Nice pics of rosewood tele

GuitarJonz · May 22nd, 2006, 11:12 AM

Listed as a real-deal rosewood tele, nice pics. Is that a maple truss rod plug in the headstock?

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WickedGTR · May 22nd, 2006, 11:52 AM

Nice pics.

The guitar is almost certainly a reissue and thus is several times overpriced.

RichardL · May 22nd, 2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WickedGTR

Nice pics.

The guitar is almost certainly a reissue and thus is several times overpriced.

Based on ?

The maple truss rod plug and skunk stripe are correct for both the originals and MIJ reissues.

Rick S · May 22nd, 2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WickedGTR

Nice pics.

The guitar is almost certainly a reissue and thus is several times overpriced.

If they're making reissues like that, I'd sure like to have one.

maggieo · May 22nd, 2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick S

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickedGTR

Nice pics.

The guitar is almost certainly a reissue and thus is several times overpriced.

If they're making reissues like that, I'd sure like to have one.

I'd agree with that- it's lovely!

jwells393 · May 22nd, 2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WickedGTR

Nice pics.

The guitar is almost certainly a reissue and thus is several times overpriced.

........... and you base your opinion on what?

The guitar is a real beauty. Nice straight grain and excellent grain matching. Or course grain matching works best with straight grain. The MIJ reissues often are not well matched.

jwells393 · May 22nd, 2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WickedGTR

Nice pics.

The guitar is almost certainly a reissue and thus is several times overpriced.

........... and you base your opinion on what?

That guitar is a real beauty. Nice straight grain and excellent grain matching. Or course grain matching works best with straight grain. The MIJ reissues are often made up of six pieces of rosewood and sometimes not well matched. The MIJ reissues I've seen had Kluson style tuners.

It's priced about $1000 higher than the price guides show for a near mint guitar.

csapo · May 22nd, 2006, 01:57 PM

I noticed in these pics that the Fender tuning machines are angular and not rounded, like Klusons. I have a CIJ Rosewood reissue and the tuners are the same as in this pic. I've never seen these on any other Tele's or Strats. :?

Any knowledge as to why this type is used and is it only on the Fender MIJ/CIJ Rosewood Tele? Thanks.

Someday I'll own a real Rosewood. :)

jwells393 · May 22nd, 2006, 02:04 PM

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......... and not rounded, like Klusons

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Are you talking about the tuner knobs?

Tom S · May 22nd, 2006, 02:16 PM

Sorry for the crappy photo, but aren't these the same tuners?

These are on a 2002 MIM thinline.

RichardL · May 22nd, 2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom S

Sorry for the crappy photo, but aren't these the same tuners?

These are on a 2002 MIM thinline.

The Fender "F" tuners shown in the pictures above would have been correct on an original Rosewood Tele. The Kluson repos on the MIJ reissues are not true to the 69-72 originals

csapo · May 22nd, 2006, 03:02 PM

They sure look like they are the same!!!

Guess I should have specified my point of reference being Tele's either made in USA or Japan. I am going to my local GC to compare my Rosewood RI tuners heads to the MIM. Thanks.

jwells393 · May 22nd, 2006, 03:25 PM

I have a MIM 72 Custom reissue with the same tuners. I guess the question to be answered is ....... did the original Fender "F" tuners have this same shaped knob. Hopefully someone who owns a Fender from the late 60s ....early 70s will let us know.

WickedGTR · May 22nd, 2006, 03:39 PM

It all looks to new and shiny to me...I have seen a real one once and quite a few pictures of other originals and they all had issues with the finish, checking etc, due to the rosewood....

While the pics are nice, I'd like to see some pictures of the inside of the guitar to better verify date, if it's being sold as an original item.

