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Michael Murphy · August 2nd, 2003, 09:52 AM

Saw this eBay link on the FDP, and just had to bring it over here:

Ummmm, yeah- right.....

This guy needs a clue in the worst kinda way.

-Michael
Charter Member S. Texas He-Man Emoticon Haters Local #316

da dougster · August 2nd, 2003, 10:07 AM

Oh my word, somebody get me a nurse I think I hurt meself laughing..

Telecaster · August 2nd, 2003, 10:23 AM

-You can tell that this guy knows his Stones facts. I can't believe that after all these years I was removing the wrong E string. No wonder why I can't get that authentic Keith sound. Mick Taylor played a Strat? I always thought he played a Les Paul, silly me. I got a lesson in Stones trivia today. If Keith played a Squire Affinity in 68-71(when the tracks for Exile were recorded). they are certainly good enough for me. I am going to have to do a search on EBay for a late 60's early 70's Squire now. By the way who is Amyl Nitrite Marimbas?

Steve Perry · August 2nd, 2003, 10:29 AM

...to have the word "DUMBA$$" tattooed in reverse on his forehead so that every time he looks in a mirror he can be reminded of what an idiot he is!

genelovesjez · August 2nd, 2003, 10:31 AM

...with the high E string removed, even. Doesn't get any more authentic than that. Frankly, I think this guy might have been better off buying a Picasso for $18,000. This guy should be featured on my new favourite show, "Stupid Behaviour Caught on Tape".

jimmiboots · August 2nd, 2003, 10:47 AM

I can't even make fun of this guy. Whoever is pawning this crap off on these poor geriatric cruise takers should be shot. I'm sure the Picassos are prints....

Brutalblues · August 2nd, 2003, 11:19 AM

And the worst part is the picture of this poor guy beaming with pride at his once in a lifetime find! I bet he "stole it" !!!!!!

wademp · August 2nd, 2003, 01:12 PM

Poor guy, you don't know if he really doesn't know or thinks he can find someone who doesn't know to BUY IT NOW for $10,000!!

T-Joe · August 2nd, 2003, 01:17 PM

I bought Jimmy Bryant's BC Rich for only $4000!

jimmiboots · August 2nd, 2003, 01:35 PM

Please don't put Mr. Bryant's name in the same sentance as you-know-who......

O- Fender · August 2nd, 2003, 01:35 PM

Should someone email him and spill the beans?

Or should we just see how far this goes?

Mark W. · August 2nd, 2003, 01:41 PM

After I finished laughing I wondered,.... do folks use the "email seller a question" screen and tell this guy he's been duped. Somebody should link his seller questions page to this subject thread. I'd love to find out what he paid for it.

jimmiboots · August 2nd, 2003, 02:02 PM

Tell the guy, that is. what if his wife finds out that he spent $?000 on something he should have known better than to buy at all? I don't want the guilt of this guy's suicide, divorce, or murder on my conscience....

Wait, on second thought, what if the guitar was grossly misrepresented on the boat, maybe he could get his loot back? I'm going to email him right now....

hiptone · August 2nd, 2003, 02:19 PM

Jimmi

I've been on those cruises and witnessed those auctions. It's a sad deal, that's for sure. Let us know what he says about the deal he "made"

genelovesjez · August 2nd, 2003, 03:34 PM

...but these types of scams play both on people's staggering ignorance and on their greed. Even the most slackjawed yokel must wonder why an original Picasso would be going for $18,000. On an economy cruise, no less. I'm sure these types of auction are done with a wink that says, "Don't ask where we got it...".
If this guy really had the guitar checked out by a professional musician as he claims, then he should know it's a fake.

What's especially sad is that the scammers went for the cheapest guitar possible - they wouldn't even pony up the dough for a 50s classic that at least looks the part!

August 2nd, 2003, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by genelovesjez

... these types of scams play both on people's staggering ignorance and on their greed.

