1st Session with new AllParts neck

flyingb54 · June 1st, 2006, 10:45 PM

I was asked to guest on a CD by the band Woodbelly in San Antonio last weekend. Great band with an amazing lead singer. They asked me to play Tele BBender, so I got a chance to try out my Tele with the new AllParts Fat neck for the first time on a session, and it performed unbelievable. What a difference. Played like my old Ricky Nelson Tele, thanks to the work of Rich Rice.

If your into getting the feel of an old, very old, Tele..I reccomend getting one of the AllParts fat necks. It made all the difference in the world.
Hope you get a chance to catch Woodbelly if they play in your town. These guys do it all...Regge, jazz, rock, and yes, country. Fantastic band who Im sure you're going to hear more about. I believe their website is www.woodbelly.com
JB
www.johnbeland.com

SteveY · June 1st, 2006, 11:03 PM

Good deal. Thanks.
I like AllParts stuff more and more.

My skinny MIJ Tele neck could be a candidate for a fat AllParts replacement (to go with the CS Nocaster pu's).
I think the bodie's ash under all the glop.

Wild Rice Chris · June 2nd, 2006, 11:23 AM

Nice John, glad it works good for you.

Here's John's guitar, for your viewing pleasure:

Did you see the latest one we did? This one isn't an Allparts neck, it's even thicker with no truss rod. The camera flash washed out the fingerboard, it isn't that light.

Chris Rice
http://www.ricecustomguitars.com

Pete Galati · June 2nd, 2006, 12:33 PM

Chris, what're your first impresions of the sound of the new Tele with no truss rod? Does it seem like the action will stay relatively stable without one?

Pete

Rich Rice · June 2nd, 2006, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Galati

Chris, what're your first impresions of the sound of the new Tele with no truss rod? Does it seem like the action will stay relatively stable without one?

Pete

Pete, let me interject here, since Chris isn't around. We built it as an experiment, and Chris is now keeping it. :) I can't seem to stop playing it!

Wild Rice Chris · June 2nd, 2006, 02:37 PM

It isn't moving anywhere. At 1.05" thick and quartersawn...

This thing has a punch that I haven't heard before. Combined with Don Mare 2324 pickups, great sound, full clear and punchy, yet still bright and twangy. Just think of every positive adjective you've described a guitar's tone with and they all apply to this instrument. 8)

Ronkirn · June 2nd, 2006, 02:52 PM

The best sounding Tele I ever did was one with the Allparts Fat Neck on a very light Ash body and Barden pups... I had a hard time shipping that rascal out....

I have done 2 others with thinner necks that didn't come close... just amazing balance and tone, the articulation was incredible.

Ron Kirn

TELE_BLUES · June 2nd, 2006, 06:41 PM

The fat neck/light body combo has always worked well on my partscasters.The latest one is a 2 piece poplar hollow tele with a throw away grade 1/4" maple top. I made it a year or so ago as a test run for thinline routing templates i made.Last week i stuck an ALLPARTS TMNF-FAT tele neck on it and wired it up with a set of O.C. DUFF's ,oh baby what a combo.The sound is fat and round with perfect string to string balance.I think i might try out the idea i had to make a GHOST TELE knockoff out of it.

odiemann · June 2nd, 2006, 07:12 PM

I have been searching for a neck for a 52-53 RI project, this may be a good one. I like the spunk in your endorsement of it. How much do they run finished?

Ronkirn · June 2nd, 2006, 07:36 PM

they're about 260 finsihed and shipped... not to shabby.

Ron Kirn

GuitarJonz · June 2nd, 2006, 10:33 PM

What exact Allparts model was the JohnB neck? Did it have a factory nitro finish that was reliced, or did it come unfinished and a relic finish was added?

Rich Rice · June 2nd, 2006, 11:05 PM

I provided John with a TMO-FAT neck, the unfinished AP necks come with a sealer on them. I stripped it, reshaped it, rolled the edges, dressed the frets, smoothed and rounded the fret ends, and applied aniline dyes, nitro lacquer, and a few other ingredients. Then added the wear and caused the nitro to fail in strategic spots. It's not about causing damage, it's more like applying a distressed finish while paying close attention to where the natural wear should occur over years of careful use.

odiemann · June 3rd, 2006, 12:14 AM

Rice

What's the price?

