First Tele solo on record - Page 2

paulmcg · March 19th, 2006, 09:59 PM

I thought this should be separate. Here is a list of recordings employing some kind of conscious distortion through a variety of methods, including slashed speakers, semi-removed tubes, pedals and other pirmitive outboard devices. It starts in 1949 and ends with Satisfaction, by which time the true pioneering was over and the tone was well-established and recognized.
From there on in it was just a question of quantity.
The legend regarding dates
rec - rec date
rel - release date
pc - date it hit the pop charts
rbc - day it hit the r&b charts
THE ALLIGNMENT OF ITEMS WILL BE A LITTLE OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE COPIED FROM A WORD DOC. SHOULD BE EASY TO SET STRAIGHT AGAIN.

PRECURSORS TO THE REAL THING
1946 - Sept 5 rec- Brain Cloudy Blues - Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys
1949 March 19 rbc - #9rbc - Empty Bedroom Blues – Saunders King – Modern 20-659B
1948 - April rec - I Can’t Be Satisfied b\w (I Feel Like) Going Home - Muddy Waters
1949 - c April - Los Angeles - Rocket Boogie 88 Pt 1 - Pete Johnson\ Joe Turner

THE REAL THING
1951 - March 5 rec - Rocket 88 - Jackie Brenston - Chess 1458
1953 Oct 26 rec- Things I Used To Do, Story Of My Life + - Guitar Slim
1956 - July rec - Train Kept A Rollin’ - Johnny Burnette - Coral?
1957 - Jan rec - Jungle Hop - Don & Dewey - (their debut Specialty session)
1958 - March 17 rel - Rumble - Link Wray
1958 - Sept rec - The Slummer The Slum – “5” Royales – King 5153 – rel Oct 1958
1960 - July 12 rec - Don’t Worry - Marty Robbins - Columbia 41766A
1961 or 62 rec (unreleased until 1964) - “Scratchy”\Fire Fly - Travis Wammack
1961 – Feb 9 rec, Feb 28 rel – Lost Love –Ann Marget – RCA
1961 - July 24 pc - I Just Don’t Understand - Ann Margret - RCA7894
1962 - Aug rec - Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah - Bob B Soxx and The Blue Jeans
1963 - Rip Chords - 40 Ford Time
1964 - April rec - Little Honda - Beach Boys
1964 - June 27 UK chart - Hold Me - P.J. Proby -
1964 - July rec - You Really Got Me - Kinks (released Aug 4) – Pye 7N 15673
1964 - Sept 19 UK chart - Together - PJ Proby
1964 - Oct rel - Come Back Baby - Savages ( w.Screaming Lord Sutch)\
1964 rel - I'm Feeling O.K./Slippin' And Slidin' - Five Americans (Jetstar 105) 1964
1965 - April 20 rec - Heart Full Of Soul (45) - Yardbirds
1965 - May11-12 rec - RCA Studios - Hollywood - Satisfaction - Rolling Stones

flyingb54 · March 20th, 2006, 12:21 AM

Marty Robbins "Don't Worry Bout me" had a fuzz on it too. What year was that? I believe mid-50's.
The Temptations had one on their recording of "AINT TO PROUD TO BEG"
JB
www.johnbeland.com

olewichita · March 20th, 2006, 03:01 AM

recorded esquire/broadcaster/nocaster/telecaster but don randall and george fullerton werre shopping it around the studios very early on...

the vivi-tone company owned by famous instrument innovator lloyd loar already made an electric solid body guitar in the early-mid 30s... an often overlooked detail...

carol kaye and les paul are both about as renowned as fibbers as roy buchanan... although their resume is masterful and holds it's own just on what we known they often embellish stories and credit themselves with things not 100% or less then true...

tj

paulmcg · March 20th, 2006, 07:16 AM

Still hoping someone out there can put ears to the recording of Kitty Wells\Ernie Ford "I'll Never Be Free" and tell me whether they think it's a Tele at play. I simply can't make any definitive call on this one.

paulmcg · March 20th, 2006, 07:32 AM

Olewichita
Thanks for warning on Carol. Les's fables are well known.