Neither of which should be underestimated. Years ago I read an article (in Playboy, perhaps?) from a writer who'd spent a summer working with Customs inspectors at a U.S. airport. He had lots of very funny anecdotes of people's inventive and often pathetic attempts to smuggle contraband into the country and/or avoid import duties.

But the capper was some poor schlub who tried to come through Customs with a poorly-constructed false bottom in his suitcase, under which were hidden a number of apparently ancient Roman coins -- bearing dates like "79 B.C." (!). Which prompted the inspector to ask the would-be smuggler, "B.C., huh? How did they know?" -- CS
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Mark Davis · August 2nd, 2003, 04:29 PM

Someone should shoot this guy in the head with a crossbow. hahaha

My question is why does EBay let these ads stay online. Its a fraud for sure that Tele wasnt even made when that album came out. This guy is as dumb as a box of rocks.

TwinReverb · August 2nd, 2003, 04:45 PM

in August? Or is this a scam just waiting for a victim?? BTW....nice autograph on the pickguard below the strings.

Bonus: two color signing

Chrismeyer · August 2nd, 2003, 04:52 PM

I can't even laugh,I always respond to stuff like that with this look of disbelief and disgust.
It's just scary! The guitar was probably a give-away from a radio station,with actual autographs from the band.They always use Squires.The cruse probably got it,then the fraud began,with the story and the stuff about the album it was used on,gosh,it's giving me that look on my face right now,anyway,it's sad for sure.

O- Fender · August 2nd, 2003, 04:56 PM

To be fair, Mark, I don't know if I'd classify this guy as dumb.

He probably wants to make a few bucks on ebay like he hears other people do. He is just gullible enough to think this is legit and greedy enough to go through with it. He's probably looking forward to tellng all the guys at work what a killing he made on ebay and not stopping to think that something is wrong.

I imagine he knows about buying cheap and selling for a profit. His error is not knowing diddly squat about guitars.

The post from Chris S. about the Roman coin reminds me of one I heard years ago. Someone tried to sell a coin marked "Queen Elizabeth I".

I guess I feel sorry for the guy because I came very close to making a similar "investment" in something I knew very little about.

Mark Davis · August 2nd, 2003, 06:45 PM

Doesnt look like the sharpest knife in the drawer to me? hahaha

cg73cmc · August 2nd, 2003, 09:30 PM

He's also got a Jay Tursor strat that was played by Jimmi Hendrix on "Purple Haze".

Really ... :P

Steven · August 3rd, 2003, 01:59 AM

That man can actually be the dumbest person on earth

! The only one who could beat him is the one who buys that peace of crap. Just imagine someone sitting in front of his computer getting ready to use the "buy it now" function...

Pedalworld · August 3rd, 2003, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Joe

I bought Jimmy Bryant's BC Rich for only $4000!

oh man?!.......

That doesn't look like Keefs sig to me anyway.

I think the recording it was used on was...

"Eks-aisle on MANE street"

markophonic · August 3rd, 2003, 03:34 AM

"There's a wanker born every minute"

PatrickG · August 3rd, 2003, 04:13 AM

I honestly think this man deserves some kind of award. Or crowned the official mascot of eBay idiots. In fact, if you printed up t-shirts with his photo and the word "IDIOT" underneath, I would wear it proudly.

Anyway, I would love to know how much he paid for it.

MikefromOZ · August 3rd, 2003, 05:11 AM

The worst thing, is this guy will carry that pic in his wallet to show all his freinds his great axe.this guy is his own worst enemy. he also just baught a dvd of the Titanic movie signed by All the original Ship,s crew.

da dougster · August 3rd, 2003, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by genelovesjez

...but these types of scams play both on people's staggering ignorance and on their greed. Even the most slackjawed yokel must wonder why an original Picasso would be going for $18,000. On an economy cruise, no less.

Hell, even a $38,000 Picasso is pretty ridiculous.

swingin guitarman · August 3rd, 2003, 10:09 AM

Chances are, the guy just didn't know and the cruise line "Auction Experts" simply misrepresented the guitar. I sent him the following email. I'll let you know if I receive any response.