Slim · June 3rd, 2006, 12:38 PM

Chris and Rich, I have liked every guitar I've seen that you guy's worked on.

Rich Rice · June 3rd, 2006, 01:04 PM

It's real nice of you to say so.

Walter Broes · June 3rd, 2006, 03:13 PM

I have one of those Allparts fat necks on my esquire parts-o-caster, and love it too. It's really big, and I love the bigger frets and 9.5 radius.

harlycarly · June 3rd, 2006, 03:24 PM

Thanks for the report, John. Nice to know when something turns out as good or better than your expectations.

Chris & Rich obviously go the extra distance to add some touches that make things come together. Nice work, guys!

But man......... no I know the seed has been planted and I'm gonna end up with one of those Fat necks on yet another tele someday.

harlycarly · June 3rd, 2006, 03:38 PM

the AllParts site says the TMO-Fat necks come unfinished but you guys said they have a sealer on them. Does this mean that the neck could concievably be used without atually putting a finish on it? Any potential problems down the line with that, or do you recommend some type of additional finish??

I realize you needed to strip John's to apply the aged look, but would the sealer itself be enough to hold up over the years????

Nab doggit! I'm gonna be pondering this stuff in my head now, I can just tell.........

Ronkirn · June 3rd, 2006, 04:51 PM

The filler is a clear sanding filler. It doesn't really protect the wood much.

A neck really needs to be sealed with at least a couple of coats of a clear coat, if for no other reason to keep the atmospheric humidity from making it swell and shrink through the seasons of the year.

If you have a precision setup, that would be the difference between being able to play it and not.

Ron Kirn

Rich Rice · June 3rd, 2006, 09:15 PM

I don't know how long it would last, but the "unfinished" AP necks are definitely sealed with *something*. My guess is it is a stabilizer to keep them sealed on the trip over here from Japan. They ship by boat, and if it was raw wood, the transit would kill them before they got here.

USACG will send a raw neck, and it accepts stains/dyes as only completely raw wood will. AllParts will accept tints too evenly to be raw wood, and since acetone doesn't strip the coating my guess would be some type of very thin polyester coating. I'd still put something over it...

harlycarly · June 4th, 2006, 09:14 PM

will act accordingly if I ever get to buying one.

johnny guitar · June 13th, 2006, 03:25 PM

ok, the analogy with a beautiful woman fails with my subject line, but the Chris and Rich Rice Blackguard tele I just bought, with the fat Musikraft neck and light ash body (the guitar weighs about 6.5 lbs. and is the one discussed in this thread), has the best sound I have ever heard from a guitar. From reading this thread, it sounds like the fat neck/light body is a magical combo for teles. I guess this is the idea of the Nocaster as well. I reviewed their (now my) beautiful guitar here at tdpri.

Tedecaster · June 14th, 2006, 05:50 AM

I got an unfinished Allparts neck a while back and it was only the fingerboard that was sealed. Someone on th TDPRI thought it was "nelsonite", which I hadn't heard of (limited info on the web, too). I ended up scraping it off. Alot of work. Your's really came out nice.

Rich Rice · June 14th, 2006, 06:40 AM

Nelsonite is the stuff Musikraft uses to seal their necks. It's different from the sealer on the AllParts necks. AllParts necks are sealed with something tougher than Nelsonite.

June 1st, 2006, 10:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
flyingb54 Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: BRENHAM TEXAS Age: 59 Posts: 810	1st Session with new AllParts neck I was asked to guest on a CD by the band Woodbelly in San Antonio last weekend. Great band with an amazing lead singer. They asked me to play Tele BBender, so I got a chance to try out my Tele with the new AllParts Fat neck for the first time on a session, and it performed unbelievable. What a difference. Played like my old Ricky Nelson Tele, thanks to the work of Rich Rice. If your into getting the feel of an old, very old, Tele..I reccomend getting one of the AllParts fat necks. It made all the difference in the world. Hope you get a chance to catch Woodbelly if they play in your town. These guys do it all...Regge, jazz, rock, and yes, country. Fantastic band who Im sure you're going to hear more about. I believe their website is www.woodbelly.com JB www.johnbeland.com __________________ "Son, that has nothing to do with nothin'"....Bill Monroe

