This Is Just Plain OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!

[Greg V]

Hey Bill,

Thanks for the heads-up on these! I also agree, a wonderful refinement for many players, you always find the cool stuff... Right On!

[guitar_ed]

I ordered my all brass saddles last Tues, and on Friday I had them in my hands. I thought it would take longer. Lesson to business people: You will never lose a customer by exceeding expectations. This did exceed my expectations.

Anyways, now that my wife is gone, I put them on today. I learned a few lessons.

1) It has got to be much easier to install the saddles with the bridge not installed on the guitar. But I was not going to dismantle my Tele just for this.

2) The saddle intonations screws/springs that came on my stock Fender bridge are just the right size to need a screw driver to get the screw out of the bridge. The good news is that the screw fits the Glendale saddles just perfect. That saved a lot of time and aggravation.

3) It helps a lot if you re-adjust the saddle height screws so that the saddle sits on the bridge when trying to insert the intonation screw. Adjust the height as required after this point.
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1) The stock saddles were not properly intonated, but putting on the Glendales and intonating properly does seem to have helped a lot with the tone. More than I would have expected given that I play mainly on the first few frets.

2) The E/A and B/E string pairs intonate perfectly (99.5%) as best as my Korg tuner can tell, the D/G pair almost perfectly (95%). That is pretty damn good IMHO.

3) I used d'Addario XL 9's

I will probably buy more as circumstances allow.

Guitar Ed

[bukowski]

I ordered the twang set and love them they came fast and dale knows how to ship to canada thanks dale ,I replaced a set of barden brass compensated ,I like these better I like the aliminum saddle on the 5th and 6th string these strings can get muddy and this saddle cleans that up and gives more definition (a little brighter)

[MandyMarie]

Hey guys...I'm not trying to pick a fight in the least, I'm being sincere and I promise that - but besides the material options, how are these any different than Joe Barden's?

I've had a set of Joe's saddles and one of his bridgeplates for about a year and a half now on an Esquire - I'm not seeing the difference, someone help me out.

[JoeAArthur]

Cool... I need to get some popcorn.

[bukowski]

Hey guys...I'm not trying to pick a fight in the least, I'm being sincere and I promise that - but besides the material options, how are these any different than Joe Barden's?

joe cut the ends thinner on the high e and low e there seems to be more mass on dales saddles the bardens are good saddles I was curuious what the aliuminium(on 5th and 6th ) would sound like and I like it

[JoeAArthur]

Hold on MandyMarie... I'm sure the real heat is coming soon... my popcorn is getting cold so I sure hope so.

Side note: Been quite a few changes to the GlendaleGuitars website. They first had mismatched braces ("{}") around a comment about Ernie ball strings... then they corrected the dangling brace, then they removed the braces entirely.

Side note continued: Oh... somewhere a comment about Ernie Ball strings appeared excluding wound third strings... and perfect intonation is now specified as within .1hz...

Side note continued, continued: but, Hmm... still no comment about the Earnie Ball skinny-top heavy-bottom set, but wouldn't that qualify as a 10 set? Oops no... now there is a "Wide Intone” set being developed...

So what about the initial comment that these magical saddles would be in tune with all string sets? Well, just like magic those claims are also gone!!

Anyone wanna meet me in San Pedro to drink some fresh and unsalted Pacific ocean water?

Well as they say... "development continues"...

I withdraw my previous apologies.

[tadeo]

Originally Posted by JoeAArthur

Hold on MandyMarie... I'm sure the real heat is coming soon... my popcorn is getting cold so I sure hope so.

Side note: Been quite a few changes to the GlendaleGuitars website. They first had mismatched braces ("{}") around a comment about Ernie ball strings... then they corrected the dangling brace, then they removed the braces entirely.

Side note continued: Oh... somewhere a comment about Ernie Ball strings appeared excluding wound third strings... and perfect intonation is now specified as within .1hz...

Side note continued, continued: but, Hmm... still no comment about the Earnie Ball skinny-top heavy-bottom set, but wouldn't that qualify as a 10 set? Oops no... now there is a "Wide Intone” set being developed...

So what about the initial comment that these magical saddles would be in tune with all string sets? Well, just like magic those claims are also gone!!

Anyone wanna meet me in San Pedro to drink some fresh and unsalted Pacific ocean water?

Well as they say... "development continues"...

I withdraw my previous apologies.

Exercising every ounce of tolerance I can muster.

Jeez!

TK

[Lyle Caldwell]

I just ordered "The Twang," though I'm a little concerned about whether the aluminum saddle will be too soft for long life (not terribly concerned, as the saddles are cheap). I have the Callaham brass saddles right now, but they don't intonate perfectly, so I'm looking forward to trying the new game in town.

