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[slack]

Originally Posted by bo

Isn't that a slightly shallow notch for a '69?

Nope. On bodies without the diagonal channel rout, from 68 through 72, the notch is inconsistent. Lots of bodies from those years have deep, clean notches like earlier years, some are less so. Some made in 72 have meager little notches cut into the post-72 upper bout curve, before it was gone for good in 73.

[slack]

Originally Posted by jackdc100

Ok I'm scared enough to not buy it at this point. I'd be interested as to why someone would fake a guitar that has been modded so obviously though.....not that you guys aren't right.

I'm still amazed that people think this guitar is a fake. We've been calling out fakes or squirrelly guitars here for years and years... Discussing them again and again... Didn't anyone learn anything?

[63dot]

Originally Posted by slack

I'm still amazed that people think this guitar is a fake. We've been calling out fakes or squirrelly guitars here for years and years... Discussing them again and again... Didn't anyone learn anything?

Yeah, that's right we are all completely stupid and not superior like you!

[slack]

Originally Posted by 63dot

Yeah, that's right we are all completely stupid and not superior like you!

That's immature and inappropriate.

There are posts in this thread arguing that a guitar this person inquired about is a fake. The arguments are uninformed and without merit. I'm simply responding to these unfortunate posts and suggesting that if one searches this forum there are many past discussions about guitars from the same year which might prove educational here.

My knowledge of Teles from that era doesn't make me superior, but it might benefit you to take my comments more seriously. Grow up.

[joeybsyc]

If I was buying a vintage tele, I would just PM the pics to Slack, and avoid the misinformation from everyone else that you need to sift through in a thread like this. He knows his stuff without a doubt...I firmly believe everything he's said in this thread is correct. (and no, I don't know him from Adam, but the man knows vintage Telecasters better than anyone I've seen on this forum.)

[63dot]

Originally Posted by slack

That's immature and inappropriate.

There are posts in this thread arguing that a guitar this person inquired about is a fake. The arguments are uninformed and without merit. I'm simply responding to these unfortunate posts and suggesting that if one searches this forum there are many past discussions about guitars from the same year which might prove educational here.

My knowledge of Teles from that era doesn't make me superior, but it might benefit you to take my comments more seriously. Grow up.

I have no idea how you have been here so long without being banned. You are simply the most insulting and condescending piece of work online. I would give respect to you if you didn't tear everybody up you talked to. It's so unfortunate and trolls like you make this site less fun.

[slack]

Originally Posted by 63dot

I have no idea how you have been here so long without being banned. You are simply the most insulting and condescending piece of work online. I would give respect to you if you didn't tear everybody up you talked to. It's so unfortunate and trolls like you make this site less fun.

I think someone making a post like this is either intent on diversion and making trouble or has very thin skin.

Of course, calling me a troll makes your posts silly (at best).

(If you believe my responses to posts like this are insulting or condescending, you might reconsider what you've posted that elicited the responses. )

[63dot]

Originally Posted by slack

I think someone making a post like this is either intent on diversion and making trouble or has very thin skin.

Of course, calling me a troll makes your posts silly (at best).

(If you believe my responses to posts like this are insulting or condescending, you might reconsider what you've posted that elicited the responses. )

This site is a community of guitar players who like teles. You are on Google as a troll here so I am not the first one to bring it up.

You may or may not be a guitar player, and that's really not my business as this site is open to all, but please be nice to us guitar players who use this site as a resource. If you want to fight, go to an unmoderated music topic site.

But anyway, back to topic. There are some concerns people have brought up on this guitar, and while it may be original with mods (maybe a little but maybe too much for asking price?, or a complete fake, wouldn't it be safe to actually see the guitar? (to OP)

[Buckocaster51]

Just a reminder guys:

IMPORTANT:Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult! No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.

It is at the bottom of every page.



Now let's have a group hug.

[slack]

Originally Posted by 63dot

You are on Google as a troll here so I am not the first one to bring it up.

What the hell are you talking about?

You make reckless posts asserting a guitar is a fake, but take offense to having your opinion challenged.

Now you've taken to reckless name-calling, asserting that I'm regarded as a "troll." Care to substantiate that assertion?

[boris bubbanov]

Originally Posted by 63dot

Yeah, that's right we are all completely stupid and not superior like you!

