japan-Tel...713.m153.l1262

musicalmartin · July 28th, 2008, 07:36 AM

HC forums has a series of youtube videos currently posted on how Bacchus are made .looks very traditional .I would love one

sneakyjapan · July 28th, 2008, 10:12 AM

as far as I know they`ve always been hand made it`s just that after they stopped the vintage series for the first time to concentrate on their own designs, they added the hand made thing to their guitars. if you see old Riverheads, some of those seemed to be the same as the bacchus made at that time, not sure why they had two lines that were so similar. they`ve been making the Brian brand since at least the early 80s `cause I see advertisements for them in my old Japanese guitar magazines from back then...however I`m not sure if the Brians were MIK or MIJ at the time, I know they were outsourced later. Deviser, the parent company, restarted their Gibson and Fender bacchus clones in the late 90s after a couple of years of their own designs, maybe they didn`t take off like they`d hoped...maybe the Japanese just wanted more traditional guitars...but they stopped the bacchus altogether by early this decade, once the Momoses came on line...stopped putting bacchus on the headstock is more accurate because they still build the vintage line for shops without the name on the headstock...a shop called Sonix gets them as does Music Inn Tom, at least last time I looked at the sites they did...not sure either would ship overseas. There was a short lived bacchus junior line too, the ones I saw looked to be lower quality but not bad at all. Fortunately I got all my bacchus vintage series guitars before they got discovered so to speak...in fact I was introduced to them by a member here named Tom...forget his family name...but he was in Japan at the time and told me to get my hands around one, I did and ended up buying a whole wack of em...but I did walk right past so many before I finally played one and found out Tom was right...still I`ve got about 15 of the older ones so I ain`t complaining.
The newer Deviser designed models are nice but personally I prefer the vintage line, they did make some very high end models a couple of years ago that sold for thousands, and my Muddy as well as the SRV #1 and Charly limited run models sold for more than the average bacchus at the time and from what I see on line here, haven`t lost any of their value over the years. bacchus is one of my favorite MIJ lines, a joy to play, top notch workmanship and quality parts...everything we`ve come to expect from the best made Japanese guitars.

November 7th, 2007, 09:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
littlejohn TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Market, MD Posts: 37	Bacchus Or Combat Made In Japan Teles? Anyone Played/Ordered this brand? They look pretty spiffy, some with double binding, etc. Just checked a couple out on EBAY....Around $900 USD...Any thoughts? Man, I think I like the *** Stuff!

November 7th, 2007, 09:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
stinkymommasboy Tele-Meister Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: maurice, la Posts: 270	for that price, I'd get a Fender __________________ I play slow because I AM slow!! http://myspace.com/honkytonkzeros

November 8th, 2007, 06:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
sneakyjapan Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nippon Posts: 2,410 3 Photos	Bacchus... and I have a bunch more but...everybody`s seen em here before and I don`t want post all the pics I have again. These are all from the older series before they stopped cloning to concentrate on their own designs, which I guess didn`t sell like they`d hoped because they began making the Fender and Gibson copies again but...have since stopped...again, except...for a few shops that I know of here who still get them made but without the logo on the headstock. I was turned onto them by a former member here Tom Quinn..where are ya Tom?...seems the natives have caught on to just how great they are `cause prices on used ones have gone way up. They also made the Riverhead line which were real nice too...plus their MIK Brians and the now MIC Bacchus Universe series...which I do not own. Parent company is Deviser who will build anything a custom has money to pay for and they also make the Momose line of high end guitars. Combat...interesting name for a Japanese company eh...are very high end and sell for a lot. Seem to be top notch and I don`r see them in this city but have in Tokyo...love to own one but even used they cost a lot... I`m saving to go back home and I already own some exceptional MIJ guitars so a Combat would be a lateral move for me but they are exquisite. __________________ quasi mojo

November 8th, 2007, 06:33 AM	#5 (permalink)
sneakyjapan Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nippon Posts: 2,410 3 Photos	coulda got another MIA Fender but this guitar is far superior to anything they sell in Japan and as it was used and going for 1/4 the price it sold for new...it was an easy choice...absolutely beautiful guitar made with the best of everything that can be had at this time...Voo-Doo pups in it and was made to order for a guy who played SRV in bars...I don`t but as soon as I played it for 5 minutes I knew it was coming home with me and will be coming home to Canada with me as well...it`s a Momose, related to the same company that makes Bacchus...though it doesn`t have the name on the headstock, it is embossed in the neck pocket. __________________ quasi mojo

November 8th, 2007, 08:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
sneakyjapan Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nippon Posts: 2,410 3 Photos	I see some MIAs here, and FJ has an Albert model available today. __________________ quasi mojo

November 7th, 2007, 11:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
tjalla Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 1,826 7 Photos	I've heard of guitars that "fight back", but...

November 8th, 2007, 05:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
littlejohn TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Market, MD Posts: 37	Thanks for the pics, those are all nice!..T The ones I really like, that I've been seeing, are the "double bound" bodied, Albert Collins style. I don't really think Fender US is offering any teles with bound bodies, are they?

November 8th, 2007, 08:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
littlejohn TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Market, MD Posts: 37	What's FJ...Fender Japan? Not sure what you mean? Where is the Collins? Thanks

November 8th, 2007, 09:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dave Yeats Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Austin, Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 760 50 Photos	This is a Bacchus telecaster I've bought three times (seriously). PhatTele sold it to me with the stipulation that I give him first dibs if I ever sold it. Sold it back to him with the same deal. Then I bought it back, then I sold it to him again. Then I bought it back. Anyway, it's a great guitar, and I'm actually keeping it this time. It has Fralins in this picture. I find that the Japanese sellers who ship to the US are asking a premium for these guitars on eBay, but they can be pretty reasonable when bought in the US from US sellers. I watched a Bacchus V copy go for around $600 on eBay. I should have bought it.