I knew about Lloyd Loar (bit of a mad visionary, I think) If I'm not mistaken, he designed the Gibson A-mandolin, one of the most beautiful to look at instruments I've ever seen.

Now, I would buy a plane ticket and personally fly out to shake the hand of, and buy at least six beers for, the person who could find a recording using Loar's solid-body guitar.

64Strat · March 20th, 2006, 10:02 AM

[quote="paulmcg"]
I knew about Lloyd Loar (bit of a mad visionary, I think) If I'm not mistaken, he designed the Gibson A-mandolin, one of the most beautiful to look at instruments I've ever seen. [quote]
The A's were already a stock item for Gibson.
Loar came to Gibson in 1922 and left in 1925. He was known for taking the top of the line F4 mandolin and improving it to the F5. They look very similar but some main differences are removing the oval sound hole and using a pair of f-holes, specifying West Virginia Red Cedar for the top and a better quality control program for the top of the line instruments. A signed Loar F5 in mint condition is worth near $100K now. Here's a link below to my F4 from 5yrs prior to Loar arriving.
http://www.tdpri.com/telephoto/showp...o/1702/cat/529

paulmcg · March 20th, 2006, 10:25 AM

64 Strat - I had the right picture in my head of Loar's beautiful mandolin (F-holes, curly scroll) but of course it's the F series, not the A - for some reason I had it in my head that the oval-hole mandolins started with O and what is actually the F series started with A. See an O, call it an O I guess. Thanks.

Buckocaster51 · March 20th, 2006, 01:10 PM

There is at least one Loar A-5 in existence.

here is one of the many pictures of it that are available

http://www.mandozine.com/instruments...s/a5.1923.jpeg

March 20th, 2006, 12:21 AM	#42 (permalink)
flyingb54 Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: BRENHAM TEXAS Age: 59 Posts: 811	Marty & Fuzz Marty Robbins "Don't Worry Bout me" had a fuzz on it too. What year was that? I believe mid-50's. The Temptations had one on their recording of "AINT TO PROUD TO BEG" JB www.johnbeland.com __________________ "Son, that has nothing to do with nothin'"....Bill Monroe

March 20th, 2006, 03:01 AM	#43 (permalink)
olewichita Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,261	don't know about the first... recorded esquire/broadcaster/nocaster/telecaster but don randall and george fullerton werre shopping it around the studios very early on... the vivi-tone company owned by famous instrument innovator lloyd loar already made an electric solid body guitar in the early-mid 30s... an often overlooked detail... carol kaye and les paul are both about as renowned as fibbers as roy buchanan... although their resume is masterful and holds it's own just on what we known they often embellish stories and credit themselves with things not 100% or less then true... tj