I saw your Telecaster guitar for sale on EBay. I read your description and was a bit surprised. I'm sure you bought the guitar in good faith from your cruise's art auctioneers, but this guitar could not possibly have been used to record the Rolling Stones' "Exile on Main Street" album.

The "Exile on Main Street" album was recorded in 1971-1972. The Squire Affinity Telecasters were not made until the mid 1990's. Mick Taylor had long since left the band, and was replaced by Ron Wood.

Keith Richards typically uses 1950's Telecasters with maple fretboards. He does remove one of the E strings from his guitar, in fact making it a five-string, but it is NOT the string removed on your guitar. He removes the E string on the opposite side of the fretboard.

There has been a fair amount of discussion regarding this auction on the internet guitar boards. Your EBay feedback record doesn't indicate a problem with misrepresented or fraudulent auctions. I am of the belief that the guitar may have been misrepresented to you by the cruise "Auction Experts." As such, you may want to reconsider your auction.

I do not know what you paid for the guitar. The guitar has some added value since it was signed by the Stones, however the value shouldn't have exceeded $1000. If the cruise line auctioneers represented this guitar has one used on the "Exile on Main Street" album you did not receive goods as advertised. If you paid a premium for the guitar based on it's reported usage I would recommend contacting the cruise line, the auction house, and your attorney.

T-Joe · August 3rd, 2003, 01:38 PM

if there is no recourse for the poor sod because the auction was held in international waters. US laws do not apply outside of territorial waters. Maybe this is the reason that these discount auctions are found on cruise ships. Oh those darned scammers, they are sneaky!

shuggie1 · August 3rd, 2003, 10:32 PM

man,
i hope this guy has finally gotten the clue........
if he has,he must feel like i did when i bought the extra "blinker fluid" for my first used bus..........ha ha...

it's quite sad that people will run B.S scams on folks that dont know much about gtrs.
but on the other hand,
i love the description.
it's just too funny..............
guess i gotta go to the woodshed and take the"53" tele w/the coronado neck and antigua painted p.u wires.(it's the one ace frehley played on the first
yanni cd way back in"67"..
and plug it in to my laney super auto suck w/matchless reeds..............
ha ha ha
take care.........
shuggie

da dougster · August 4th, 2003, 01:19 AM

"This is one of the great American rip-offs." Janice Shaffer of Dallastown, Pa, paid Princess Cruises $800 for paintings of a lion and a zebra, "supposedly originals of top quality. Shopping at Penney's one day — guess what they were selling ... my paintings for $65 apiece on sale. The identical same thing, frame and all."

From a USA Today article about cruise ship auctions. I'd no idea that they were this prevelant. Then again I get seasick.......

telemann51 · August 4th, 2003, 01:48 AM

I think the email was an eye-opener for him. Poor guy - from his feedback (100% positive) he just got duped. Sending the email was a Good Thing. Thank you for taking the time to send such a carefully worded email.

boogaloo · August 4th, 2003, 11:22 AM

"Ship Of Fools" -forgot who the artist was. 'Scuse me whilst I put the high E tuner back on my guitar......

Joe K · August 4th, 2003, 11:52 AM

He removed the item from E-Bay. It was nice of you to alert him.

If there is any truth to anything in this poor guy's story, maybe there was a misunderstanding and the seller meant that the guitar was autographed by the Stones that played on Exile, or even that the sale of the guitar includes a copy of Exile. Whether or not either of those are true, one thing is for sure, the seller on the ship had some STONES (to make that claim!)

swingin guitarman · August 4th, 2003, 12:03 PM

I never received a reply to my email, but I see he ended the auction early. I'm glad to see he didn't let it go as is.

Even though he bought the guitar while in international waters, the auction company is usually bound by the laws of the United States. Cruise lines don't like the negative reputation that would come as a result of a misrepresented auction item. I think if he follows through with the cruise line and the auction house he should be able to get a full refund.