November 9th, 2007, 05:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
sneakyjapan Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nippon Posts: 2,410 3 Photos	FJ = Fender Japan. Dave...I sold a Bacchus like that to a Swede with the same stipulation, that he give me a chance to buy it back if he decided to sell it...but alas, he sold it to somebody else. I had put Duncan Nashville 5/2s in it and loved that thing...only sold it...at a loss... because the guy had helped me with a web site...ring a bell Paul?... and certainly in hind site regret letting it go...and had I known what was going to happen, I wouldn`t have. Still...have since picked up other mighty fine MIJs but thats one I`d like back. If I remember....the serial was 07000...thats not it is it? __________________ quasi mojo

December 2nd, 2007, 02:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
sneakyjapan Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nippon Posts: 2,410 3 Photos	hard to say about the year for sure without the green warranty card, but by the time they stopped making their vintage series...they still make em but for a few shops over here and without Bacchus on the headstock, I know, their history of vintage clones stopped and started a couple of times that I`m aware of...so, by the time they finished the vintage series they were well into 6 digit serials...so best guess is mid to late 90s. __________________ quasi mojo

February 25th, 2008, 03:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
telefusion Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2007 Location: tele dreamland Posts: 112	very interested in the Bacchus line of teles..anyone knows how to order them? Seen some at ikebe gakki, but do they do international? The prices are crazy, something like 12,000yen..particularly interested in the BTE-250 model..anyone played it and know the neck specs? interested in neck contour, f/b radius and fret size..Thanks!

February 25th, 2008, 08:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
sneakyjapan Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nippon Posts: 2,410 3 Photos	those prices?... must be the Universe series, made in China and they aren`t the same quality as the bacchus vintage series from 10-15 years ago. You will get a low end MIC guitar, not to be confused with the guitars bacchus is well known for. not sure if that chain of shops ships internationally. __________________ quasi mojo

February 26th, 2008, 01:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
telefusion Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2007 Location: tele dreamland Posts: 112	i see but for the price could it do any worse than say squier? also do you happen to know the neck specs? little is said on various websites i've visited..specs like contour, radius and fretwire size...thanks!

February 26th, 2008, 07:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
sneakyjapan Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nippon Posts: 2,410 3 Photos	nope no idea sorry. mine are older MIJs. __________________ quasi mojo

July 28th, 2008, 06:55 AM	#18 (permalink)
mhoyoux NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Belgium Age: 31 Posts: 6	BACCHUS Here's a link who explain most of the BACCHUS brand... http://www.guitarsjapan.com/deviserinfopage.html The new series is "Handmade" serie : http://www.deviser.co.jp/modules/bac...?content_id=16 http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7hRaMUhZw Very HIGH quality...Near FENDER CS...

July 28th, 2008, 07:11 AM	#19 (permalink)
fish78 NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Duluth, GA Age: 56 Posts: 9	Don't know how it plays, but looks pretty tasty: http://cgi.ebay.ie/Bacchus-Japan-Tel...713.m153.l1262

July 28th, 2008, 07:36 AM	#20 (permalink)
musicalmartin Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Age: 60 Posts: 455	HC forums has a series of youtube videos currently posted on how Bacchus are made .looks very traditional .I would love one

July 28th, 2008, 10:12 AM	#21 (permalink)
sneakyjapan Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nippon Posts: 2,410 3 Photos	as far as I know they`ve always been hand made it`s just that after they stopped the vintage series for the first time to concentrate on their own designs, they added the hand made thing to their guitars. if you see old Riverheads, some of those seemed to be the same as the bacchus made at that time, not sure why they had two lines that were so similar. they`ve been making the Brian brand since at least the early 80s `cause I see advertisements for them in my old Japanese guitar magazines from back then...however I`m not sure if the Brians were MIK or MIJ at the time, I know they were outsourced later. Deviser, the parent company, restarted their Gibson and Fender bacchus clones in the late 90s after a couple of years of their own designs, maybe they didn`t take off like they`d hoped...maybe the Japanese just wanted more traditional guitars...but they stopped the bacchus altogether by early this decade, once the Momoses came on line...stopped putting bacchus on the headstock is more accurate because they still build the vintage line for shops without the name on the headstock...a shop called Sonix gets them as does Music Inn Tom, at least last time I looked at the sites they did...not sure either would ship overseas. There was a short lived bacchus junior line too, the ones I saw looked to be lower quality but not bad at all. Fortunately I got all my bacchus vintage series guitars before they got discovered so to speak...in fact I was introduced to them by a member here named Tom...forget his family name...but he was in Japan at the time and told me to get my hands around one, I did and ended up buying a whole wack of em...but I did walk right past so many before I finally played one and found out Tom was right...still I`ve got about 15 of the older ones so I ain`t complaining. The newer Deviser designed models are nice but personally I prefer the vintage line, they did make some very high end models a couple of years ago that sold for thousands, and my Muddy as well as the SRV #1 and Charly limited run models sold for more than the average bacchus at the time and from what I see on line here, haven`t lost any of their value over the years. bacchus is one of my favorite MIJ lines, a joy to play, top notch workmanship and quality parts...everything we`ve come to expect from the best made Japanese guitars. __________________ quasi mojo