who's better burton Vs paisley

Brad_Paisley · July 28th, 2005, 01:12 AM

ok ... who do you think is a better picker .

James Burton or Brad Paisley

who is the Fastest !
who is the more creative !
who makes less mistakes !
who can do laps around who !

olewichita · July 28th, 2005, 02:14 AM

james burton wrote the book and nobody ever did it better or tastier... burton is on a par with hendrix as far as being a creator/innovator... he's truly one of the greatest musicians/guitarists of our time... that said apples and oranges and of course paisley is a great guitar player in his own right...

tj

Jef · July 28th, 2005, 05:13 AM

amen!

It's the dwarf on the giant's shoulders thing.
Both great players, but James is the giant.

Walter Broes · July 28th, 2005, 05:41 AM

Yep, what TJ said.

Jim W · July 28th, 2005, 06:23 AM

Comparing Burton with Paisley is somewhat like comparing apples to oranges. Both great players and appear to be nice guys. That being said

Burton has a 40+ year career - Paisley 5 years or less

A major difference is that Burton is studio player so he has played on or for many artist covering a wide range of styles (country, rock, pop). Thought I read somewhere that he plays on some Frank Sinatra stuff. As a studio player, he is there to support the song and or artist, thus there are limited solos and sutle fills etc.

Paisley so far has really only played guitar on his stuff. Thus since he is the "star" he can (may be) be a little flashier. Of course, most of his playing also is in support of the song so again not a lot of solos for solos sake. It is important to note that many artist don't play guitar on their records even if they are good or may play live.

Eric Clapton generally doesn't do long solos when guesting on other artists recording projects (excluding where long solos may be expected e.g., Mayall).

Comparisons between different players styles is can be useful and is interesting (may help you narrow down how you might play). We can have "favorite" players. But this there is really no way to determine the best (fastest, etc.) so why to we do this. Of course, we could have a guitar toss, than you could have the best guitar tosser, because he or she would toss it the furthest or strongest because he can pick up the most guitars.

Because Burton has had a much longer and more diverse career compared to Paisley it would seem to me that if there was (were) a method(s) to rate those criteria mention in the intial post that you would be able to find something by Burton (shear numbers) that would top Paisley.

I would rather just acknowledge that both are excellent players and leave it go at that.

JMO

Jim

gls500 · July 28th, 2005, 06:32 AM

No way to pick. Both are great stylists and innovators. The music world is better for having both of them around.

BTW - Welcome to the board. For what it's worth, lots of our favorite artists are actually on this board, and use their real name as their username. To avoid confusion, maybe consider using "PaisleyFan" or something similar? It's your choice of course, but just a suggestion.

T Prior · July 28th, 2005, 06:45 AM

James is a legend.....

Brad will become a legend..if he stays healthy and survives...but he needs a few more decades under his belt...

Whats better ?

A 63 Split Window Fuel Injected Coupe

or

A 2006- Z06

One will knock the other right off the planet..but that does not mean it's better...

WickedGTR · July 28th, 2005, 08:43 AM

Simple.

Burton Is A Diety,

BP is a very good guitar player.

T. Red · July 28th, 2005, 08:50 AM

James invented tele playing, end of story.

KnopflerStyle · July 28th, 2005, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T. Red

James invented tele playing, end of story.

:D

txjonc · July 28th, 2005, 09:56 AM

I like both of them and can listen to either one for days!

There are so many great players out there and of all the greats no 2 play the same or sound the same, that's what sets them apart from each other. There are so many players that try to sound just like JB or Bp or Brent, Redd, Roy N, Roy B etc. they don't let there on personality come out. Just be yourself, steal from the best and make it part of yours and play what you feel.

Ignatius · July 28th, 2005, 09:58 AM

Neither. I think I'm a lot better than either of those guys.

Ok, seriously. Neither. They're both great, as are a ton of other players. To me this is like saying that the color red is better than carpet shampoo.

Zac · July 28th, 2005, 01:22 PM

Brad would be the first to say that James wrote the book. Zac

Ignatius · July 28th, 2005, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zac

Brad would be the first to say that James wrote the book. Zac

One thing that all great players have in common is due recognition of those who came before them. Brad is probably my favorite guitar player these days, but you can tell that he went back and studied the greats as he developed his own style. The other thing that most great musicians have in common is humility, and everything I've read about Brad tells me he's humble too (despite being an absolutely monstrous picker).