This should serve as a warning. It's estimated over half the signed memorabilia floating around the marketplace is fake. I saw an interview on TV with Sammy Sosa. The interviewer was showing him signed samples of baseballs, bats, hats, etc. Sammy reconized half the stuff was bogus, and had never been signed by him.

Telecaster · August 4th, 2003, 03:25 PM

After my rant above, I now realize that this poor guy is the one that got taken by a scam, not the one trying to scam someone else. I feel sorry for him.

Doug S. · August 4th, 2003, 03:58 PM

Don't be fooled by high feedback ratings on eBay. I'm not saying this guy is a scammer, but I know of eBay sellers with feedbacks in the 1400+ range who make their living on eBay selling repro and fake **** and other medals. Yes, there are that many suckers born every minute......

LPBlue · August 4th, 2003, 04:56 PM

ROTFLMFAO! Keef's Exile Tele, it's only had two new necks and three new bodies over the years but it's the real deal

. I don't think the guy was trying to screw anyone, I think he got boned. If the autographs are real it has to be worth something but not 5k.
J.R.

Doug S. · August 4th, 2003, 05:20 PM

Why was my reference to an historical political party censored? It was not foul language nor was it a flame. Are we censoring history now?

August 2nd, 2003, 09:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
Michael Murphy Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: I can hit the Pacific Ocean and/or Canada with a rock from here... Age: 63 Posts: 1,207	"Exile on Main Street" Tele available!! Saw this eBay link on the FDP, and just had to bring it over here: Ummmm, yeah- right..... This guy needs a clue in the worst kinda way. -Michael Charter Member S. Texas He-Man Emoticon Haters Local #316 __________________ *Just an analog boy in a digital world...*

August 2nd, 2003, 10:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
da dougster Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Beautiful downtown Ayuh Posts: 300	Those 1972 Affinty Squier's are pretty rare Oh my word, somebody get me a nurse I think I hurt meself laughing.. __________________ "Somebody set up us the bomb!!"

August 2nd, 2003, 10:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
Telecaster Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 182	WOW! I gotta have it! -You can tell that this guy knows his Stones facts. I can't believe that after all these years I was removing the wrong E string. No wonder why I can't get that authentic Keith sound. Mick Taylor played a Strat? I always thought he played a Les Paul, silly me. I got a lesson in Stones trivia today. If Keith played a Squire Affinity in 68-71(when the tracks for Exile were recorded). they are certainly good enough for me. I am going to have to do a search on EBay for a late 60's early 70's Squire now. By the way who is Amyl Nitrite Marimbas? __________________ I have the gear, now all I need to do is learn to play music with it!

August 2nd, 2003, 10:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
Steve Perry TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Elizabethtown, KY Posts: 54	This guy needs... ...to have the word "DUMBA$$" tattooed in reverse on his forehead so that every time he looks in a mirror he can be reminded of what an idiot he is!

August 2nd, 2003, 10:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
genelovesjez Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 42 Posts: 3,736	That's beautiful... ...with the high E string removed, even. Doesn't get any more authentic than that. Frankly, I think this guy might have been better off buying a Picasso for $18,000. This guy should be featured on my new favourite show, "Stupid Behaviour Caught on Tape".

August 2nd, 2003, 10:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
jimmiboots Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jacksnoville/RIVERSIDE Posts: 361	Too sad I can't even make fun of this guy. Whoever is pawning this crap off on these poor geriatric cruise takers should be shot. I'm sure the Picassos are prints.... __________________ "BoJack, Wrist Wrap. Wrist wrap, BoJack."

August 2nd, 2003, 11:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
Brutalblues Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey, USA Age: 50 Posts: 1,283	P.T. Barnum said it best!!!! And the worst part is the picture of this poor guy beaming with pride at his once in a lifetime find! I bet he "stole it" !!!!!!

August 2nd, 2003, 01:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
wademp TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Elizabethtown, Kentucky Posts: 69	HMMM Poor guy, you don't know if he really doesn't know or thinks he can find someone who doesn't know to BUY IT NOW for $10,000!!