You're totally out of line.

I've read this guy's posts, and cross checked his information.

I can't recall ever seeing him get one wrong.

His knowledge is worth taking good care of.

You run a fellah like Slack off, and all you have is a social club.

I'm just amazed.

[charlie chitlin]

Looks real to me.
Date stamp is right for some '69's.
I always wondered if one could fake a '69 pick guard by getting a lefty MOP one and flipping it.

[goonie]

Originally Posted by charlie chitlin

Date stamp is right for some '69's.

This is the point some seem to have trouble comprehending, and the reason for slack's understandable frustration.

[twangplank]

I own a confirmed 69 and this guitar is not only a legit 69 tele its not a bad deal. Not a dream deal but I'd jump on it if I didn't already own a 69 and a 68. If its a fake its good enough you'd never know.

There have been some statements that have been flat wrong and make me want to just send a pm the next time I have questions. Too many self proclaimed experts I guess.

[twangplank]

Why would someone put an unoriginal route in a fake?

[Bartholomew3]

Sure had me fooled cause I bought one new at the end of 68, beginning of 69 and the date stamp on the neck is VERY clear - May 8, 1968.

Totally different neck stamp for what appears to be a few months difference.

Better to err on the side of caution in any situation - walking away is free.

[slack]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew3

Sure had me fooled cause I bought one new at the end of 68, beginning of 69 and the date stamp on the neck is VERY clear - May 8, 1968.

Totally different neck stamp for what appears to be a few months difference

The different stamp formats were used concurrently. A 69 1-pc neck could have either type of stamp.

Btw, your neck would not be stamped May 8. Neck stamps, pre-70s 8-digit codes, did not include days. It should have a leading 3, for the model code (since it was stamped before it was even shaped) and it probably ends with a B for standard width. Perhaps you are confusing the B for an 8. It probably reads "3 MAY 68 B."

[Bartholomew3]

Looked at the pic I have Slack from when I had it in pieces a couple of months back - can't upload the pic cause the file is too big.

But I have to say you are right on - "3 May 68 B" is exactly what it is. I remembered it incorrectly.

[jackdc100]

I have better/bigger pics of the guitar if any of you guys want to check out specific parts including the pickups. PM me if you want me to forward them to you via email.

[jackdc100]

Originally Posted by Radspin

For what it's worth, I have a '69 Tele with some changed parts but I am the original owner and changed all the parts (and mostly back) myself, so here are some observations:

My neck has a date stamp that says "April 69" (and the other markings that indicate the type of neck, which I can't remember without popping the neck).

It's gotten PLENTY of use but the "F" tuners still look new and shiny.

Serial number is 244XXX.

Pots are 1 Meg. Bridge pickup is wrapped with white string, does not look potted and is so microphonic you can actually talk into it and hear your voice through the amp.

The lacquer over the decal has NOT yellowed (I know some late '60s and early '70s Fender headstocks have faded over the lacquer). In fact, except for a few dings, the neck looks remarkably unworn. That poly is tough! The fretwork is so-so--some of the upper frets actually appear to be almost unfinished. I have never bothered to get this fixed...someday...I bought the guitar when I was 14 and just thought that's how guitars were supposed to be. The neck profile is nice and big. Workmanship on the neck is mediocre...the side dots are so badly installed that there are actually gaps between the dots and the wood in some of them.

The body finish appears to be lacquer over poly. In some areas of heavy wear, like arm wear, the color has worn off but the underlying clear coat is still there. Curiously, on the parts of the edges on the lower bout where the guitar contacts the case, the finish has worn away to the bare wood in areas about an inch or two wide.

I don't remember if the original pickguard had a pearloid backing or not as unfortunately I lost it decades ago (after it was routed for a humbucker--ouch).

No diagonal rout between the neck pickup and the control cavity.

The guitar is extremely light weight...around 6 lbs!

The blond finish shows some bluish grain lines but they're faint.

I will be out of town for a couple of days so if anyone wants pics I can take them on Friday..PM me to remind me.

Guitar is all original except for replacement pickguard ('70s I believe), neck pickup, one (period correct) bridge piece and the control plate (I have the original but it has a hole drilled in it for a coil-splitter switch--more ugh--so i replaced it with an '80s part).

I'd love to see the pics if you have the time to load them:)