Made in Germany Telecaster?

aussieneil · January 18th, 2006, 09:17 AM

Does anyone have any info or pointers on a 1970s Tele copy by Hoyer in Germany? One has come up here for sale in Aus and can be seen at http://www.grouseguitars.com.au/hoyertele.htm

What are they like? Has anyone owned or tried one? :?

Feedback appreciated!

Cheers, and twang on!

silenus · January 18th, 2006, 09:20 AM

The brand "Hoyer" gets very good reviews on various models "harmony central"...the model you got there isn't with it...(at first view)
But it seems to be a good brand
And it looks great

tonfarbe · January 18th, 2006, 09:54 AM

I just checked the price for this Hoyer Tele & it is waaaaaaaaay too high. Don't buy it.
While the Hoyer Tele may be a decent guitar (although I think it looks awfull with the huge metal parts etc.),
they sell for something like 150 - 250 € over here on Ebay Germany.
So even with shipping from Germany, it would be less than half the price, compared to the one in your link.

jwells393 · January 18th, 2006, 10:42 AM

Man ........... that is one ugly attempt at making a Telecaster.

Fuzzyhead · January 18th, 2006, 04:54 PM

Yup... Sad to say but that is definitely no prime example of german workmanship....

eddiewagner · January 19th, 2006, 09:38 AM

really, really ugly! good german teles are from rockinger for shure. www. rockinger.com. but they are not vintage at all.... but that thang: no way!

R.P.V. · January 19th, 2006, 10:18 AM

Probably the best Teles from Germany are Morgaines.
They are second to none worldwide.
Just MHO

natsteel · January 19th, 2006, 10:32 AM

Actualy I like the Hoyer Tele.
It doesn't have Class ... maybe ... but it does have Style. Look how they designed the bridge ...

That is a neat lookin Toploader bridge.

Price is far overrated - but it is an older guitar Down Under.

About a month ago I bought this (Dutch) Egmond Telestar from 1968. Those pu's deliver a nice warm sound.

BTW - On the website where the Hoyer is on display they also sell very beautiful guitarstraps too ... WOW ...
They even used the Hoyer as a 'mannequin' to advertise this strap ... That is a Real OutLaw Strap! Rock & Rattle ..!

Fuzzyhead · January 19th, 2006, 10:41 AM

Man, those straps have style! I wish I were back down under...

natsteel · January 19th, 2006, 10:55 AM

Man those straps are Beautiful! ... just looked at a strap that has a Thinline with Bigsby on it .... and it is sold ... Darn ...

Dacious · January 19th, 2006, 11:06 AM

Hmmm, ~ $US700 or € 600. Freight/insurance is probably € 250 from Europe and add in import duty presume anything up to € 100. It would be a close-run thing. At least you could economically return the Australian one.

The only thing is: by the late 60's competition was inducing all the German makers - Hofner, Framus, Hoyer - to import solidbodies from Japan which replaced things like the Coloramas and Stratos which were copies of Fender/Gibson anyhow. I bet this guitar doesn't say "Made in ____" anywhere on it. In the 80's there were Hofners from Korea - probably Samick.

Ibanez exports from Japan usually had no markings in around 1974 unless a Maxon pickup inside said MIJ. There were no serial numbers or often even logos like on this '73 catalogue model 2352 Ibanez Tele. Not until the US importer started stamping them in 1976 could you ID a year.

This smacks of a late 60's Fuji Gen-Kakki copy because of the metal trussrod cover which Ibanez Fender copies used until 1976 or so. Plus although the pickguard, neckplate and control plate look dicky, by the early 70's they'd cleaned this up. Notice on this Ibanez the similar Jaguar/Bigsby-Tele-style bridge, and Ibanez used the squarish lipstick covers on their copies for both bridge and neck pickups. Note also the LP toggle and jack on control plate on both. These guitars would have had an ashtray to cover the dodgy-looking bridges and pickups.

aussieneil · January 30th, 2006, 10:08 AM

Can anyone advise of its correct age? Is it in fact an early 70s? Its mojo has me intrigued!

Plus I see they are getting in an "Ariana" '60s Japanese Tele - any experience with these?

That webpage can be seen here

After a lifetime playing and amassing 'real' Telecasters these ugly brothers are starting to fascinate me! Is there an effective cure?

Twang on!

jwells393 · January 30th, 2006, 10:24 AM

Now there's an idea .................. start a collection of ugly attempts at making a Telecaster.

January 18th, 2006, 09:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
aussieneil TDPRI Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 10	Made in Germany Telecaster? Does anyone have any info or pointers on a 1970s Tele copy by Hoyer in Germany? One has come up here for sale in Aus and can be seen at http://www.grouseguitars.com.au/hoyertele.htm What are they like? Has anyone owned or tried one? :? Feedback appreciated! Cheers, and twang on!

