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Old October 30th, 2007, 10:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ikeacaster: newbie tele copy on the cheap

Hi all,

finally I started my own build.
I decided to start out cheap and try to do it with the most basic woodworking tools. So don't expect the result to be exact, as I am not a perfectionist as well...

I started out with this very cheap Strat copy (nicknamed Poltergeister) I'm going to use the neck, tuners, neck pickup and controls off. I got three strats already and no fender dimensioned tele, so I don't bother taking that apart.



Then I got me a laminated Ikea shelf plank, called Tryggve. The idea is to create a body out of it by cutting it in three and laminating it, hollowing the center part out. The plank was 1.20 meters by 36.5 cm by 1.5 cm.



After the plank was cut, I printed a Telecaster outline on A3 paper, cut it out, and transferred it with carbon paper on the front piece of wood. I also made two points for alignment to the left and the right of the body. On the middle part, I transferred the chambers.



Then, with a jigsaw I sawed out the chambers.

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Recently I got a handrouter; so as a test I also routed out a cavity of 1 cm from the back and front panels. Here they are, finished routing:



Then I glued the three parts together. I used standad white wood glue from the DIY store, 6 clamps (maybe it's not enough, but we'll see) and a weight to push it together.



A day later, I sawed the body with a jigsaw. It is clear a bandsaw and router would give a much straighter result, but I don' have a bandsaw, and no tracing bit on the router... and was interested how things would turn out like this.
So this is how it looked, with pickguard, bridge and controlplate for reference:



Then I routed out the neckpocket... and made the newbie mistake to not measure thrice but only twice... :-) It was routed 3 cm while it should have been only 1.5 cm. So I glued a piece of wood in the neckpocket and routed it to the correct height.



That doesn't look pretty, but I guess it will work.
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This is the current state:





Pickups are a Seymour Duncan STL1B Broadcaster bridge pickup and a no-name DeArmond style gold foil single coil neck pickup.

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Old October 30th, 2007, 12:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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looking great so far...i like the natural wood, very nice!

by the way, when you use the whammy bar on this strat copy does your car window roll down?:

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Old October 30th, 2007, 01:00 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Hey, I like what you're doing.

Keep the pictures coming!

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Old October 30th, 2007, 01:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Great thread!
You`ve got to post soundclips of the "tryggvecaster" when it`s finished.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 01:58 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It's good to see what's possible when you think outside the box.
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Looks cool, keep it comin'.

BTW, does anyone know what tryggve is?

This looks like some form of fast growing softwood; I guess there's a good number of hectares on land devoted to that Northeast of where you are.

You know, this is a dangerous deal. I've got big scraps of wood 'round here I'd have thrown away no questions asked a year ago. Now the stuff is piling up to mid-calf.

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Old October 30th, 2007, 03:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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BTW, does anyone know what tryggve is?
I was curious as well... it seems to be a scandinavian name, especially one of a Viking king somewhere around 900.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 03:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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isn't Tryggve a a planet on Star Trek??
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you're right..

Tryggve is a scandinavian name, and the viking issue is most possible also true. The Ikeacaster seems very thick, dont ya think, and the sidewindow whammy is hilarious!

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Old October 30th, 2007, 06:34 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Do you put it all together with one of those little hex keys ?
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looking great so far...i like the natural wood, very nice!

by the way, when you use the whammy bar on this strat copy does your car window roll down?
Yep, I like the wood too. I'm planning to keep it natural, with some clear finish or oil, I'm not sure which yet.
And the whammy bar doesn't do that, though maybe with some infrared device...
By the way, it's back again with its original owner, a 60s Kawai/Teisco/No idea what it is:



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Hey, I like what you're doing.
Keep the pictures coming!
Thanks! There'll be some more in my next reply...

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Great thread!
You`ve got to post soundclips of the "tryggvecaster" when it`s finished.
Thanks! I intend to post some clips, stay tuned for that...