If I could play 1/100th of what Brad plays on his worst day, I'd strut around acting like the biggest jerk you've ever met

kp8 · July 28th, 2005, 01:43 PM

I love Brad's guitar playing but dislike his music. I find his guitar playing in general to be opposite to his songs. I wish i could get on board with what he is doing but there are just somethings i can't get past. Someone said oh, listen to that cigar song, but honestly i really disliked it. The best thing i heard by him is that little clip of him playing that Z amp. Dang that guy can play. It is funny you mention JB, cause (just my opinion here ) if he was someone who played on other folks records i would prolly really like him. I just don't like his song, lyics, sensibility or the sound of his voice. I am glad he is around and happy others get pleasure from his performances, but his stuff is just not for me.

-kp8--

gitarjoe · July 28th, 2005, 02:14 PM

no doubt in my mind.
BTW, in the latest issue of vg player, paisley said that one day burton wanted to meet him. Paisleys exact words were" I felt like I was being summoned by a king"

RBrooks · July 28th, 2005, 02:42 PM

FYI-

Jame Burton is sponsoring a 3-day event in August 19-21 for charity in his home town of Shreveport with proceeds going to charity.

As part of the festival there will be a concert on Sat featuring James and other guitar greats.( check out website for more info)

Brad and James per Vintage Guitar are supposed to debut a new instrumental from Brad's album. Could it get any better.

Alot of guitar players today myself included wouldn't be playing Tele's if we had never seen or heard James Burton performing with Ricky Nelson,Elvis Presely, John Denver , Emmylou Harris or Jerry Lee Lewis -these folks all shared one thing: the greatest tele picker in history. :

bo · July 28th, 2005, 03:31 PM

I don't think Brad would be the same if Jim didn't exist. I can play more classic song riffs by Burton than I can by Paisley.

chickenpicker · July 28th, 2005, 03:36 PM

Anyone with Burton in their name has a genetic advantage as a guitarist.

It's the law.

TELECASTERbstrd · July 28th, 2005, 03:40 PM

Paisley.

I remember hearing Burton with Emmylou and some Elvis and here and there but I never heard anything really hot that I can recall. Yes he is an original and an innovator and an influence, but I never heard any hot.

Paisley is all that and hot, but hot keeps geeting hotter with each generation that comes forth.

no compare.

Twin Reiver · July 28th, 2005, 04:35 PM

Well it's just my opinion, but I would put James Burton's playing on Dale Hawkin's "Suzy Q" up against anything ... simple, smokin', perfect and one of the truly iconic guitar riffs of rock 'n' roll. And he was 15 when he played it.

I think when we debate things like this we have to bear in mind that without James Burton, there would be no Brad Paisley, among many many others. Besides, the logical conclusion to this kind of thinking is that Yngwie Malmsteen (or whoever, fill in the blank) is the best guitarist, because he is the fastest and flashiest. The "hottest." Which is a criteria of judgement that has done a lot more harm than good to the world of guitar playing :D

p.s. Ever heard Ooh Las Vegas by Gram Parsons?

oltimeyrider · July 28th, 2005, 05:20 PM

I dig Brad's playing. He's cool. But he's got a lot of roads to go down before he's where James Burton is.

It's kind of an unfair comaprison.

jjh37854 · July 28th, 2005, 06:00 PM

TELECASTERbstrd rent "A Black and White Night" with Roy Orbison, a great watch, and Burton gets to cut it up, you will not be dissapointed

OutlawSteph · July 28th, 2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Reiver

p.s. Ever heard Ooh Las Vegas by Gram Parsons?

One of my favorites!

I can't even comment on the debate.. Burton vs. White would be more appropriate.. or Paisley vs. Urban.

Buckocaster51 · July 28th, 2005, 09:13 PM

of my Top 10 favorite recordings - ever - the top three of the Top 10 change positions from time to time, but for the last 15 years or so they have been:

Someday Soon - Judy Collins
Return of the Greivous Angel - Gram Parsons
El Paso - Mary Robbins

Can you guess what those first two have in common?

Oh - Hello Marylou has spent time in the Top 10 as well.

JohnK24 · July 28th, 2005, 09:19 PM

silly question...music ain't no competition...most non-musicians don't carry about chops, they like the SONG and how it's all put together for the total package.