June 2nd, 2006, 11:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
Wild Rice Chris Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Rice Custom Dungeon Posts: 2,805 24 Photos	Nice John, glad it works good for you. Here's John's guitar, for your viewing pleasure: Did you see the latest one we did? This one isn't an Allparts neck, it's even thicker with no truss rod. The camera flash washed out the fingerboard, it isn't that light. Chris Rice http://www.ricecustomguitars.com __________________ --Insert Signature Here-- Enjoy, and please visit my homepage.

June 2nd, 2006, 02:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Wild Rice Chris Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Rice Custom Dungeon Posts: 2,805 24 Photos	It isn't moving anywhere. At 1.05" thick and quartersawn... This thing has a punch that I haven't heard before. Combined with Don Mare 2324 pickups, great sound, full clear and punchy, yet still bright and twangy. Just think of every positive adjective you've described a guitar's tone with and they all apply to this instrument. 8) __________________ --Insert Signature Here-- Enjoy, and please visit my homepage.

June 2nd, 2006, 02:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ronkirn Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 62 Posts: 2,413	best sounding Tele I ever did The best sounding Tele I ever did was one with the Allparts Fat Neck on a very light Ash body and Barden pups... I had a hard time shipping that rascal out.... I have done 2 others with thinner necks that didn't come close... just amazing balance and tone, the articulation was incredible. Ron Kirn

June 2nd, 2006, 06:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
TELE_BLUES Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ROCKCHESTER,NEW YORK Posts: 436 34 Photos	ALLPARTS NECK The fat neck/light body combo has always worked well on my partscasters.The latest one is a 2 piece poplar hollow tele with a throw away grade 1/4" maple top. I made it a year or so ago as a test run for thinline routing templates i made.Last week i stuck an ALLPARTS TMNF-FAT tele neck on it and wired it up with a set of O.C. DUFF's ,oh baby what a combo.The sound is fat and round with perfect string to string balance.I think i might try out the idea i had to make a GHOST TELE knockoff out of it.

June 1st, 2006, 11:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
SteveY Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Age: 58 Posts: 1,381	Good deal. Thanks. I like AllParts stuff more and more. My skinny MIJ Tele neck could be a candidate for a fat AllParts replacement (to go with the CS Nocaster pu's). I think the bodie's ash under all the glop.

June 2nd, 2006, 12:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
Pete Galati R.I.P. Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,104 2 Photos	Chris, what're your first impresions of the sound of the new Tele with no truss rod? Does it seem like the action will stay relatively stable without one? Pete

June 2nd, 2006, 07:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
odiemann Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Age: 41 Posts: 1,406	Cool! I have been searching for a neck for a 52-53 RI project, this may be a good one. I like the spunk in your endorsement of it. How much do they run finished?

June 2nd, 2006, 07:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ronkirn Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 62 Posts: 2,413	not to shabby they're about 260 finsihed and shipped... not to shabby. Ron Kirn

June 2nd, 2006, 10:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
GuitarJonz Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Mass. Posts: 2,650 7 Photos	What exact Allparts model was the JohnB neck? Did it have a factory nitro finish that was reliced, or did it come unfinished and a relic finish was added?

June 2nd, 2006, 11:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rich Rice Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In a dream world.. Just ask my wife. Age: 53 Posts: 2,503 11 Photos	I provided John with a TMO-FAT neck, the unfinished AP necks come with a sealer on them. I stripped it, reshaped it, rolled the edges, dressed the frets, smoothed and rounded the fret ends, and applied aniline dyes, nitro lacquer, and a few other ingredients. Then added the wear and caused the nitro to fail in strategic spots. It's not about causing damage, it's more like applying a distressed finish while paying close attention to where the natural wear should occur over years of careful use. __________________ Please visit my website! If you are driven to play, you will find a way.

June 3rd, 2006, 12:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
odiemann Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Age: 41 Posts: 1,406	cost Rice What's the price?

June 3rd, 2006, 12:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
Slim Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Fayetteville, AR Posts: 306	Chris and Rich, I have liked every guitar I've seen that you guy's worked on.

