Paisley That is Still Barbie Pink

[Buckocaster51]

Well by golly...here's a '68 Red Paisley Telecaster that is still Barbie Pink around the edges. Barbie Pink Paisely.

I've always thought this is the way they should look.

[nokaster]

i for one am waiting on your first attempt to build a paisley bucko!
and for all i care, you're welcome to go wild... maybe some sparkle on the sides?
i'm thinking emerald or chocolate color...
for your inspiration!

[varakeef]

I think this one is a appropriate thread to ask what is the shade of pink that was used in the original pink paisley teles? Does it have a name of some sort - other than Barbie pink..?

It seems to go orangish as time goes by but what was the color back then? It doesn't look like shell pink, is it a bit metallic maybe?

[Twang Tone]

Those CIJ Reissues are too 'Bubble Gum' pink for my taste - if they made a faded 'light purple' one I'd buy it in a heart beat.

For now, I'll stick with the Blue Flower Brigade!

Thanks,

[varakeef]

To be more specific, according to this article http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fenderc.html shell pink was discontinued in the early-mid sixties. In 1968 Paisley Telecaster was very pink, however, and the question is what was the color called back then and was that shade available even without paisley pattern.

If you for example watch the movie "That's the way it is" the telecaster James Burton plays there is outrageously pink. If you compare the new ones with that it's not taht different I guess.

[jwells393]

The problem with the current Japanese Paisleys is not so much the pink color but the fact that the pink burst covers too much of the front and back............ at least that was the case on the day they painted mine.

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[Tele295]

I notice on the cover of the recent GP that Brad Paisley's original 68 has faded/discolored to almost a Shoreline Gold around the edges. That looks awesome!

[Miguel Angelo]

Originally Posted by jwells393

The problem with the current Japanese Paisleys is not so much the pink color but the fact that the pink burst covers too much of the front and back............ at least that was the case on the day they painted mine.

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This one doesn't cover to much and by the way, how are they? I'm thinking getting one.

http://imageevent.com/nu2uguitars/fe...=1&n=1&l=0&z=2

[Johnny T]

Did you notice the skunk stripe on the Paisley Tele page posted by Buck? I didn't!

[Buckocaster51]

Originally Posted by Johnny T

Did you notice the skunk stripe on the Paisley Tele page posted by Buck?

I guess they forgot to put the decal on that one!

[Rizo]

I notice on the cover of the recent GP that Brad Paisley's original 68 has faded/discolored to almost a Shoreline Gold around the edges. That looks awesome!

Amen! If I were to get one, that's the route I'd want. Good lick finding the paisley wall paper Buck!

[stevieboy]

Originally Posted by Tele295

I notice on the cover of the recent GP that Brad Paisley's original 68 has faded/discolored to almost a Shoreline Gold around the edges. That looks awesome!

I thought that the early ones, or at least some of them, actually were painted with gold on the edges. Am I wrong? I do like that look better than the pink.

[skydawg]

They're all pink on the side.

[jwells393]

They're all pink on the side

We had a similar saying back in my high school days.

[giginthesky]

jwells, i've got an 04 MIJ paisley. it has a way thinner pink edge than yours. is yours the same year?

[stevieboy]

Okay here's one like tele295 describes.

http://www.telecastergallery.com/gal...d&cat=0&pos=92

It's on the Telecaster Gallery which many of our members have contributed to, but I can't figure out from this page who it might belong to or have belonged to.


Clearly it has yellowed. I would assume since it's still pink overall under the pickguard, it's the product of exposure to air not light, and it's the finish over coat that has yellowed not the material or the paint. Though it is possible I guess that the pickguard though clear filters out UV or whatever light band might yellow the finish. Interesting that the sides are still pink but the colored part around the edge of the top has yellowed, I guess there could be several possible explanations like maybe it has a different finish on the sides. I think it is safe to say that the edge paint on the top is very narrow compared to the average that you see today, let alone jwells'.

[Buckocaster51]

A couple of things come to mind...

the width of the fogging-in around the edge has to be a factor of what there is there that needs to be covered up. The application of the sticky paper was probably not an exact science and I'll bet there was plenty of "issues" with the way the edges looked.

In the 60s, candy pink paint like that may well have been two parts...a gold undercoat and a pinkish top coat. I'm not sure about that but think I do have a pretty high degree of confidence.