January 18th, 2006, 09:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
tonfarbe Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Berlin, Yer-up Posts: 760 20 Photos	Don't buy it!!! I just checked the price for this Hoyer Tele & it is waaaaaaaaay too high. Don't buy it. While the Hoyer Tele may be a decent guitar (although I think it looks awfull with the huge metal parts etc.), they sell for something like 150 - 250 € over here on Ebay Germany. So even with shipping from Germany, it would be less than half the price, compared to the one in your link.

January 18th, 2006, 10:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 12,253 101 Photos	Man ........... that is one ugly attempt at making a Telecaster. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.

January 18th, 2006, 04:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
Fuzzyhead Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bonn (Yer-up) Age: 25 Posts: 1,350 23 Photos	Yup... Sad to say but that is definitely no prime example of german workmanship.... __________________ about me: blog, photos & musical preferences

January 19th, 2006, 09:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
eddiewagner Friend of Leo's Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ROCK!linghausen/germany Age: 50 Posts: 4,028 27 Photos	really, really ugly! good german teles are from rockinger for shure. www. rockinger.com. but they are not vintage at all.... but that thang: no way! __________________ My Drum/Guitar-Duo: www.myspace.com/captaintwangandhisrhythmcat

January 18th, 2006, 09:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
silenus TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 13	The brand "Hoyer" gets very good reviews on various models "harmony central"...the model you got there isn't with it...(at first view) But it seems to be a good brand And it looks great

January 19th, 2006, 10:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
R.P.V. TDPRI Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 75	Probably the best Teles from Germany are Morgaines. They are second to none worldwide. Just MHO

January 19th, 2006, 10:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
natsteel Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the netherlands Posts: 221	Actualy I like the Hoyer Tele. It doesn't have Class ... maybe ... but it does have Style. Look how they designed the bridge ... That is a neat lookin Toploader bridge. Price is far overrated - but it is an older guitar Down Under. About a month ago I bought this (Dutch) Egmond Telestar from 1968. Those pu's deliver a nice warm sound. BTW - On the website where the Hoyer is on display they also sell very beautiful guitarstraps too ... WOW ... They even used the Hoyer as a 'mannequin' to advertise this strap ... That is a Real OutLaw Strap! Rock & Rattle ..! __________________ Tele Bigsby Count = 315 on my website

January 19th, 2006, 10:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
Fuzzyhead Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bonn (Yer-up) Age: 25 Posts: 1,350 23 Photos	Man, those straps have style! I wish I were back down under... __________________ about me: blog, photos & musical preferences

January 19th, 2006, 10:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
natsteel Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the netherlands Posts: 221	Man those straps are Beautiful! ... just looked at a strap that has a Thinline with Bigsby on it .... and it is sold ... Darn ... __________________ Tele Bigsby Count = 315 on my website

January 19th, 2006, 11:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
Dacious Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Godzone Posts: 2,612 35 Photos	Hmmm, ~ $US700 or € 600. Freight/insurance is probably € 250 from Europe and add in import duty presume anything up to € 100. It would be a close-run thing. At least you could economically return the Australian one. The only thing is: by the late 60's competition was inducing all the German makers - Hofner, Framus, Hoyer - to import solidbodies from Japan which replaced things like the Coloramas and Stratos which were copies of Fender/Gibson anyhow. I bet this guitar doesn't say "Made in ____" anywhere on it. In the 80's there were Hofners from Korea - probably Samick. Ibanez exports from Japan usually had no markings in around 1974 unless a Maxon pickup inside said MIJ. There were no serial numbers or often even logos like on this '73 catalogue model 2352 Ibanez Tele. Not until the US importer started stamping them in 1976 could you ID a year. This smacks of a late 60's Fuji Gen-Kakki copy because of the metal trussrod cover which Ibanez Fender copies used until 1976 or so. Plus although the pickguard, neckplate and control plate look dicky, by the early 70's they'd cleaned this up. Notice on this Ibanez the similar Jaguar/Bigsby-Tele-style bridge, and Ibanez used the squarish lipstick covers on their copies for both bridge and neck pickups. Note also the LP toggle and jack on control plate on both. These guitars would have had an ashtray to cover the dodgy-looking bridges and pickups. __________________ My other Telecaster is a Thinline The Tele Bible, Ch 1, v 10 Love thy Telecaster, covet not thy neighbour's Strat!

January 30th, 2006, 10:08 AM	#12 (permalink)
aussieneil TDPRI Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 10	Is the age correct? Can anyone advise of its correct age? Is it in fact an early 70s? Its mojo has me intrigued! Plus I see they are getting in an "Ariana" '60s Japanese Tele - any experience with these? That webpage can be seen here After a lifetime playing and amassing 'real' Telecasters these ugly brothers are starting to fascinate me! Is there an effective cure? Twang on!

January 30th, 2006, 10:24 AM	#13 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 12,253 101 Photos	Now there's an idea .................. start a collection of ugly attempts at making a Telecaster. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.