[JoeAArthur]

Originally Posted by tadeo

Exercising every ounce of tolerance I can muster.

Jeez!

TK

Ditto.

[Bill Hullett]

I may be mis reading the intent of your post. and if I am please correct me. But I get the feeling that Dale could make a set of bridges just for your string gauge and you'd still find a way to belittle his efforts...What has he done that offends you to the point that you want to take back an oppoligy!!??

#1. if you were starting out to develop a product you'd try and develop it to work for the majority of people to use....Its just good bussiness sense ...I may be wrong but I'd venture to say that 75% of the Tele players in the world use #9 or #10 strings....So he made a set of bridges that works great for those gauges...Can we get beyond that fact?

#2 I haven't been to his sight in a week or so but if he changing text would it be too hard to figure that he's tweeking his verbage as to not mislead someone one like yourself who uses a gauge not as widely used? Or maybe he should just create a webpage of oppoligies to the people that find his product so offensive :?

#3 it sounds like (according to what you're saying)that he's trying to develop more bridges to meet everyones needs , and you're still dumping on his efforts...

Could you please point me in the direction of who makes more accurate bridges? cause if they are out there I'd honestly like to know...and if there not, Why don't you call Dale and explain what you'd like to see in a bridge. Here we have someone who truely is trying to do something really cool and we as a tele community can give "one on one" input and you are letting that opportunity pass you by , by just berating his work.




Mandy to answer your question....(since Joe didn't)
If I'm not mistaken don't the "Joe Barden" bridges have a 4 degree tilt to them ?? like on the Danny Gatton Teles???

The difference is: (if I'm right in my assumtion of the Joe B. bridges) that Dale makes his bridges with three different angles (a differentangle for each bridge) and by doing this it makes the Tele light years more accurate in tuning all up and down the neck...so much so that its really shocking!!

Hope this helps,
Bill Hullett

[Ron Garson]

I sent an order for a Twang set on Saturday evening, but due to my never ending capacity to get things wrong with a computer, I screwed up the order and had to make some adjustments! I sent a mail to Dale explaining what had happened. On SUNDAY I received a reply from Dale saying.. no problems, and thank you for my order and it will be shipped out tomorrow.
I got a further mail from Dale telling me that he HAD shipped it out Monday!

I think that is great service! For someone placing an order from this side of the pond it can't get better than that! :)

[Chris S.]

Originally Posted by Bill Hullett

Mandy to answer your question....(since Joe didn't)
If I'm not mistaken don't the "Joe Barden" bridges have a 4 degree tilt to them ?? like on the Danny Gatton Teles???

The difference is: (if I'm right in my assumtion of the Joe B. bridges) that Dale makes his bridges with three different angles (a different angle for each bridge) and by doing this it makes the Tele light years more accurate in tuning all up and down the neck...so much so that its really shocking!!

Hey guys. :-) I've been staying out of this discussion for a couple of reasons, not least of which is my lack of direct experience with all the products – but also because JB is an old friend and I don't want to appear "partisan" in any way. But strictly as a point of information: the Joe Barden bridge saddles <u>are</u> also drilled at 3 different angles, specifically to make setting intonation and tuning as accurate as possible.



As you can see from the photo, Joe's saddles are also "notched" under the outside "E" strings (much as some early 50s saddles were) to allow better string-height settings with regard to the radius of the fretboard. And I can tell you (because I remember when Joe first showed them to me) that he started making these a couple of years ago. (Whether he was the first to come up with the idea of compensating the saddles at these particular angles I couldn't say... but I wouldn't be surprised.) ;-)

A couple of other differences I can see between the ones Dale has come up and the JB version are the angle of the height adjustment screws, and Dale's offering the option of a mix of brass and aluminum saddles, which IMHO could be a brilliant idea. :-) And yes, there's definitely a difference in price, too!

Okay, I'm going back to lurking now – except to say that if anyone does have another "agenda" in this discussion, now would be a good time to drop it. Thx, CS :-)

[yegbert]

To answer my own question from my earlier post: the height adjustment screws are allen head. I found that info on the product page.

Terry (tdowns) had commented about the fillister head screws and I was looking at the height adjustment screws trying to see that as well. Now I've figured out, from info on the product page, that it's the intonation adjustment screws that have fillister heads.

Chris S noted Joe's are notched under the Es. When I've tweaked my own set of plain (unnotched) brass saddles to address the same concern, I've filed or ground them at an angle. While I like the idea of the saddle manufacturer doing this type of prep already, it would leave some mass in place and possibly help provide optimum performance (sustain, tone), and help distinguish someone's product from others as being better, if a saddle manufacturer would make this tweak as an angle rather than a notch.