Whatever "goop" was applied to the top, had to be a very early type of goop. There have been great advances in goop over the years.

Look at the way the clear cracks on those old guitars. New goop won't behave that way.

I'm pretty sure that the goop is way-thick. While I have never seen wrapping paper with THAT pattern...I have seen similar stuff. It is thick. To cover it and make it smooth is going to take a thick layer of goop.

I would love to be able to go back in time and see what thos Red Paisleys (Red is Fender's term, not mine) looked like when they were new. I'll bet they looked more like Fender of Japan's modern versions than many of us would like to admit.

I have one, and like Jack's, the burst around the edges is pretty wide. Not as wide as his, but still wider than I would like it. When I look closely at the guitar, I can see some thinks in the finish...under the pink...things that they were obviously covering up...places where the edges of the paper were sanded.

I'd still love to have an original. Back in about '84 I looked for one. Didn't want to pay the 1200-1300 greenbacks that were being asked. Arghhh! I should have bought a dozen!

[giginthesky]

thanx for the lesson on goop, buckocaster. at some point in the night i hope i stop laughing at your explanation so i can get some sleep. is your tele an 04 MIJ or a 90's? i'm wondering if that's where the difference is. also, all the pics i see from the old elvis days, that tele looks barbie pink to me as well. so where did they come up with the term "red"? could cbs fender see into the future??? maybe this is one for the x-files.

[Buckocaster51]

Mine is an '84. When I bought it then from Axe-in-Hand Music in Dekalb IL, they swore it was from the first container of reissues to hit the beach.

It is a great guitar. I have a Blue Flower from the same time period. When I play them, I literally can't tell them from my '67. Necks feel the same. Sound is the same (at least to my ears.) They did a good job with them.

As to why Fender called it "red" I don't know. I've ALWAYS called it Pink Paisley. James Burton calls it Pink Paisley. Gram Parsons called it Pink Paisley. I bet Marty Stuart calls it Pink Paisley. Bill Crook, who probably knows as much about Paisleys as anybody outside of Fender, calls in Pink Paisley. In Fender's old adds, it looks like Pink Paisley. The only red I have ever seen is in the name in those ads.

Who knows what was going on in the mind of the copywriters. I certainly don't.

What are you laughing at? Never heard it called "goop?"

[giginthesky]

nope. first time i ever heard of goop. that's why i chuckled. i have a blue flower from 04 also. beautiful tele's they are! i love them both.

[gitarjoe]

Originally Posted by stevieboy

Okay here's one like tele295 describes.

http://www.telecastergallery.com/gal...d&cat=0&pos=92

It's on the Telecaster Gallery which many of our members have contributed to, but I can't figure out from this page who it might belong to or have belonged to.


Clearly it has yellowed. I would assume since it's still pink overall under the pickguard, it's the product of exposure to air not light, and it's the finish over coat that has yellowed not the material or the paint. Though it is possible I guess that the pickguard though clear filters out UV or whatever light band might yellow the finish. Interesting that the sides are still pink but the colored part around the edge of the top has yellowed, I guess there could be several possible explanations like maybe it has a different finish on the sides. I think it is safe to say that the edge paint on the top is very narrow compared to the average that you see today, let alone jwells'.

Hey!! Thats my guitar. I just walked in on the middle of this.
Yes, it has yellowed some( I prefer to call it gold), and it has turned red along the edges. But, it is still pink under the guard.

[Twang Tone]

Originally Posted by jwells393

We had a similar saying back in my high school days.

Ha ha!!

Thanks,

[jwells393]

giginthesky........... mine has a "P" serial number which makes it 1999-2002.

Any possibility you could send me a good quality picture of the back of yours taken straight on. I've tried to use Photoshop to make a large (13x16 in.) paisley pattern but mine doesn't have enough of the clear paisley pattern showing to do so.

[chet]

I've had two of the 2002 RI's and sold both of them after a year. Couldn't bond with them.

[giginthesky]

does this work? mine's a p serial # too.

[Buckocaster51]

The way I see it...and I may be wrong...is that there are only two "repeats" in the pattern...and they are mirror images of each other.

Does anybody else see anything there?

How about setting a guitar on a large flatbed scanner and having at it?