Here's some pics of a '68, (which is for sale at $25K) for comparison....

http://www.guitarbroker.com/7694a.jpg

http://www.guitarbroker.com/7694.jpg

http://www.guitarbroker.com/7694b.jpg

http://www.guitarbroker.com/7694c.jpg

Tom S · May 22nd, 2006, 05:23 PM

On both the rosewood in question and the one posted by WickedGTR, it's a damn shame they didn't join that final slab on the treble side just 1/4" to 3/8" closer to the center. It would have avoided the ugly result where the body curve intrudes into the next board. Authentic or not, it looks amatuerish to me, and I know someone like JWells would have never made that mistake.

jwells393 · May 22nd, 2006, 05:45 PM

I'm not sure I could ever tell the difference but the original ones might have been made of Brazilian rosewood. I think that was before Brazilian rosewood became rare or was put on the endangered species list or whatever prevents its use these days.

I don't know anything about rosewood but I'm thinking it must be hard to find wide boards ........ hence six pieces to make up a MIJ rosewood body.

Tom S. ............. trust me. JWells has been known to make mistakes.

Tom S · May 22nd, 2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jwells393

Tom S. ............. trust me. JWells has been known to make mistakes.

:D Yes, I'm sure, but this one is too obvious, and a builder such as yourself would have adjusted before the first cut was made. Surely this had to be obvious to Fender as well, before the body was shaped, so I wonder why they decided to go ahead with it. Looks bad.

nacho · May 22nd, 2006, 07:36 PM

I do own a real late 60s one and I am pretty certain its made of indian rosewood. These headstocks were sprayed nitro on the face so its common to see more checking and decoloration in that area in real vintage rosewoods. This guitar looks like a custom shop reissue, those come with the correct era tuners and look better than the average japanese 90s replica, one thing Fender hasnt still got right with these though is the headstock shape, specially on the back, different from the real ones at first glance, still I could be wrong and just be a picture effect, but it looks just like the one on my *** reissue, pics of neck pocket with the dowells etc are usually self explanatory on these rosewoods, my real one doesnt have the plugs on the back either, just my HO hope it helps :D
nb

WickedGTR · May 23rd, 2006, 07:00 PM

Also note that the body/neck 'notch' may not be correct....

jwells393 · May 23rd, 2006, 08:28 PM

Does anyone know how many of the original rosewoods were built?

Does anyone know how many of the MIJ Rosewood reissues were built?

sneakyjapan · May 23rd, 2006, 11:04 PM

my FJ rosewood has the F tuners and the Fender logo is much darker gold. One of their runs had the Klusons the other had the F tuners.

jazzguitar · May 30th, 2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick S

If they're making reissues like that, I'd sure like to have one.

Fender Japan sure did, here's mine:

(Click for full size)

Murchmusic in Canada had a Custom Shop reisse a few years back too, they sold for $5000.

Hafner · June 2nd, 2006, 05:50 AM

It is re-listed

http://cgi.ebay.ch/60s-70s-Fender-TE...QQcmdZViewItem

nacho · June 2nd, 2006, 07:00 AM

The absence of glossy lacquer in the fretboard in particular also makes it more beleiveable as a CS reissue and even less as a real 60s example.
nb

May 22nd, 2006, 11:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
GuitarJonz Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Mass. Posts: 2,762 7 Photos	Nice pics of rosewood tele Listed as a real-deal rosewood tele, nice pics. Is that a maple truss rod plug in the headstock? See hre *

May 22nd, 2006, 11:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
WickedGTR Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hillbilly Hollywood Posts: 2,127 4 Photos	Nice pics. The guitar is almost certainly a reissue and thus is several times overpriced. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jameswilsey

May 22nd, 2006, 01:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
csapo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: City by the Bay Posts: 1,030	Tuning Machines? I noticed in these pics that the Fender tuning machines are angular and not rounded, like Klusons. I have a CIJ Rosewood reissue and the tuners are the same as in this pic. I've never seen these on any other Tele's or Strats. :? Any knowledge as to why this type is used and is it only on the Fender MIJ/CIJ Rosewood Tele? Thanks. Someday I'll own a real Rosewood. :) __________________ Gear List (pics included)

May 22nd, 2006, 03:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
csapo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: City by the Bay Posts: 1,030	They sure look like they are the same!!! Guess I should have specified my point of reference being Tele's either made in USA or Japan. I am going to my local GC to compare my Rosewood RI tuners heads to the MIM. Thanks. __________________ Gear List (pics included)

May 22nd, 2006, 03:25 PM	#13 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 12,210 101 Photos	I have a MIM 72 Custom reissue with the same tuners. I guess the question to be answered is ....... did the original Fender "F" tuners have this same shaped knob. Hopefully someone who owns a Fender from the late 60s ....early 70s will let us know. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.

