What do these bidders know that I don't

motor_city_tele · July 26th, 2005, 03:35 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ory=38083&rd=1

Up for auction is a Telecaster neck of unknown manufacture

I don't think this neck is worth 222.50.
but 17 bidders disagree I guess.

Poppatwang · July 26th, 2005, 03:54 PM

Mentions a defect & somehow can't get a close-up
photo of it. I imagine some folks think they're gonna
get a real custom shop neck for cheap.

BB · July 26th, 2005, 03:58 PM

That PT Barum ( and his "Sucker born every minute" theory ) is a big, fat liar!!

TDPRI · July 26th, 2005, 03:59 PM

I'd guess they think its a Custom Shop neck. It could be a fake but those Custom Shop logos don't usually turn up on a fraud. At least the seller is way up front about his lack of knowledge about what it really is. I'd say it's worth that -- Imagine that you buy that, and create your very own Custom Tele?

Paul Green
PS. I can imagine a dishonest person might try to make a Tele out of this and sell it on Ebay as a CS Custom Tele for a hefty rip-off profit.

timgreene · July 26th, 2005, 04:28 PM

looks like a nice neck. Could be off a muddy waters, but i dont think so, from the truss rod adjustment nut location. Nice piece of rosewood, on it though.

Hard to tell, what it is.

I have my suspicions about the buyers intentions, down the road, as far as honestly stating it is not a custom shop neck.

Fuzzyhead · July 26th, 2005, 05:22 PM

The "Custom Telecaster" font looks wrong to me....

JoeAArthur · July 26th, 2005, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB

That PT Barum ( and his "Sucker born every minute" theory ) is a big, fat liar!!

I agree... the birth rate is much higher.

J-man · July 26th, 2005, 07:48 PM

It doesn't look too real to me, but it does look like a nice neck!

Stumpy · July 26th, 2005, 09:50 PM

No string tree, not even a hole where one used to be ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by motor_city_tele

Up for auction is a Telecaster neck of unknown manufacture

At least the seller is honest! :P

Kevin · July 26th, 2005, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webmaster

I'd guess they think its a Custom Shop neck. I could be a fake but those Custom Shop logos don't usually turn up on a fraud. ....

Don't be too sure about that, guys.

I have a stack of them that were sent to me as an "extra" one time. I've never used them, but if I have them, someone else probably does, too.

OutlawSteph · July 27th, 2005, 07:44 AM

Were do these guys get the Fender decals? Do they make them?

Ronkirn · July 27th, 2005, 08:10 AM

Kinda makes ya say Hummmmmm. . .

The edges are too round, or soft, like it was hand sanded by someone that knew nothing about refinishing,

The Truss Rod adjustment nut is full of polishing compound, and it appears relatively new like the nut hasn't been adjusted since it was polished.

No string tree hole...so the neck almost certainly was never used. And no impressions where the tuning keys were mounted.

And the biggie, “Unknown Manufacture”. It makes me wonder where all the stuff comes from. All these guys that list stuff that they don’t know where is came from. Like what, they just rolled over one morning and there it was laying next to them in their bed? What, did they pick it up in a drunken stooper at some bar on Saturday night?

When a seller starts throwing around ambiguous statements like “I don’t know”, in e-Bayonics its code for watch out, here it comes. It’s a weasel clause for claiming they didn’t know about the loose frets, major warp, or whatever.

While it actually wasn’t P T Barnum that said it, it was one of his competitors; it still has application in this situation. There are indeed enough suckers out there to go around.

Anyone know what Caveat Emptor means?

Ron Kirn

fenderrookie · July 27th, 2005, 08:40 AM

Here is the textbook Latin definition:

Before statutory law, the buyer had no warranty of the quality of goods. In many jurisdictions, the law now requires that goods must be of "merchantable quality". However, this implied warranty can be difficult to enforce, and may not apply to all products. Hence, buyers are still advised to be cautious.

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Stumpy · July 27th, 2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronkirn

"e-Bayonics"

I think you just coined a new phrase! :D

GTO · July 27th, 2005, 03:48 PM

The crucial evidence is, of course, that the CS logo is "under the finish". No CS logo is ever 'under the finish', unless it is one of the plain old embossed logo's. The black ones are always printed on the top of the finish. That, and the fact the rest screams fake.

Teletwang · July 27th, 2005, 03:58 PM

Not sure about the neck in question but I have 3 Custom Shop necks - and each has both a red ink Custom Shop stamp (looks like the decal at headstock) at the heel and "Vasquez"(sp?) stamped there as well. Also a stamped date and guitar model handwritten at the butt end. All under the lacquer. Anything is possible in guitar
manf.

Cheers, Paul

GTO · July 28th, 2005, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Anything is possible in guitar

I was refering to the logo on the headstock, but am curious about the stamped logo and signature being under the lacquer at the heel's of your three necks Teletwang. Wouldn't that mean they 'signed off' the neck before they had finished it on each occasion? Usually CS necks have an unlacquered heel (as do most guitars as it stops the lacquer sticking to the pocket). I'm more at home with the Time Machine series, and just wonder which CS guitars they came from?