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It's good to see what's possible when you think outside the box.
I'm actually very curious myself. I'm planning to learn to do things the right and sensible way as well, in the future, when I got my tools and patience and woodworking skills together some more. But in the meantime, this is fun as well!

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isn't Tryggve a a planet on Star Trek??
I don't know, I am not that versed in Trekkie stuff...

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The Ikeacaster seems very thick, dont ya think, and the sidewindow whammy is hilarious!
I thought it was thick at first as well; it's 4.5 cm. But it turns out it has the same thickness as my Aria 1582t tele copy. Furthermore, as it is chambered, the guitar is very lightweight.
That sidewindow whammy is actually some german home window opening system I got from the scrapyard.

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No, but I intend to finish it with some Ikea Behandla stuff...
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OK, we left off somewhere here:



Tonight I first lined out the bridge using the low and high E strings. Then I mounted the bridge, and strung'r up!



Sound was promising, though naturally things were far from intonated. Then I traced the position of the bridge pickup route through the holes in the bridge, and adjusted the position of the control plate as well.



I drilled the control route with a forstner bit first.

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Then I finished it with the handrouter, not using a template...



After that, the bridge pickup route. Started with a hole drilled with a forstner bit, and finished again with the handrouter. Again, without using a template. Remember, I'm just testing out how things will look when you DON'T do it the sensible way...



Then I drilled the hole for the bridge pickup wires:

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Well, I guess I am not the patient kind of guy. So having come this far, I installed the bridge, bridge pickup, control plate with a volume pot, and a makeshift output jack...

And here it is now (is a guitar named after a 10th century viking king a she? don't think so!):





And hey, what do you know, after some tweaking of the bridge saddles it's actually very playable already! Sounding gritty like it should.
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very cool! 1 question though... why didn't you cut the f-hole out before glueing? Is there an advantage to doing it now?
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My tele pipe dreams took me to your idea one
day as I was thinking about how to turn old
furniture into tele bodies....imagine doing this
with an old slab of mahoghany, or walnut
off the top of a 70 year old dresser. Wood that
old sings like a marimba when you thunk it.
I will have to send you a slab....your doing
it the exact way I would have done it...

Would it work out if you cut the neck pocket
in the upper slab and then leave it uncut in the
middle slab?

MAGNIFICIENT....
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Fascinating thread, Tuuur - you're doing an excellent job!....

Keep it coming.
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Hey bro,

This is a build thread that I can relate to! Basic wood and methods for a basic guitar. Sweet!
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This is great. Watching a build with tools us mere mortals have access to.

Man that IKEA furniture must be cheaper over your way! I can't imagine cutting up a $300 table
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very cool! 1 question though... why didn't you cut the f-hole out before glueing? Is there an advantage to doing it now?
No advantage at all, but on the other hand, I don't think it would be that difficult to do it at this stage.

The only reason I didn't do it yet is... I'm still not sure if I want a thinline or not...
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My tele pipe dreams took me to your idea one
day as I was thinking about how to turn old
furniture into tele bodies....imagine doing this
with an old slab of mahoghany, or walnut
off the top of a 70 year old dresser. Wood that
old sings like a marimba when you thunk it.
I will have to send you a slab....your doing
it the exact way I would have done it...
That would be a great idea indeed. If I recall correctly, it is exactly the way Orville Gibson started his little company... by carving guitars out of old furniture.

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That would certainly work out, had I not been dumb enough to measure the neckpocket wrong... that would have saved me some serious trouble.

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(and haven't seen the mistakes and ugly spots yet... )
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This is great. Watching a build with tools us mere mortals have access to.
Precisely! (but of course I still don't know if the result will be that good.)