May 22nd, 2006, 02:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tom S Friend of Leo's Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,211 49 Photos	Sorry for the crappy photo, but aren't these the same tuners? These are on a 2002 MIM thinline.

May 22nd, 2006, 03:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
WickedGTR Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hillbilly Hollywood Posts: 2,127 4 Photos	It all looks to new and shiny to me...I have seen a real one once and quite a few pictures of other originals and they all had issues with the finish, checking etc, due to the rosewood.... While the pics are nice, I'd like to see some pictures of the inside of the guitar to better verify date, if it's being sold as an original item. Here's some pics of a '68, (which is for sale at $25K) for comparison.... http://www.guitarbroker.com/7694a.jpg http://www.guitarbroker.com/7694.jpg http://www.guitarbroker.com/7694b.jpg http://www.guitarbroker.com/7694c.jpg __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jameswilsey

May 22nd, 2006, 05:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
Tom S Friend of Leo's Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,211 49 Photos	On both the rosewood in question and the one posted by WickedGTR, it's a damn shame they didn't join that final slab on the treble side just 1/4" to 3/8" closer to the center. It would have avoided the ugly result where the body curve intrudes into the next board. Authentic or not, it looks amatuerish to me, and I know someone like JWells would have never made that mistake.

May 22nd, 2006, 05:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 12,210 101 Photos	I'm not sure I could ever tell the difference but the original ones might have been made of Brazilian rosewood. I think that was before Brazilian rosewood became rare or was put on the endangered species list or whatever prevents its use these days. I don't know anything about rosewood but I'm thinking it must be hard to find wide boards ........ hence six pieces to make up a MIJ rosewood body. Tom S. ............. trust me. JWells has been known to make mistakes. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.

May 22nd, 2006, 07:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
nacho Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 379	I do own a real late 60s one and I am pretty certain its made of indian rosewood. These headstocks were sprayed nitro on the face so its common to see more checking and decoloration in that area in real vintage rosewoods. This guitar looks like a custom shop reissue, those come with the correct era tuners and look better than the average japanese 90s replica, one thing Fender hasnt still got right with these though is the headstock shape, specially on the back, different from the real ones at first glance, still I could be wrong and just be a picture effect, but it looks just like the one on my *** reissue, pics of neck pocket with the dowells etc are usually self explanatory on these rosewoods, my real one doesnt have the plugs on the back either, just my HO hope it helps :D nb

May 23rd, 2006, 07:00 PM	#19 (permalink)
WickedGTR Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hillbilly Hollywood Posts: 2,127 4 Photos	Also note that the body/neck 'notch' may not be correct.... __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jameswilsey

May 23rd, 2006, 08:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 12,210 101 Photos	Does anyone know how many of the original rosewoods were built? Does anyone know how many of the MIJ Rosewood reissues were built? __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.

May 23rd, 2006, 11:04 PM	#21 (permalink)
sneakyjapan Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nippon Posts: 2,471 3 Photos	my FJ rosewood has the F tuners and the Fender logo is much darker gold. One of their runs had the Klusons the other had the F tuners. __________________ quasi mojo

June 2nd, 2006, 05:50 AM	#23 (permalink)
Hafner Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Switzerland Age: 60 Posts: 1,550 18 Photos	It is re-listed http://cgi.ebay.ch/60s-70s-Fender-TE...QQcmdZViewItem __________________ Manfred

June 2nd, 2006, 07:00 AM	#24 (permalink)
nacho Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 379	The absence of glossy lacquer in the fretboard in particular also makes it more beleiveable as a CS reissue and even less as a real 60s example. nb