March 19th, 2006, 09:59 PM	#41 (permalink)
paulmcg TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 21	I thought this should be separate. Here is a list of recordings employing some kind of conscious distortion through a variety of methods, including slashed speakers, semi-removed tubes, pedals and other pirmitive outboard devices. It starts in 1949 and ends with Satisfaction, by which time the true pioneering was over and the tone was well-established and recognized. From there on in it was just a question of quantity. The legend regarding dates rec - rec date rel - release date pc - date it hit the pop charts rbc - day it hit the r&b charts THE ALLIGNMENT OF ITEMS WILL BE A LITTLE OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE COPIED FROM A WORD DOC. SHOULD BE EASY TO SET STRAIGHT AGAIN. PRECURSORS TO THE REAL THING 1946 - Sept 5 rec- Brain Cloudy Blues - Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys 1949 March 19 rbc - #9rbc - Empty Bedroom Blues – Saunders King – Modern 20-659B 1948 - April rec - I Can’t Be Satisfied b\w (I Feel Like) Going Home - Muddy Waters 1949 - c April - Los Angeles - Rocket Boogie 88 Pt 1 - Pete Johnson\ Joe Turner THE REAL THING 1951 - March 5 rec - Rocket 88 - Jackie Brenston - Chess 1458 1953 Oct 26 rec- Things I Used To Do, Story Of My Life + - Guitar Slim 1956 - July rec - Train Kept A Rollin’ - Johnny Burnette - Coral? 1957 - Jan rec - Jungle Hop - Don & Dewey - (their debut Specialty session) 1958 - March 17 rel - Rumble - Link Wray 1958 - Sept rec - The Slummer The Slum – “5” Royales – King 5153 – rel Oct 1958 1960 - July 12 rec - Don’t Worry - Marty Robbins - Columbia 41766A 1961 or 62 rec (unreleased until 1964) - “Scratchy”\Fire Fly - Travis Wammack 1961 – Feb 9 rec, Feb 28 rel – Lost Love –Ann Marget – RCA 1961 - July 24 pc - I Just Don’t Understand - Ann Margret - RCA7894 1962 - Aug rec - Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah - Bob B Soxx and The Blue Jeans 1963 - Rip Chords - 40 Ford Time 1964 - April rec - Little Honda - Beach Boys 1964 - June 27 UK chart - Hold Me - P.J. Proby - 1964 - July rec - You Really Got Me - Kinks (released Aug 4) – Pye 7N 15673 1964 - Sept 19 UK chart - Together - PJ Proby 1964 - Oct rel - Come Back Baby - Savages ( w.Screaming Lord Sutch)\ 1964 rel - I'm Feeling O.K./Slippin' And Slidin' - Five Americans (Jetstar 105) 1964 1965 - April 20 rec - Heart Full Of Soul (45) - Yardbirds 1965 - May11-12 rec - RCA Studios - Hollywood - Satisfaction - Rolling Stones

March 20th, 2006, 07:16 AM	#44 (permalink)
paulmcg TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 21	Still hoping someone out there can put ears to the recording of Kitty Wells\Ernie Ford "I'll Never Be Free" and tell me whether they think it's a Tele at play. I simply can't make any definitive call on this one.

March 20th, 2006, 07:32 AM	#45 (permalink)
paulmcg TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 21	Olewichita Thanks for warning on Carol. Les's fables are well known. I knew about Lloyd Loar (bit of a mad visionary, I think) If I'm not mistaken, he designed the Gibson A-mandolin, one of the most beautiful to look at instruments I've ever seen. Now, I would buy a plane ticket and personally fly out to shake the hand of, and buy at least six beers for, the person who could find a recording using Loar's solid-body guitar.

March 20th, 2006, 10:02 AM	#46 (permalink)
64Strat Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 654 43 Photos	[quote="paulmcg"] I knew about Lloyd Loar (bit of a mad visionary, I think) If I'm not mistaken, he designed the Gibson A-mandolin, one of the most beautiful to look at instruments I've ever seen. [quote] The A's were already a stock item for Gibson. Loar came to Gibson in 1922 and left in 1925. He was known for taking the top of the line F4 mandolin and improving it to the F5. They look very similar but some main differences are removing the oval sound hole and using a pair of f-holes, specifying West Virginia Red Cedar for the top and a better quality control program for the top of the line instruments. A signed Loar F5 in mint condition is worth near $100K now. Here's a link below to my F4 from 5yrs prior to Loar arriving. http://www.tdpri.com/telephoto/showp...o/1702/cat/529

March 20th, 2006, 10:25 AM	#47 (permalink)
paulmcg TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 21	64 Strat - I had the right picture in my head of Loar's beautiful mandolin (F-holes, curly scroll) but of course it's the F series, not the A - for some reason I had it in my head that the oval-hole mandolins started with O and what is actually the F series started with A. See an O, call it an O I guess. Thanks.

March 20th, 2006, 01:10 PM	#48 (permalink)
Buckocaster51 Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Iowa USA Age: 57 Posts: 5,603 1 Photos	There is at least one Loar A-5 in existence. here is one of the many pictures of it that are available http://www.mandozine.com/instruments...s/a5.1923.jpeg