How can this be new

pohorsky · December 6th, 2005, 12:47 PM

1979 Telecaster Custom
What's up with the truss rod near the head.
Down in florida they write differently that in California, I guess. Here we say $3000. In Florida where this guy "is" they write 3000$. But not everybody can be the same.

Also, isn't it common practice to actual describe the item you are trying to sell?

moonshiner · December 6th, 2005, 12:53 PM

I am by no means an expert at distinguishing teles.. but...

The Bridge seems off... Not saying it's not a Fender bridge... it doesn't appear to fit correctly...

The knobs seem wrong.. Those look like generic black knobs.. not even fenders...

Custom sticker... seems wrong to me... just something not right...

Again.. I am no expert... just a "hunch"...

hekawi · December 6th, 2005, 01:15 PM

maybe you could check that serial number.

Scotland · December 6th, 2005, 01:23 PM

That's no more a Fender than my Les Paul is !
Body shape is completely wrong.
The decal is wrong too, Telecaster is much more bold than it should be and also a lot bigger.
Etc. etc. etc.

Mark Davis · December 6th, 2005, 01:25 PM

Looks like a 78 to me bridge and knobs arent right everything else looks ok.

The seller has zero feedback probably doesnt know how to write an ebay ad.

Scotland · December 6th, 2005, 01:35 PM

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Quite a big difference in the logos don't you think ?

TheGoodTexan · December 6th, 2005, 01:35 PM

I'm not an expert either, but how many people are out there forging 3-bolts?

Now the auction itself may be a fraud, and there are several key identifiers there...

1) "3000$" ??? - Sounds like someone from England.
2) First auction, zero feedback
3) No description
4) No reserve/low minimum bid, etc.
5) Talks about a BIN price, but does not give that option.

However, this is where you can truly find a good deal sometimes, if you're willing to do your homework with the seller. A lot of folks would skip the auction altogether, and so may miss out on a good deal, if it is legit. If.

jhundt · December 6th, 2005, 01:50 PM

what's that bizarre little silver missile-shaped thing sticking out between the nut and the pegs? My Fenders don't have that strange tiny appendage...

div · December 6th, 2005, 01:52 PM

I'm with Mark, looks real to me. Body shape looks right for 73-82. Decal looks right to me for that year(s). Tross rod is correct for custom II. Most people would say its a '78 because of the S8 serial number, but they used those in '79 too from what I understand.

The bridge isn't original- someone posted a guitar with a similar bridge once before. I think they're from the days when people were into the extra mass= sustain thing. $3k is too high, but then again:'77custom

Mark Davis · December 6th, 2005, 01:53 PM

click here

OutlawSteph1975 · December 6th, 2005, 02:04 PM

The 'bullet' truss rod is correct for this model. The body and neck MAY be real, but there are many non-original parts, like the bridge of course.

I'm no expert but overall, it doesn't look right to me. The pickguard is odd. The way 70s Tele are appreciating in value, and the demand for them, I wouldn't be surprised to see forgeries.

Mark Davis · December 6th, 2005, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutlawSteph1975

The 'bullet' truss rod is correct for this model. The body and neck MAY be real, but there are many non-original parts, like the bridge of course.

I'm no expert but overall, it doesn't look right to me. The pickguard is odd. The way 70s Tele are appreciating in value, and the demand for them, I wouldn't be surprised to see forgeries.

Compare it to the mij one I posted above the pguard and knobs look fine.

slack · December 6th, 2005, 02:49 PM

Decal is fine
Knobs are correct for 78-on
Truss rod bullet is fine
Pickguard appears correct

Another small clue is the size of the tuning peg bushings. They varied in the 70s and these are correct.

Bridge assembly is very much wrong
Nut is not original

Finish looks a little suspect, but you to have inspect a guitar regarding the finish. Relying on pics like those for finish questions never works out.