August 2nd, 2003, 01:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
T-Joe Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Whidbey Island,WA Posts: 190	I was on the same cruise! I bought Jimmy Bryant's BC Rich for only $4000! __________________ Cheers from Beer Lake, T-Joe

August 2nd, 2003, 01:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
jimmiboots Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jacksnoville/RIVERSIDE Posts: 361	Oh no.... Please don't put Mr. Bryant's name in the same sentance as you-know-who...... __________________ "BoJack, Wrist Wrap. Wrist wrap, BoJack."

August 2nd, 2003, 01:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
O- Fender Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 463	Should someone email him and spill the beans? Or should we just see how far this goes? __________________ "Unless you are the lead dog, the scenery doesn't change much." - Kinky Friedman "Those who dance are considered insane by those who cannot hear the music" - Anon.

August 2nd, 2003, 01:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mark W. TDPRI Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Spokane, WA. Posts: 64	Keef's Squier..........priceless After I finished laughing I wondered,.... do folks use the "email seller a question" screen and tell this guy he's been duped. Somebody should link his seller questions page to this subject thread. I'd love to find out what he paid for it.

August 2nd, 2003, 02:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
jimmiboots Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jacksnoville/RIVERSIDE Posts: 361	I don't think we should...??? Tell the guy, that is. what if his wife finds out that he spent $?000 on something he should have known better than to buy at all? I don't want the guilt of this guy's suicide, divorce, or murder on my conscience.... Wait, on second thought, what if the guitar was grossly misrepresented on the boat, maybe he could get his loot back? I'm going to email him right now.... __________________ "BoJack, Wrist Wrap. Wrist wrap, BoJack."

August 2nd, 2003, 02:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
hiptone TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 66	Keep us posted on his reply Jimmi I've been on those cruises and witnessed those auctions. It's a sad deal, that's for sure. Let us know what he says about the deal he "made"

August 2nd, 2003, 03:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
genelovesjez Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 42 Posts: 3,736	It is very sad... ...but these types of scams play both on people's staggering ignorance and on their greed. Even the most slackjawed yokel must wonder why an original Picasso would be going for $18,000. On an economy cruise, no less. I'm sure these types of auction are done with a wink that says, "Don't ask where we got it...". If this guy really had the guitar checked out by a professional musician as he claims, then he should know it's a fake. What's especially sad is that the scammers went for the cheapest guitar possible - they wouldn't even pony up the dough for a 50s classic that at least looks the part!

August 2nd, 2003, 04:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
Mark Davis Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bakersfield Ca. Age: 59 Posts: 17,168	Someone should shoot this guy in the head with a crossbow. hahaha My question is why does EBay let these ads stay online. Its a fraud for sure that Tele wasnt even made when that album came out. This guy is as dumb as a box of rocks.

August 2nd, 2003, 04:45 PM	#18 (permalink)
TwinReverb Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 482	April fool..... in August? Or is this a scam just waiting for a victim?? BTW....nice autograph on the pickguard below the strings. Bonus: two color signing

August 2nd, 2003, 04:52 PM	#19 (permalink)
Chrismeyer Tele-Holic Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Age: 35 Posts: 662	You know.... I can't even laugh,I always respond to stuff like that with this look of disbelief and disgust. It's just scary! The guitar was probably a give-away from a radio station,with actual autographs from the band.They always use Squires.The cruse probably got it,then the fraud began,with the story and the stuff about the album it was used on,gosh,it's giving me that look on my face right now,anyway,it's sad for sure.

August 2nd, 2003, 04:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
O- Fender Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 463	To be fair, Mark, I don't know if I'd classify this guy as dumb. He probably wants to make a few bucks on ebay like he hears other people do. He is just gullible enough to think this is legit and greedy enough to go through with it. He's probably looking forward to tellng all the guys at work what a killing he made on ebay and not stopping to think that something is wrong. I imagine he knows about buying cheap and selling for a profit. His error is not knowing diddly squat about guitars. The post from Chris S. about the Roman coin reminds me of one I heard years ago. Someone tried to sell a coin marked "Queen Elizabeth I". I guess I feel sorry for the guy because I came very close to making a similar "investment" in something I knew very little about. __________________ "Unless you are the lead dog, the scenery doesn't change much." - Kinky Friedman "Those who dance are considered insane by those who cannot hear the music" - Anon.