J

July 28th, 2005, 01:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Brad_Paisley Banned TDPRI Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10	who's better burton Vs paisley ok ... who do you think is a better picker . James Burton or Brad Paisley who is the Fastest ! who is the more creative ! who makes less mistakes ! who can do laps around who !

July 28th, 2005, 02:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
olewichita Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,144	hmmm... james burton wrote the book and nobody ever did it better or tastier... burton is on a par with hendrix as far as being a creator/innovator... he's truly one of the greatest musicians/guitarists of our time... that said apples and oranges and of course paisley is a great guitar player in his own right... tj

July 28th, 2005, 05:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jef Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 666 1 Photos	amen! It's the dwarf on the giant's shoulders thing. Both great players, but James is the giant. __________________ It'll hurt tomorrow but tonight it hurts so good. (Dale Watson)

July 28th, 2005, 06:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
T Prior Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 871	what is the point of the question ? James is a legend..... Brad will become a legend..if he stays healthy and survives...but he needs a few more decades under his belt... Whats better ? A 63 Split Window Fuel Injected Coupe or A 2006- Z06 One will knock the other right off the planet..but that does not mean it's better...

July 28th, 2005, 09:56 AM	#11 (permalink)
txjonc Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 406 6 Photos	James or Brad? I like both of them and can listen to either one for days! There are so many great players out there and of all the greats no 2 play the same or sound the same, that's what sets them apart from each other. There are so many players that try to sound just like JB or Bp or Brent, Redd, Roy N, Roy B etc. they don't let there on personality come out. Just be yourself, steal from the best and make it part of yours and play what you feel. __________________ Pick it Moon!

July 28th, 2005, 05:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
Walter Broes Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Age: 38 Posts: 364	Yep, what TJ said.

July 28th, 2005, 06:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jim W Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 426	Comparing Burton with Paisley is somewhat like comparing apples to oranges. Both great players and appear to be nice guys. That being said Burton has a 40+ year career - Paisley 5 years or less A major difference is that Burton is studio player so he has played on or for many artist covering a wide range of styles (country, rock, pop). Thought I read somewhere that he plays on some Frank Sinatra stuff. As a studio player, he is there to support the song and or artist, thus there are limited solos and sutle fills etc. Paisley so far has really only played guitar on his stuff. Thus since he is the "star" he can (may be) be a little flashier. Of course, most of his playing also is in support of the song so again not a lot of solos for solos sake. It is important to note that many artist don't play guitar on their records even if they are good or may play live. Eric Clapton generally doesn't do long solos when guesting on other artists recording projects (excluding where long solos may be expected e.g., Mayall). Comparisons between different players styles is can be useful and is interesting (may help you narrow down how you might play). We can have "favorite" players. But this there is really no way to determine the best (fastest, etc.) so why to we do this. Of course, we could have a guitar toss, than you could have the best guitar tosser, because he or she would toss it the furthest or strongest because he can pick up the most guitars. Because Burton has had a much longer and more diverse career compared to Paisley it would seem to me that if there was (were) a method(s) to rate those criteria mention in the intial post that you would be able to find something by Burton (shear numbers) that would top Paisley. I would rather just acknowledge that both are excellent players and leave it go at that. JMO Jim

July 28th, 2005, 06:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
gls500 Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 894	No way to pick. Both are great stylists and innovators. The music world is better for having both of them around. BTW - Welcome to the board. For what it's worth, lots of our favorite artists are actually on this board, and use their real name as their username. To avoid confusion, maybe consider using "PaisleyFan" or something similar? It's your choice of course, but just a suggestion.

July 28th, 2005, 08:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
WickedGTR Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hillbilly Hollywood Posts: 2,050 4 Photos	Simple. Burton Is A Diety, BP is a very good guitar player.

July 28th, 2005, 08:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
T. Red TDPRI Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 30	James invented tele playing, end of story.

July 28th, 2005, 09:58 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ignatius Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 724 1 Photos	Neither. I think I'm a lot better than either of those guys. Ok, seriously. Neither. They're both great, as are a ton of other players. To me this is like saying that the color red is better than carpet shampoo.