BLACKCAT69 · December 6th, 2005, 03:07 PM

Just as an example, here's a few pics of what I think is a Yamaha copy from the late '70's / early '80's. I bought this on Ebay as a cheapo beater a few months back. It has a plywood body that has been painted many times, but other components resemble the model in question.

Sorry the pics aren't better but I just happened to have them handy in my photobucket folder.

pohorsky · December 6th, 2005, 03:09 PM

How is it new?

Quote:

Description

Item Specifics - Item Condition
Condition: New

J-man · December 6th, 2005, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pohorsky

How is it new?

Quote:

Description

Item Specifics - Item Condition
Condition: New

Maybe it means "as new", I don't know..

Scotland · December 6th, 2005, 03:27 PM

MBradford6288 · December 6th, 2005, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Nut is not original

How important is an original nut to the value of the instrument? If it's been refret, chances are it needed a new nut at that time. Does a refret change the value? If that's the case, i'll never understand you vintage guys, cause I want my guitars in top shape all the time, and nuts and refrets are part of that.

Fuzzyhead · December 6th, 2005, 04:00 PM

Has been pulled....

chickenpicker · December 6th, 2005, 04:19 PM

FAO The Good Texan:

In The UK we use £, which go before the number, just like US $ do.

So I don't agree with you that the vendor was in the UK.

It's academic now anyway, since the sale hase been pulled.

J-man · December 6th, 2005, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chickenpicker

FAO The Good Texan:

In The UK we use £, which go before the number, just like US $ do.

So I don't agree with you that the vendor was in the UK.

It's academic now anyway, since the sale hase been pulled.

Agreed.

TheGoodTexan · December 6th, 2005, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-man

Quote:

Originally Posted by chickenpicker

FAO The Good Texan:

In The UK we use £, which go before the number, just like US $ do.

So I don't agree with you that the vendor was in the UK.

It's academic now anyway, since the sale hase been pulled.

Agreed.

That's cool. I'm not sure why, but I thought that the "pound sign" ( £ ) was placed after the amount. Glad I learned something today.

Hey - what keystroke do you make on a North American keyboard to make that symbol anyway? I just copied and pasted above.

slack · December 6th, 2005, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGoodTexan

Hey - what keystroke do you make on a North American keyboard to make that symbol anyway? I just copied and pasted above.

Option (Alt) # = £

0le FUZZY · December 6th, 2005, 05:37 PM

Alt 0163 = £

On my keyboard !

Course its older than dirt and onlee werks ¼ of the time.

Fine a liddo stuff here (click)

Its also prolly on yer cornfuser but it taint on mine cause I'm still usin Winders 98.

0.F.

December 6th, 2005, 12:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
pohorsky Tele-Holic Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bakersfield Age: 23 Posts: 722 48 Photos	How can this be new 1979 Telecaster Custom What's up with the truss rod near the head. Down in florida they write differently that in California, I guess. Here we say $3000. In Florida where this guy "is" they write 3000$. But not everybody can be the same. Also, isn't it common practice to actual describe the item you are trying to sell? __________________ Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. John Wayne

December 6th, 2005, 12:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
moonshiner Friend of Leo's Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Milyucky, Whiskonsin Posts: 2,171	I am by no means an expert at distinguishing teles.. but... The Bridge seems off... Not saying it's not a Fender bridge... it doesn't appear to fit correctly... The knobs seem wrong.. Those look like generic black knobs.. not even fenders... Custom sticker... seems wrong to me... just something not right... Again.. I am no expert... just a "hunch"... __________________ "Everyone's got to be something... Me? I'm stupid... It's all I ever wanted to be... Shock me again!"

December 6th, 2005, 01:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
hekawi Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: greenville, sc Posts: 2,041	real? maybe you could check that serial number.

December 6th, 2005, 01:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Scotland Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, Yewrup Age: 54 Posts: 6,513 3 Photos	No way !! That's no more a Fender than my Les Paul is ! Body shape is completely wrong. The decal is wrong too, Telecaster is much more bold than it should be and also a lot bigger. Etc. etc. etc. __________________ All those who believe in psycho-kinesis, raise my hand !