June 3rd, 2006, 01:04 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rich Rice Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In a dream world.. Just ask my wife. Age: 53 Posts: 2,503 11 Photos	Thanks Slim It's real nice of you to say so. __________________ Please visit my website! If you are driven to play, you will find a way.

June 3rd, 2006, 03:13 PM	#16 (permalink)
Walter Broes Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Age: 38 Posts: 427	I have one of those Allparts fat necks on my esquire parts-o-caster, and love it too. It's really big, and I love the bigger frets and 9.5 radius.

June 3rd, 2006, 03:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
harlycarly Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Republik of Vermont Posts: 636	Cool! Thanks for the report, John. Nice to know when something turns out as good or better than your expectations. Chris & Rich obviously go the extra distance to add some touches that make things come together. Nice work, guys! But man......... no I know the seed has been planted and I'm gonna end up with one of those Fat necks on yet another tele someday.

June 3rd, 2006, 03:38 PM	#18 (permalink)
harlycarly Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Republik of Vermont Posts: 636	hmmmmm....... another question...... the AllParts site says the TMO-Fat necks come unfinished but you guys said they have a sealer on them. Does this mean that the neck could concievably be used without atually putting a finish on it? Any potential problems down the line with that, or do you recommend some type of additional finish?? I realize you needed to strip John's to apply the aged look, but would the sealer itself be enough to hold up over the years???? Nab doggit! I'm gonna be pondering this stuff in my head now, I can just tell.........

June 3rd, 2006, 04:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
Ronkirn Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 62 Posts: 2,413	The difference between being able to play it and not The filler is a clear sanding filler. It doesn't really protect the wood much. A neck really needs to be sealed with at least a couple of coats of a clear coat, if for no other reason to keep the atmospheric humidity from making it swell and shrink through the seasons of the year. If you have a precision setup, that would be the difference between being able to play it and not. Ron Kirn

June 3rd, 2006, 09:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
Rich Rice Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In a dream world.. Just ask my wife. Age: 53 Posts: 2,503 11 Photos	I don't know how long it would last, but the "unfinished" AP necks are definitely sealed with something. My guess is it is a stabilizer to keep them sealed on the trip over here from Japan. They ship by boat, and if it was raw wood, the transit would kill them before they got here. USACG will send a raw neck, and it accepts stains/dyes as only completely raw wood will. AllParts will accept tints too evenly to be raw wood, and since acetone doesn't strip the coating my guess would be some type of very thin polyester coating. I'd still put something over it... __________________ Please visit my website! If you are driven to play, you will find a way.

June 4th, 2006, 09:14 PM	#21 (permalink)
harlycarly Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Republik of Vermont Posts: 636	thanks, Rich will act accordingly if I ever get to buying one.

June 13th, 2006, 03:25 PM	#22 (permalink)
johnny guitar Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago NW burb Age: 45 Posts: 196	Fat neck, light body... ok, the analogy with a beautiful woman fails with my subject line, but the Chris and Rich Rice Blackguard tele I just bought, with the fat Musikraft neck and light ash body (the guitar weighs about 6.5 lbs. and is the one discussed in this thread), has the best sound I have ever heard from a guitar. From reading this thread, it sounds like the fat neck/light body is a magical combo for teles. I guess this is the idea of the Nocaster as well. I reviewed their (now my) beautiful guitar here at tdpri.

June 14th, 2006, 05:50 AM	#23 (permalink)
Tedecaster Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Greensboro, Vermont Posts: 1,018 26 Photos	I got an unfinished Allparts neck a while back and it was only the fingerboard that was sealed. Someone on th TDPRI thought it was "nelsonite", which I hadn't heard of (limited info on the web, too). I ended up scraping it off. Alot of work. Your's really came out nice.

June 14th, 2006, 06:40 AM	#24 (permalink)
Rich Rice Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In a dream world.. Just ask my wife. Age: 53 Posts: 2,503 11 Photos	Nelsonite is the stuff Musikraft uses to seal their necks. It's different from the sealer on the AllParts necks. AllParts necks are sealed with something tougher than Nelsonite. __________________ Please visit my website! If you are driven to play, you will find a way.