July 28th, 2005, 01:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
Zac Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: TN Posts: 132	Brad would be the first to say that James wrote the book. Zac

July 28th, 2005, 01:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
kp8 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552	I love Brad's guitar playing but dislike his music. I find his guitar playing in general to be opposite to his songs. I wish i could get on board with what he is doing but there are just somethings i can't get past. Someone said oh, listen to that cigar song, but honestly i really disliked it. The best thing i heard by him is that little clip of him playing that Z amp. Dang that guy can play. It is funny you mention JB, cause (just my opinion here ) if he was someone who played on other folks records i would prolly really like him. I just don't like his song, lyics, sensibility or the sound of his voice. I am glad he is around and happy others get pleasure from his performances, but his stuff is just not for me. -kp8--

July 28th, 2005, 02:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
gitarjoe Tele-Holic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 987 15 Photos	There is just..... no doubt in my mind. BTW, in the latest issue of vg player, paisley said that one day burton wanted to meet him. Paisleys exact words were" I felt like I was being summoned by a king" __________________ Just my two cents.

July 28th, 2005, 02:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
RBrooks TDPRI Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 41	FYI- Jame Burton is sponsoring a 3-day event in August 19-21 for charity in his home town of Shreveport with proceeds going to charity. As part of the festival there will be a concert on Sat featuring James and other guitar greats.( check out website for more info) Brad and James per Vintage Guitar are supposed to debut a new instrumental from Brad's album. Could it get any better. Alot of guitar players today myself included wouldn't be playing Tele's if we had never seen or heard James Burton performing with Ricky Nelson,Elvis Presely, John Denver , Emmylou Harris or Jerry Lee Lewis -these folks all shared one thing: the greatest tele picker in history. :

July 28th, 2005, 03:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
bo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,670	I don't think Brad would be the same if Jim didn't exist. I can play more classic song riffs by Burton than I can by Paisley.

July 28th, 2005, 03:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
chickenpicker Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,060 14 Photos	What's in a name? Anyone with Burton in their name has a genetic advantage as a guitarist. It's the law.

July 28th, 2005, 03:40 PM	#20 (permalink)
TELECASTERbstrd Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hill Country TEXAS Posts: 630	Paisley. I remember hearing Burton with Emmylou and some Elvis and here and there but I never heard anything really hot that I can recall. Yes he is an original and an innovator and an influence, but I never heard any hot. Paisley is all that and hot, but hot keeps geeting hotter with each generation that comes forth. no compare. __________________ Howdy Y'all, most of my stuff pertains to country music. my MySpace Music Hill Country Horseworks

July 28th, 2005, 04:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
Twin Reiver Tele-Holic Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 564	Never heard anything hot from Burton? Well it's just my opinion, but I would put James Burton's playing on Dale Hawkin's "Suzy Q" up against anything ... simple, smokin', perfect and one of the truly iconic guitar riffs of rock 'n' roll. And he was 15 when he played it. I think when we debate things like this we have to bear in mind that without James Burton, there would be no Brad Paisley, among many many others. Besides, the logical conclusion to this kind of thinking is that Yngwie Malmsteen (or whoever, fill in the blank) is the best guitarist, because he is the fastest and flashiest. The "hottest." Which is a criteria of judgement that has done a lot more harm than good to the world of guitar playing :D p.s. Ever heard Ooh Las Vegas by Gram Parsons? __________________ never got a flash out of cocktails....

July 28th, 2005, 05:20 PM	#22 (permalink)
oltimeyrider TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 94	I dig Brad's playing. He's cool. But he's got a lot of roads to go down before he's where James Burton is. It's kind of an unfair comaprison.

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jjh37854 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Francisco Age: 34 Posts: 1,114 7 Photos	TELECASTERbstrd rent "A Black and White Night" with Roy Orbison, a great watch, and Burton gets to cut it up, you will not be dissapointed

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Buckocaster51 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Iowa USA Age: 56 Posts: 4,580 1 Photos	I have this list of my Top 10 favorite recordings - ever - the top three of the Top 10 change positions from time to time, but for the last 15 years or so they have been: Someday Soon - Judy Collins Return of the Greivous Angel - Gram Parsons El Paso - Mary Robbins Can you guess what those first two have in common? Oh - Hello Marylou has spent time in the Top 10 as well.

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JohnK24 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Saxonburg,PA Posts: 1,344	silly question...music ain't no competition...most non-musicians don't carry about chops, they like the SONG and how it's all put together for the total package. J __________________ Got Twang ?!

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