December 6th, 2005, 01:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mark Davis Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bakersfield Ca. Age: 58 Posts: 12,876	Looks like a 78 to me bridge and knobs arent right everything else looks ok. The seller has zero feedback probably doesnt know how to write an ebay ad. __________________ I'm so blind my seeing eye dog needs glasses.

December 6th, 2005, 01:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
Scotland Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, Yewrup Age: 54 Posts: 6,513 3 Photos	[/url] Quite a big difference in the logos don't you think ? __________________ All those who believe in psycho-kinesis, raise my hand !

December 6th, 2005, 01:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
jhundt Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Age: 54 Posts: 3,012 9 Photos	Eeewww! what's that bizarre little silver missile-shaped thing sticking out between the nut and the pegs? My Fenders don't have that strange tiny appendage...

December 6th, 2005, 01:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
div Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: noo yawk Posts: 284 12 Photos	I'm with Mark, looks real to me. Body shape looks right for 73-82. Decal looks right to me for that year(s). Tross rod is correct for custom II. Most people would say its a '78 because of the S8 serial number, but they used those in '79 too from what I understand. The bridge isn't original- someone posted a guitar with a similar bridge once before. I think they're from the days when people were into the extra mass= sustain thing. $3k is too high, but then again:'77custom __________________ stop on by!:The Lonesome Prairie Dogs

December 6th, 2005, 01:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mark Davis Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bakersfield Ca. Age: 58 Posts: 12,876	click here __________________ I'm so blind my seeing eye dog needs glasses.

December 6th, 2005, 02:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
OutlawSteph1975 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,870 7 Photos	The 'bullet' truss rod is correct for this model. The body and neck MAY be real, but there are many non-original parts, like the bridge of course. I'm no expert but overall, it doesn't look right to me. The pickguard is odd. The way 70s Tele are appreciating in value, and the demand for them, I wouldn't be surprised to see forgeries.

December 6th, 2005, 02:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
slack Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,929	Decal is fine Knobs are correct for 78-on Truss rod bullet is fine Pickguard appears correct Another small clue is the size of the tuning peg bushings. They varied in the 70s and these are correct. Bridge assembly is very much wrong Nut is not original Finish looks a little suspect, but you to have inspect a guitar regarding the finish. Relying on pics like those for finish questions never works out.

December 6th, 2005, 03:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
BLACKCAT69 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada-Windsor-Ont. Age: 37 Posts: 2,633 5 Photos	Just as an example, here's a few pics of what I think is a Yamaha copy from the late '70's / early '80's. I bought this on Ebay as a cheapo beater a few months back. It has a plywood body that has been painted many times, but other components resemble the model in question. Sorry the pics aren't better but I just happened to have them handy in my photobucket folder. __________________ http://www.lukefisher.com/blame.wav

December 6th, 2005, 03:27 PM	#17 (permalink)
Scotland Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, Yewrup Age: 54 Posts: 6,513 3 Photos	Bridge is from the 81 Black and Gold Tele __________________ All those who believe in psycho-kinesis, raise my hand !

December 6th, 2005, 04:00 PM	#19 (permalink)
Fuzzyhead Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bonn (Yer-up) Age: 25 Posts: 1,350 23 Photos	Has been pulled.... __________________ about me: blog, photos & musical preferences

December 6th, 2005, 04:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
chickenpicker Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,060 14 Photos	£ or $ FAO The Good Texan: In The UK we use £, which go before the number, just like US $ do. So I don't agree with you that the vendor was in the UK. It's academic now anyway, since the sale hase been pulled.

December 6th, 2005, 05:37 PM	#24 (permalink)
0le FUZZY Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kolly-forn-knee-ya Posts: 10,001 6 Photos	Alt 0163 = £ On my keyboard ! Course its older than dirt and onlee werks ¼ of the time. Fine a liddo stuff here (click) Its also prolly on yer cornfuser but it taint on mine cause I'm still usin Winders 98. 0.F.