T Prior · July 28th, 2005, 06:49 AM

to type bigger numbers in the "PLACE BID " window ?

July 26th, 2005, 03:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
motor_city_tele TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: motor city Posts: 78 18 Photos	What do these bidders know that I don't http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ory=38083&rd=1 Up for auction is a Telecaster neck of unknown manufacture I don't think this neck is worth 222.50. but 17 bidders disagree I guess. __________________ You're gonna need a bigger boat!

July 26th, 2005, 03:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Poppatwang Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 1,867 13 Photos	Mentions a defect & somehow can't get a close-up photo of it. I imagine some folks think they're gonna get a real custom shop neck for cheap. __________________ The Dieselfitters http://www.dieselfitters.com Roy Hubbs http://www.royhubbs.com

July 26th, 2005, 03:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
BB Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Pacific NW Age: 53 Posts: 3,113	Re: What do these bidders know that I don't That PT Barum ( and his "Sucker born every minute" theory ) is a big, fat liar!!

July 26th, 2005, 04:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
timgreene Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,254 10 Photos	looks like a nice neck. Could be off a muddy waters, but i dont think so, from the truss rod adjustment nut location. Nice piece of rosewood, on it though. Hard to tell, what it is. I have my suspicions about the buyers intentions, down the road, as far as honestly stating it is not a custom shop neck. __________________ opinions expressed are the view of the author, and are not necesarily correct.

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Fuzzyhead Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bonn (Yer-up) Age: 25 Posts: 1,350 23 Photos	The "Custom Telecaster" font looks wrong to me.... __________________ about me: blog, photos & musical preferences

July 26th, 2005, 03:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
TDPRI Administrator Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: TDPRILAND Posts: 5,399 36 Photos	I'd guess they think its a Custom Shop neck. It could be a fake but those Custom Shop logos don't usually turn up on a fraud. At least the seller is way up front about his lack of knowledge about what it really is. I'd say it's worth that -- Imagine that you buy that, and create your very own Custom Tele? Paul Green PS. I can imagine a dishonest person might try to make a Tele out of this and sell it on Ebay as a CS Custom Tele for a hefty rip-off profit.

July 26th, 2005, 07:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
J-man Moderator Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Wales/Scarborough Age: 19 Posts: 6,172 9 Photos	It doesn't look too real to me, but it does look like a nice neck! __________________ Write a wise saying and your name will live forever. - Unknown "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." - Tom Waits

July 27th, 2005, 07:44 AM	#11 (permalink)
OutlawSteph Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 453	Were do these guys get the Fender decals? Do they make them? __________________ 'From the hills they came, from backwoods without a name, carrying their guitars and a heartful of southern soul..'

July 27th, 2005, 08:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ronkirn Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 62 Posts: 2,570	Kinda makes ya say Hummmmmm. . . Kinda makes ya say Hummmmmm. . . The edges are too round, or soft, like it was hand sanded by someone that knew nothing about refinishing, The Truss Rod adjustment nut is full of polishing compound, and it appears relatively new like the nut hasn't been adjusted since it was polished. No string tree hole...so the neck almost certainly was never used. And no impressions where the tuning keys were mounted. And the biggie, “Unknown Manufacture”. It makes me wonder where all the stuff comes from. All these guys that list stuff that they don’t know where is came from. Like what, they just rolled over one morning and there it was laying next to them in their bed? What, did they pick it up in a drunken stooper at some bar on Saturday night? When a seller starts throwing around ambiguous statements like “I don’t know”, in e-Bayonics its code for watch out, here it comes. It’s a weasel clause for claiming they didn’t know about the loose frets, major warp, or whatever. While it actually wasn’t P T Barnum that said it, it was one of his competitors; it still has application in this situation. There are indeed enough suckers out there to go around. Anyone know what Caveat Emptor means? Ron Kirn

July 27th, 2005, 08:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
fenderrookie TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Georgia Posts: 85	Caveat emptor is Latin for "let the buyer beware". Here is the textbook Latin definition: Before statutory law, the buyer had no warranty of the quality of goods. In many jurisdictions, the law now requires that goods must be of "merchantable quality". However, this implied warranty can be difficult to enforce, and may not apply to all products. Hence, buyers are still advised to be cautious. [/b]

July 27th, 2005, 03:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
GTO Tele-Holic Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Peak District Posts: 775	The crucial evidence is, of course, that the CS logo is "under the finish". No CS logo is ever 'under the finish', unless it is one of the plain old embossed logo's. The black ones are always printed on the top of the finish. That, and the fact the rest screams fake.

July 27th, 2005, 03:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
Teletwang Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Connecticut Age: 41 Posts: 1,275 1 Photos	Not sure about the neck in question but I have 3 Custom Shop necks - and each has both a red ink Custom Shop stamp (looks like the decal at headstock) at the heel and "Vasquez"(sp?) stamped there as well. Also a stamped date and guitar model handwritten at the butt end. All under the lacquer. Anything is possible in guitar manf. Cheers, Paul

July 28th, 2005, 06:49 AM	#18 (permalink)
T Prior Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 875	they know how to type bigger numbers in the "PLACE BID " window ?