August 2nd, 2003, 06:45 PM	#21 (permalink)
Mark Davis Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bakersfield Ca. Age: 59 Posts: 17,168	Doesnt look like the sharpest knife in the drawer to me? hahaha

August 2nd, 2003, 09:30 PM	#22 (permalink)
cg73cmc Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 47 Posts: 828	Hey, I know that guy! He's also got a Jay Tursor strat that was played by Jimmi Hendrix on "Purple Haze". Really ... :P __________________ Take Care! Mark "If I'd known I was going to be a big guitar hero -- I would have practiced more" -- Ace Frehley

August 3rd, 2003, 01:59 AM	#23 (permalink)
Steven Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 515	Oh my... That man can actually be the dumbest person on earth ! The only one who could beat him is the one who buys that peace of crap. Just imagine someone sitting in front of his computer getting ready to use the "buy it now" function...

August 3rd, 2003, 03:34 AM	#25 (permalink)
markophonic Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Age: 48 Posts: 1,032 1 Photos	I wonder what this poor sod paid for it!!! "There's a wanker born every minute" __________________ http://www.brianvanderark.com/

August 3rd, 2003, 04:13 AM	#26 (permalink)
PatrickG TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 34	I honestly think this man deserves some kind of award. Or crowned the official mascot of eBay idiots. In fact, if you printed up t-shirts with his photo and the word "IDIOT" underneath, I would wear it proudly. Anyway, I would love to know how much he paid for it.

August 3rd, 2003, 05:11 AM	#27 (permalink)
MikefromOZ TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 89	Smile! your on candid camera. The worst thing, is this guy will carry that pic in his wallet to show all his freinds his great axe.this guy is his own worst enemy. he also just baught a dvd of the Titanic movie signed by All the original Ship,s crew.

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August 3rd, 2003, 10:09 AM	#29 (permalink)
swingin guitarman Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 154	I cut the guy some slack. Chances are, the guy just didn't know and the cruise line "Auction Experts" simply misrepresented the guitar. I sent him the following email. I'll let you know if I receive any response. I saw your Telecaster guitar for sale on EBay. I read your description and was a bit surprised. I'm sure you bought the guitar in good faith from your cruise's art auctioneers, but this guitar could not possibly have been used to record the Rolling Stones' "Exile on Main Street" album. The "Exile on Main Street" album was recorded in 1971-1972. The Squire Affinity Telecasters were not made until the mid 1990's. Mick Taylor had long since left the band, and was replaced by Ron Wood. Keith Richards typically uses 1950's Telecasters with maple fretboards. He does remove one of the E strings from his guitar, in fact making it a five-string, but it is NOT the string removed on your guitar. He removes the E string on the opposite side of the fretboard. There has been a fair amount of discussion regarding this auction on the internet guitar boards. Your EBay feedback record doesn't indicate a problem with misrepresented or fraudulent auctions. I am of the belief that the guitar may have been misrepresented to you by the cruise "Auction Experts." As such, you may want to reconsider your auction. I do not know what you paid for the guitar. The guitar has some added value since it was signed by the Stones, however the value shouldn't have exceeded $1000. If the cruise line auctioneers represented this guitar has one used on the "Exile on Main Street" album you did not receive goods as advertised. If you paid a premium for the guitar based on it's reported usage I would recommend contacting the cruise line, the auction house, and your attorney.

