Will "vintage " guitars continue to be good invest

[tonfarbe]

... that Mr. Friedrich GRETSCH was also a German.

Does this mean that WE are the ancestors of Rock 'n Roll and Rockabilly

Just kidding folks - please don't take this too serious...

[Fatmanstratman]

Originally Posted by Twin Reiver

"Western music"? What were the Beatles playing, The Rites of Spring?

Oh Lordy! Is America no longer in the West? You guys relocated next door to China in the East?

But you're right - those cheeky Beatles never wrote anything worth a damn; just played everything written by American artistes. I mean, if John & Paul had dared to write anything original, they would have had to take joint plaudits for it - and credit it to something like "Lennon/McCartney" or similar. Perish the thought! As if THAT would have EVER caught on......

Huh - next you'll be telling me that according to the list of best selling music artists (in the United States) as of June 2005, based on certifications of album sales by the RIAA, those naughty British boys are in first place, having outsold any other artist by some 52,000,000 sales. Go on with you! And I suppose you'll be telling me that way behind in second place is that lovely American boy, Elvis Presley. Don't be so silly!

Hey guys - be proud, but be a little humble too. The TDPRI is a worldwide board with members from all over the globe. We all have our history, and we've all contributed something to the world. Let us extend the arm of friendship to others by sharing our mutual love of the Telecaster - not offend them by claiming that the whole future of the vintage guitar market depends upon the music of just ONE country. Let the TDPRI "family" continue to grow in harmony 8)

[tonfarbe]

Originally Posted by Fatmanstratman

Let the TDPRI "family" continue to grow in harmony 8)

Nice final words.

Now please lets continue with the original discussion.

[Fatmanstratman]

Originally Posted by tonfarbe

Now please lets continue with the original discussion.

I'll second that!

[Twin Reiver]

Sir, that is probably one of the most obnoxious posts I have ever read. Nice appeal for polite discourse at the end there though.

Give it a shot by not attributing imaginary, rhetorical, specious questions to other posters. If you want to advise humility, at least be civil.

[Fatmanstratman]

Absolutely no intention to offend - and if anyone did find my appeal for humility offensive, then I humbly apologise.

I think if you read all the posts in this thread, you will understand the point I was trying to make. I don't want to go over old ground - all I would ask is that those who have posted just take a few seconds to reflect on the fact that they may well have - albeit inadvertantly - offended others. Personally, I love American music. But as a musician, I love all genres of music, and would never be so presumptious as to think that the future of the vintage guitar market depended on one particular genre or country.

Point made, and point taken. This thread is particularly interesting, and I hope you will agree that it is now time to draw a line under personal feelings and get back to some serious discussion about vintage Tele values!

That's what this great place is all about. :D

[Twin Reiver]

A very impressive, articulate and thoughtful response.

[stephent2]

"Absolutely no intention to offend - and if anyone did find my appeal for humility offensive, then I humbly apologise."

"you were displaying your wonderful sense of humour and humility, and not arrogance and ignorance as I had at first assumed"

In America, doesn't matter where ya'll came from, once here, we're all Americans for better or worse (and I'm not saying we do that very well) but some things we get right, Guitars and American Music, Blues, Country, R&R. R&B, etc., etc.

We own ya for reminding us how wonderful our music is, and you'all have done great things with it for sure....but just remember,

Eric Clapton wanted to be Buddy Guy.

Mick wanted to be Muddy Waters.

Beatles wanted to be Buddy Holly and Elvis.

Van wanted to be John Lee Hooker.

It's cool, so do we.

As long as the music's important, the tools that make that music will be valued and the Fender guitar is the universal symbol of Rock and Roll.

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by WrapAround

Does anyone remember the crash of vintage automobile market in the early 90's? Is there a possibility of something like that happening to the VG market?

Not only a possibility, a probablity.

Jim

[Fatmanstratman]

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Yeah, erm, whatever.........

Anyway, as I was saying, "This thread is particularly interesting, and I hope you will agree that it is now time to draw a line under personal feelings and get back to some serious discussion about vintage Tele values!"

[reverbbb]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

Not only a possibility, a probablity.

Jim

Yeah, even Woolsworth, Braniff, PanAm and Montgomery Wards fell victum of the inevitable cycles. In the 1960s, NOBODY would have believed these companies would fall. Nobody believed the livery stables would ever be replaced by gas stations either.

[kp8]

Originally Posted by Fatmanstratman

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Yeah, erm, whatever.........

Anyway, as I was saying, "This thread is particularly interesting, and I hope you will agree that it is now time to draw a line under personal feelings and get back to some serious discussion about vintage Tele values!"

hee hee.... go ahead and break something. it will make you feel better....

anyway rest assured some folks here (that would be me) see your larger point, but are staying out of the fray so as to keep from getting booted from the TDPRI.

frankly, i'd rather be in the beatles than elvis anyway.

hee hee....

The temptation to say more is great, but the rules are the rules ...

cheers

kevin

[Cheese]

i would like to own a really homosexual looking hairmetal superstrat in pink or something with a kahler or floyd rose vibrato device

well, those guitars are getting cheaper these days because they are second hand and un-cool, so those might get expensive some day

[BlackieStratMan]

Originally Posted by stephent2

As long as there's Rock and Roll and American music, there will be a vintage guitar market .........

I see absolutely no correlation between those.

I would agree that as long as there's hype from someone with a guitar for sale that there will be a vintage guitar market.

hype it up loud enough and long enough and eventually someone will "buy into it".

[Colt W. Knight]

Also, more guitars are being produced today, but in 20-30-40 years there will be a lot more people than there is now. I bet good Fenders will appreciate.
Also, we will have to consider the availabillity of woods, maybe 40 years from now swamp ash and alder will not be readily availabillity. Therefore current guitars will be worth a lot in the future. Plus I guess we will have to see how well hardware holds up too.

[boris bubbanov]

Originally Posted by Colt W. Knight

Also, we will have to consider the availabillity of woods, maybe 40 years from now swamp ash and alder will not be readily availabillity.

I think there will be a sufficient amount of premium hardwoods like maple, ash, alder and walnut. There may not be Brazilian or Malagasy Rosewood, or enough premium mahogany.

I find it interesting that the guys in Sept. 2005 were all go to sell and be done with it. Maybe vintage guitars as your lifeline for economic security in 2040 is a mistake, but I don't think prices will plummet real soon even if the economy takes a header.

Gas prices may get back down to $ 2.35 here in the States in late 2008, but if the price goes to $ 5-6.00 and we Americans run out of things to sell to support the dollar, look for vintage cars prices to implode big time - no telling what this might do to other collectibles markets.

Bubbanov

[bendecaster]

I personally think the vintage market will endure the years, but I wish it would decline so I could buy up a bunch of killer old Teles.

And about the little sideline comments above, I am proud to be a American, and love rock & roll, country, blues... BUT, if I had never seen those Liverpool lads on Ed Sullivan back in the day as an impressionable kid, I don't know if I ever would have had the drive to stick to it, and become a competent guitarist. Those guys knocked me over, and totally changed my views about music! I didn't give a bloody crap about who there influences were, and where it originated....I just wanted to DO what they were doing!