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Man that IKEA furniture must be cheaper over your way! I can't imagine cutting up a $300 table
Well, this wasn't a table originally, just a plank. A pine plank at that. Would this then be a Pinecaster?
The 119 cm x 36,5 cm version can be had around these parts for a mere 6 euros...
http://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/catalog/products/90094631

and $8 in the US:
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/10094630

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Fascinating thread, Tuuur - you're doing an excellent job!....
Thanks! Most things I learned one way or another from this here TDPRI forum.
I don't really have much woodworking experience, so I read the Buckocaster thread and the like and took that as a sort of guide...
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Excellent!

I'd love to hear a sound clip (hint, hint)

After watching some of the other build threads by people who seem to have complete furniture and lutherie shops in their garages, it's very refreshing to see one using only the kind of tools I have, or could someday afford to buy.

Now, if only someone would do a build thread using only a hammer, chisel, some glue, and a screwdriver...
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that ikea plank is also our kitchen worktop haha! inspires me to have a go at building a tele, love how its coming a long
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Well, I recorded two soundclips, playing the Tryggvecaster through my Kustom 150h solid state amp, and recording it with Audacity on my laptop.
Lesson learned: laptops are not by default fit to record audio, it all sounds somewhat weird. In real life it sounds more lively and sparkly than this...

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I'm lookin foreward to seein this all done
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I wish I could build stuff like that. You get mad props.
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Now I got the Tryggvecaster temporary functioning for a few days, it's time to collect the mistakes / ugly bits / things I most clearly have to fix.

I don't know what came over me during the creation, and fixing of the neckpocket... but my solution is sort of out of whack entirely. I have to insert a strip of wood there to make it look reasonable.



Looks like the neck is attached just ever so slightly entirely wrong... it should be tilted backwards instead of like this. A shim would correct that, maybe I should adjust the neckpocket... I don't know yet. The saddles are on their lowest, so the strings could take it I guess.



There is some weird bend in the neck that I hope to be able to get out by adjusting the trussrod.



The handrouter had a life of its own; and I didn't use a template. Or a guide. therefore, here is a dent... about one mm deep, next to the bout. Ouch!

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At the neck side of the bridge, there is about a mm space where the bridge floats over the body... how could that happen? Possibly the top of the body isn't entirely flat... or I overtightened the screws in the soft wood.



The worst kind of nut is the nut with deep incisions, like this one. I'll be making a new one myself.

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Holy Router Batman!

Whenever I try to hand-route something it wanders all over the place.

I am impressed with what you have been doing.

Some people put small screws in the corners of the leading edge of the bridge to snuggle it down to the top. Might be something to think about.

Thanks for sharing.
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You sir, have just changed my views on buying Ikea planks.... Hmmm..... :)
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You could only sand the top of the nut, if the bottom is correct (keep it simple!)
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I think your thinking of the planet "Triskellion" from the episode where Kirk, Uhura, and Chekov were taken to a planet to be made into gladitorial slaves. Nice build by the way...
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You sir, have just changed my views on buying Ikea planks.... Hmmm..... :)
Glad to be of service, sir!

This IKEAcaster changed MY view on IKEA wood.. The guy who created it says he can get three tops out of a $15 end table.



He himself has this to say about what the body is made of:

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I gather he is joking, but then look at the price he is asking...
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You could only sand the top of the nut, if the bottom is correct (keep it simple!)
It's a bit on the high side... so it could be still usable when I adapt it the way you suggest.
I like the simple approach!
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Holy Router Batman!

Whenever I try to hand-route something it wanders all over the place.
Same thing happens here, believe me. One of the bigger problems I encounter is that I am too impatient... so rather to prepair a routing session well with some guiding piece of wood clamped to the body, I went at it without doing so.

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Coming from you, sir, that means a lot! Thanks!

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Some people put small screws in the corners of the leading edge of the bridge to snuggle it down to the top. Might be something to think about.

Thanks for sharing.
The Squier Affinity Tele bridge has those same screws:



... but I doesn't bother me too much at this point. I don't play that subtle, so I don't know if I even would notice the difference in tone...

Thanks again, and greetings from a place some mere miles from Lochem, the Netherlands!
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