August 3rd, 2003, 01:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
T-Joe Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Whidbey Island,WA Posts: 190	I wonder... if there is no recourse for the poor sod because the auction was held in international waters. US laws do not apply outside of territorial waters. Maybe this is the reason that these discount auctions are found on cruise ships. Oh those darned scammers, they are sneaky! __________________ Cheers from Beer Lake, T-Joe

August 3rd, 2003, 10:32 PM	#31 (permalink)
shuggie1 Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 319	man, i hope this guy has finally gotten the clue........ if he has,he must feel like i did when i bought the extra "blinker fluid" for my first used bus..........ha ha... it's quite sad that people will run B.S scams on folks that dont know much about gtrs. but on the other hand, i love the description. it's just too funny.............. guess i gotta go to the woodshed and take the"53" tele w/the coronado neck and antigua painted p.u wires.(it's the one ace frehley played on the first yanni cd way back in"67".. and plug it in to my laney super auto suck w/matchless reeds.............. ha ha ha take care......... shuggie

August 4th, 2003, 01:19 AM	#32 (permalink)
da dougster Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Beautiful downtown Ayuh Posts: 300	"This is one of the great American rip-offs." Janice Shaffer of Dallastown, Pa, paid Princess Cruises $800 for paintings of a lion and a zebra, "supposedly originals of top quality. Shopping at Penney's one day — guess what they were selling ... my paintings for $65 apiece on sale. The identical same thing, frame and all." From a USA Today article about cruise ship auctions. I'd no idea that they were this prevelant. Then again I get seasick....... __________________ "Somebody set up us the bomb!!"

August 4th, 2003, 01:48 AM	#33 (permalink)
telemann51 Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 525	He's pulled the auction. I think the email was an eye-opener for him. Poor guy - from his feedback (100% positive) he just got duped. Sending the email was a Good Thing. Thank you for taking the time to send such a carefully worded email.

August 4th, 2003, 11:22 AM	#34 (permalink)
boogaloo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: S/E Pa. Age: 53 Posts: 1,133	Brings to Mind a Song: "Ship Of Fools" -forgot who the artist was. 'Scuse me whilst I put the high E tuner back on my guitar...... __________________ "..and I've got some tricks up my sleeve...oh yes indeed! It might come back to haunt 'cha..don't you throw that Mojo on me!"

August 4th, 2003, 11:52 AM	#35 (permalink)
Joe K Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bethesda, Maryland Posts: 617 6 Photos	He removed the item from E-Bay He removed the item from E-Bay. It was nice of you to alert him. If there is any truth to anything in this poor guy's story, maybe there was a misunderstanding and the seller meant that the guitar was autographed by the Stones that played on Exile, or even that the sale of the guitar includes a copy of Exile. Whether or not either of those are true, one thing is for sure, the seller on the ship had some STONES (to make that claim!)

August 4th, 2003, 12:03 PM	#36 (permalink)
swingin guitarman Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 154	Glad he pulled the auction, an honest guy. I never received a reply to my email, but I see he ended the auction early. I'm glad to see he didn't let it go as is. Even though he bought the guitar while in international waters, the auction company is usually bound by the laws of the United States. Cruise lines don't like the negative reputation that would come as a result of a misrepresented auction item. I think if he follows through with the cruise line and the auction house he should be able to get a full refund. This should serve as a warning. It's estimated over half the signed memorabilia floating around the marketplace is fake. I saw an interview on TV with Sammy Sosa. The interviewer was showing him signed samples of baseballs, bats, hats, etc. Sammy reconized half the stuff was bogus, and had never been signed by him.

August 4th, 2003, 03:25 PM	#37 (permalink)
Telecaster Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 182	Now I am sorry After my rant above, I now realize that this poor guy is the one that got taken by a scam, not the one trying to scam someone else. I feel sorry for him. __________________ I have the gear, now all I need to do is learn to play music with it!

August 4th, 2003, 03:58 PM	#38 (permalink)
Doug S. Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 113	Don't be fooled by high feedback ratings on eBay. I'm not saying this guy is a scammer, but I know of eBay sellers with feedbacks in the 1400+ range who make their living on eBay selling repro and fake **** and other medals. Yes, there are that many suckers born every minute...... __________________ Doug "Doo Wa Diddy, Diddy, Dum Diddy Doo"