Another feature that would be useful, would be grooves to help hold the strings in place. That's one feature I haven't seen on any compensated saddles. (But maybe I've overlooked someone's product that does?) Now I've made my own grooves on brass saddles, but I haven't attempted it on harder materials. My toploader that really needs grooves is currently set up with Allparts threaded steel, so the threads on them handle this issue for me. The availability of grooves in these Glendale compensated saddles would entice me to try a set.

How are the lengths on the Glendale height adjustment adjustment screws? I realize that for variances in individual guitars different heights may be needed, but three graduated lengths seems appropriate, and options for a few different specific lengths might be handy. I've ground the bottoms of my height screws myself, but it would be nice if I could just pick the lengths I need from an assortment. And since those screws would seem to represent a fairly small portion of the cost of a set, it would seem reasonable for a set of saddles to come with an assortment as part of the basic package, or as an option that could be added to the initial purchase for a small additional amount. Rather than spend the time and money in a second purchase and shipment, to send extra screws of the right length.

Does the angle of the height adjustment screws make them protruding from the top more, or less of a problem with sticking in one's palm or contacting the strings? (The grooves I suggested earlier would address the problem of strings bumping into the screws, but they might still be uncomfortable.)

[Durtdog]

I don't have a dog in this fight, seems some do. I also don't claim to know about the science of saddles. I'm just trying to tune my Tele...

I ordered a "twang" set from Dale when this post first appeared. I had them in 4 days, good service in my opinion. Installed them, played them, and I must tell you, they sound great. They sound balanced, but also twangy and punchy.

When I got around to setting the intonation, it was perfect (I don't have a strobe tuner, just digital).

I'm quite happy, and plan on ordering another set. These saddles are as good as anything I've tried and better than most. Thanks for the heads up, Bill.

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by Bill Hullett

Why do you find any of this so offending????

Bill,

What you did is no different than when someone posts that they just got a 52RI Tele and love it.

Jim

[MandyMarie]

But strictly as a point of information: the Joe Barden bridge saddles are also drilled at 3 different angles, specifically to make setting intonation and tuning as accurate as possible.

As you can see from the photo, Joe's saddles are also "notched" under the outside "E" strings (much as some early 50s saddles were) to allow better string-height settings with regard to the radius of the fretboard.

Thanks so much, Chris - I was literally about ready to pop the strings off my Tele and evaluate Joe's saddles, I kept thinking "what am I missing?!"

Yegburt, I can't speak for anyone elses, but when you order a bridgeplate and saddles from Barden you get a few height adjustment screws in different lengths - when I ordered my first bridgeplate about a year and a half ago, that is one of the things that impressed me the most - I thought that was super cool. In the past I've had them sanded off if they're too tall, the tiny tiny tiny bits of skin that fill up your bridgeplate otherwise is really too much for me to handle... that's so dang gross, eck!

JoeAArthur - you definitely wouldn't want to get popcorn to read something I started hahahaha, I'm much more of a group hug kinda person and it'd be a total bore LOL... :D

Bill, there's absolutely nothing wrong with you posting about a product you're excited about - we do it every day! Keep it up! :-)

[ye olde fretmonkey]

*puts on jeweler's loupe, finds Xacto knife for hairsplitting*

[0le FUZZY]

Thank yew Paul Green and thank yew Chris S.

Thank yew fer leafin this here thread a cookin.[*]Lotta good frens of ours are a postin and this won represents the hoe idea of a discussion page here onna NET.

With all dew respect tew all six sides I remain neutral.

I jes hope this thread stays sew we kin dew a "Search" inna future and fine the information we are searchin fer.

A few bubbles dunn rose tew the top of the water (pea-yew !) but noe body dunn pea-pea-ed inna TDPRI pool real bad yet and iffin they dew I hope the individual post and knott the entire thread will git deleted.



0le FUZZY

[maestrovert]

i'm gonna pull the trigger on a set....
WHY you ask ?
Because Bill Hullett's word is good enough fer me !


'nuff said

[JoeAArthur]

Since the initial erroneous claim of "perfectly in tune with all string sets" no longer exists, my point (my ONLY point as I have tried apparently unsuccessfully to make clear) is now moot.

However, feel free to continue discussing what my "obviously" true and evil intentions really were/are.

I find it somewhat interesting. Either there are a lot of active imaginations or a lot of dealings with devious people!

[Poppatwang]

Folks might be assuming your the guy responsible for the "almost a" disclaimer being added to the Foot Long
Hot Dog signs at the fair.

[bender72]

Originally Posted by 0le FUZZY

[*]A few bubbles dunn rose tew the top of the water (pea-yew !) but noe body dunn pea-pea-ed inna TDPRI pool real bad yet and iffin they dew I hope the individual post and knott the entire thread will git deleted.



0le FUZZY

FYKM, that's the knew ack-crow-nyhm for the year!
(Fuzzy Your Killi