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November 3rd, 2006, 12:54 AM
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essential james burton with haggard!
am not trying to take anything away from roy nichols but here's a list of all the electric james burton post workin' man's blues his last real heavy haggard collaboration in 69:
the longer you wait the bottle let me down' i can't stand me someone else you know i'll lover over you mixed up mess of a heart lonesome fugitive life in prison all of me if you want to be my woman someone told my story whatever happened to me loneliness is eating me alive skid row drink up and be somebody gone crazy james and roy also did a lot of sessions together including mama tried ( james on the acoustic intro ) and bringing home good news par example... there is no doubt that james and the late phil baugh ( swinging doors... ) wrote the blue print on electric chicken' pickin' guitar... and roy jumped on board developing this style while watching james create it... i'll be more than happy to post the electric pre workin' man's blues roy nichols played on without burton too if so desired and you'll see that roy really didn't get to shine until the 3 live albums and after 69 when he started incorporating some of his main jazz influences as he displayed on all that GREAT ESSENTIAL maddox bros. and rose stuff... i'll tell you another thing roy was playing what we now call rockabilly guitar scotty moore style with maddox and rose and that's when he was truly an innovator... this is the late 40s and it sounds nothing like junior parker and his main blue flame floyd murphy ( yes brother of that other murph... ) to me there's a lot of early nichols fused with chet and merle in scotty... much moreso than floyd murphy, willie johnson or pat hare ever where... don't know why i'm writing this know, maybe because i'm back at figuring out all those burton beauties on the merle records right now due to some possible work or because i still get uptied everytime i read how great roy nichols was on all those seminal haggard tracks that were really burton's work... that all said i love roy nichols and love the terry downs DVD, GET IT!!! tj |
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November 3rd, 2006, 04:29 PM
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Well olewichita, it's hard to disagree with you.
Though I love both Roy and James, I think one can't deny that James Burton wrote the blue print on the chicken' pickin' guitar style. And I already got Terry Downs' Roy Nichols DVD, thank you.  |
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November 4th, 2006, 12:31 AM
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Hey there olewichita,
This is a great post. Thanks for sharing great information. I'm looking for you to keep me honest about all this stuff.  Your information is exactly what I've been able to collect as well. When all that stuff came out, everybody assumed it was Roy. It wasn't until years later, I found the truth. Once I began listening more critically, it was easier to discern the difference. Burton used smaller diameter strings, so it was more twangy and slinky.Maybe you can help me out. My mistery solo is on "Big Time Annie's Square" on Haggard's "California Cottonfields" album. It should be Roy, but I think it sounds like Burton. I've been meaning to ask Bobby Wayne, but I always forget when we talk. Do you know who played that solo? Another one to mention is the solo in "The Girl Turned Ripe...and pickers came today"...what a solo!!! I included my interpretation of "Swinging Doors" on my new video. I told Phil Baugh's daughter about that, and how I recognized him for playing the original parts. I need to get her a copy soon, so she can laugh at a hack trying to copy her dad. 
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November 7th, 2006, 01:09 AM
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dear terry et al...
i'll share the rest soon... i have it all written down... i know the songs you're talking about but have to spend some time with them... i'll post everything i'll have until 69 except the bonnie owens stuff and the live albums... thanks for being appreceative... about every two years i have to post this because there's so much misconception... burton did do stuff here and there throughout the 70s too terry... i asked him... but i'll dig up some more nitty gritty soon! i can already tell you the girl turned ripe is phil baugh it was done during the swinging doors session... best, tj
BTW, if you don't have terry's DVD GIT IT!!! it's wonderful... Last edited by olewichita : November 7th, 2006 at 01:15 AM. Reason: C.R.S. |
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November 7th, 2006, 01:36 AM
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olewichita,
thanks for this thread. I love this music and I dig all the players, but it is very helpful to know who did what... it makes it more human for me, more real and makes me realize the huge accomplishments of guys like James Burton.
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November 7th, 2006, 01:59 AM
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i've opened another thread with all the burton / haggard info...
i first compiled my own list while from ronnie dawson's haggard LPs while i lived and toured with him throughout 94/98... ronnie considered merle haggard and especially jerry lee lewis the greatest post williams/frizzell/rodgers country singers of all time... i have to agree... anyway, later i got most of it verified by the bear family box-set and i wasn't far off and found out loads of other stuff... par example, i always thought the phil baugh stuff was james too...
tj "i've been from tuscon to tucumcari, tehachapi to tonapah..." ( i really have more or less! ) Last edited by olewichita : November 7th, 2006 at 02:12 AM. Reason: C.R.S. |
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April 23rd, 2008, 01:04 PM
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olewichita, I read your post here, and it's obvious you've compiled a lot of info that answers questions i've had for years. i have a long list of haggard tracks where i've catalogued solos/fills, and worked on decoding them for my own playing and teaching. i'd appreciate any help from you as far as who played on what track, either posted or emailed to me. i love roy and james, but it would be helpful to know who played which part! if nothing else, i'd like to know who's influencing me when i steal licks.
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April 23rd, 2008, 04:09 PM
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April 23rd, 2008, 05:40 PM
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i guess i should get on it...
i'll have to see what i have left... in a moment of insanity i threw away almost all my guitar and music related clippings/articles/notes last year... but i'm pretty sure i kept my notes on all the pre-69 haggard stuff... i too love corn pickin' elliot... i played it at a friend's wedding just last week! tj |
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April 23rd, 2008, 05:48 PM
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Most (but not all) of these tracks are on Haggard's "I'm A Lonesome Fugitive" LP, which I still have on vinyl. Burton and Mooney just take you to school on that one, almost every track. The Gold Standard of chicken pickin'!
You can order it from Amazon here. It is also available in MP3 download from Amazon. Well worth it for those in need.
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April 23rd, 2008, 06:32 PM
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Good info, thanks!
Burton was my second Tele role model... Steve Cropper was the first, and so first electric was a Fenix Tele, when I was 17. It took me another ten years to start to appreciate country (even though JB reckons he was always a rockabilly player, I gather), via Gram Parsons & Burton's playing. Never looked back! |
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April 23rd, 2008, 09:27 PM
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And his Dobro playing on the Jimmie Rodgers tribute? Well, it just doesn't get any tastier, sweeter or more melodic. Let's face it the guy never played a bad note in his life!
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April 23rd, 2008, 09:28 PM
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April 23rd, 2008, 11:35 PM
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'Ya gotta love this guys threads !.. Yhis is what a "Telecaster " forum is all about !! i must confess,I always thought most of those songs there were Roy Nichols. Every time I heard "The Lonesome Fugitive",I pictured Roy playing it. But whoever played in "working Mans blues" ,I always skipped over it,Because of that single repeated note [from behind the bridge],that for some reason annoyed the hell out of me. Cool, TJ . Whoops,a Tele' doesn't have a "behind the bridge",does it ??? Maybe at the headstock??
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April 23rd, 2008, 11:44 PM
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April 24th, 2008, 01:58 AM
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No argument here! BTW, are any of you guys fans of Amos Garrett? His duet stuff with Buddy Cage in Ian and Sylvia's Great Speckled Bird is incredible, not to mention the stuff with Geoff and Maria Muldaur, Butterfield's Better Days, etc. I love his playing-big influence on me...
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April 24th, 2008, 11:06 AM
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April 24th, 2008, 12:06 PM
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Hi Elliott
I met you a long time ago when I was playing with Rick Nelson. You're a tasty player, friend. I'm a big fan of your work. Amos's solo on Midnight At The Oasis is one of my all time faves. He's a great player. Often overlooked. Take care, man John Beland www.johnbeland.com
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