I have a life size scan of an original Red Paisley right in front of me. For the first time ever...I just noticed the pattern on the reissues is different!

Unless I am missing something, the pattern on Giginthesky's is not the same as the scan I am looking at.

Anyway...if I was going to try to photoshop a copy, I would definitely try to start with a scan rather than a picture.

But I have been wrong before!

[jwells393]

Thanks giginthesky. Yours has a lot more paisley showing than mine. However I need a high resolution (1000 pixels wide or wider) sharp focus picture that really shows the detail of the pattern without glare from the silver background. Here's a reduced size picture of what I'm trying to do.

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Because of the pink overspray on mine I end up with areas that are not clear and sharp. Here's a compaison of yours and mine. Looking at yours, I'm not sure it would allow me to create a sharp and clear 13x16 pattern.

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[giginthesky]

the color of mine is all wrong in the pic too. my tele looks the same as yours in real life. maybe i'll try again when the sun is out without the flash. also notice i have a chip at the bottom edge. don't know if that would be a problem for ya.

[Buckocaster51]

This thread has pushed me into something I have been intending to do for quite some time.

Here is a composite of a couple of scans I did tonight.



Don't look too closely. It is not perfect!

Here is a link to an 8.5 MB jpeg version of it.

Click here

Don't you all go downloading it at once...my server might puke.

it is at 300 dpi

I think there is enough there to get both the left-handed and right-handed paisleys in the new pattern.

Now, more than ever, I am convinced that the new pattern is different than the old pattern. I wonder how the Tokais compare.

[Buckocaster51]

This might be more along the lines of what needs to be done.



Repeat the pattern.

Find somebody to print it on some sort of mylar paper.

Glue it to your guitar.

Cover it with goop

Paint the edges Barbie Pink...or gold...

Shoot...you could even do the headstock!

And here I am bogged down in checkerboards and binding!

Of course...maybe the two could be combined!

[jwells393]

That is indeed a high resolution picture ........... Higher than necessary I believe. However I don't think we're on the same page. There's not enough information there to make a complete page of the pattern .......... at least not with my limited Photoshop skills. My method was to use the cloning tool to copy portions of the pattern to other areas.

[jwells393]

Here I've done some copy and paste using your second picture. I lined up the pattern at the green arrow but it doesn't mesh at the purple arrow.............and I don't see a pattern that can be used to eliminate the ferrules.

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[Buckocaster51]

Jack...when you're doing graphics...there is NO subsitute for resolution!

A little cutting and pasting will do something like this...



This is quick and dirty...full of errors...and only 72dpi...but I think it shows what could be done...

[jwells393]

Looks like you've done it. I bow to you. Like I said, my Photoshop skills are very limited.

That would make a very usable pattern. I don't know how you did it but I do notice it doesn't have all of the original paisley orientations ........ not that it matters.

[Buckocaster51]

But now that I've done it...what should I do with it?



Maybe something like this?

[Nick JD]

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[Nick JD]

How did you do it, Buck?

EDIT: I see! (I also read Jack's analysis). You've eliminated two levels of symmetry! Heh heh

This mind-bending fabric pattern reminds me of that Escher chap.

[lewis]

As to why Fender called it "red" I don't know.

A decade ago I saw an original paisley that was more red than pink.
I have no idea if it was due to exposure or if that was how it was produced but there was little to no pink on that guitar.

[Buckocaster51]

Jack, you are correct, those paisleys are not laying in the right places or at the right angles...but I think it could be done.

The part of the process that has me baffled is how to print it. I am sure that there are industrial strength ink jet printers with 8 ink tanks that can reproduce those vivid colors...and it could probably be printed on clear stock.

The silver though has me baffled. When I look at my '84...the silver has a texture to it. Almost like it has been crinkled and then made smooth again...or run through some kind of embosser...not the paisleys though...only the silver. Almost like they used some sort of two part/layer process.

Never having had the REAL DEAL in my hands, I don't know if they look the same.

Checkerboards? I understand checkeboards, but this paisley stuff is black magic.

[Nick JD]

I can get surfboard decals printed on ricepaper (jeweler's tissue) - twenty bucks for 45cm x 45cm. Very high resolution and in waterbased inks that won't bleed with polyester. Perhaps there's something similar in Iowa.

Ricepaper would go on almost like a headstock decal, 'cept big.