This Is Just Plain OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!

[Dale Clark]

Bill,
Yes indeed, I owe you a great thanks! I set out on a mission to make something the best possible way that I could, and your words on this thread made it all worth while.
Thanks again! Dale

[JoeAArthur]

So this WAS just a marketing thread.

[fezz parka]

Originally Posted by JoeAArthur

So this WAS just a marketing thread.

Bill is a stand up guy.

Dale is a stand up guy.

Dude. C'mon. Really. :D

[Bill Hullett]

The Thank You's go to Dale for figuring this stuff out so well and then passing it on the guitar comunity at large for a VERY REASONABLE price

Bill Hullett

[JoeAArthur]

Hey... I didn't say anything about them not being stand-up guys.

I've read the Glendale site, and how Dale was all ready to produce different "angles" for his saddles but then automagically everything intonated correctly... well, give me a break.

I know that a set of Gibson Sonomatics 12's (with a wound third), a set of Fender 150's (10-38) and a set of Slinkies heavy bottom/skinny tops (which I use all the time) will not all intonate correctly with the same angle between pairs. And I haven't even started on the flatwounds.

To state that the saddles will intonate on every set of strings is sheer BS. This is magic, not physics... and magic is the realm of marketing, not reality.

Oh yeah, before anyone mentions it... Dale does mention on his site that the strings used with his saddles have to be "balanced". In concise terms, all he is saying is "if your strings don't intonate correctly with my saddles, then it is your fault for selecting those obviously unbalanced set of strings".

I am happy for Dale that people like his products. I am happy for Bill and everyone else that ordered a set likes the way the saddles work on their tele...

But when there is a post about Dale owing Bill a thanks... and then Dale posts his first post, after registering... TODAY... well, sorry guys, but something else is going on behind the scenes.

[Dave Brophy]

Originally Posted by JoeAArthur

But when there is a post about Dale owing Bill a thanks... and then Dale posts his first post, after registering... TODAY... well, sorry guys, but something else is going on behind the scenes.

Wow.A conspiracy in the billion-dollar Tele Compensated Saddle Industry.And with all that money at stake, so poorly executed,what with registering and posting on the same day.
And Bill made that "joke" about winning a million-dollar lottery.Coincidence? More like a dead giveaway.
The center crumbles.Nothing holds.Follow the money.
The hounds are afoot,my dear Watson.Call for the carriage,we must go to work.First,allow me to prepare my injection...

[bpoe]

You said you didn't say anything about Bill or Dale not being stand-up guys, and then you implied that they weren't. I hope you're not making the suggestion that Bill was somehow obligated to praise Dale's stuff...anyone that knows Bill would think that is ridiculous, myself included.

[0le FUZZY]

It iss important that we know these thangs here onna TELECASTER Discussion Page Re Issue.

I sure hope Paul will leaf this here.

I onlee been pickin on my TELECASTERs over the pass farty years er sew therefore I noe that this has been a prollem.

Any won hoo kin jump in a help this thang along iss aw-rite by me.

I dew noe won thang. Bill, Redd. Terry and a few udders here noe of watt they type.

Iffin they say they werk and they take the time tew rite it down here there iss sunthin tew witt I gar-ron-tee-tolt yew.

Many many folks haff come here with their corrections, additions and products for/tew a TELECASTER and erry won of them has been inner-restin.

Iffin Bill, Redd, Terry and udders are a doin a corn-spear-ra-cee on us I kant think of any won better tew dew witt about tunin a TELECASTER.

I don't noe Dale from Adam but I'm glad he issa doin iss and preciate Bill anna ress a tellin us about it.

Don't noe about noe magic but I dew noe these TELECASTER pickers haff it in their fingers specially ole Redd HEE! HEE!

Good thangs come in small packages and mebby these are an improvement and then again mebby knott but I fer won like haffin choices and haffin folks I truss a headin me inna rite direction.




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[telel6s]

JoeAArthur wrote:
But when there is a post about Dale owing Bill a thanks... and then Dale posts his first post, after registering... TODAY... well, sorry guys, but something else is going on behind the scenes.

When I said that Dale owed Bill a "thank you", I meant it in a very nice and genuine way. I wouldn't know Bill from my Aunt Jean if I met him on the street (if you've seen my Aunt Jean you would know what I mean). But I have no reason to think he started this thread for any other reason than to tell everyone else that he found a cool new product that made his guitar sound and play better. It happens every day on this site. People post about the cool '54 Tele they saw on eBay or what strings play best or that they feel a particular person winds really good pickups.

But as you read the thread, there were more than a few people who mentioned they were going to buy some of the Glendale saddles. Me included.

So after I got my saddles on Monday and put them on my Tele and was really, really happy with them, I wrote Dale an email thanking him for sending me the saddles in only two days and that they sound great. I also wrote that I heard about the saddles on TDPRI from a post by Bill Hullet. I then wrote my earlier post in this thread.

So Dale posted a thank you in this thread. That's mighty nice of him. If somebody told a potential customer of mine about my product and that customer bought it, I'd want to thank that somebody. I just think that's being nice and, not so coincidentally, good business.

Some might call Bill's original post a marketing ploy. I just think he said nice things about a product he liked -- just as people do every day about things ranging from cars to toilet cleaners to fire supression systems to guitars. Anyone who bought the saddles afterward did so of their own free will and could easily research other options (StewMac, Callaham, Vintique, GraphTech, etc.)

I'm going to bed now. Goodnight all!

[Bill Hullett]

First , Thank you Telel6s for posting your recent response ....It will hopefully clear the air that there is not some visious conspiritory plot going on here.....

what I find totally frustrating in a situation like this (and I've been here before on other topics) is that I'm trying to explain the vitues of something I've just stumbled onto and really see a quality above what I would expect and someone (like JoeAArthur in this case) trys to rebuff the virtues of said product even though he has never tried it or seen it for that matter ...ie: its like someone in Kansas not believing someone from Calif. that ocean water is salty!!!!!!.........................Until the guy in Kansas goes and tastes the ocean water for himself , he might benefit from believing the guy from Calif..................

Joe I've done nothing more than trade a couple of emails with Dale telling him how cool I thought his product was ......I wouldn't recognize him if he were standing in line next to me at the Post Office! The same holds true with Brian Poe (who's tele bodies I've bragged about here ....and Alan Hamel (whos pickups I dearly love!!) .....I don't know these people!! I just admire there high quality of work....

Will these products suit everyone????.....I doubt it!
Do these products do what I've said????...Absolutley

Why do you find any of this so offending????

and for the record.......I've never been asked to (nor would I ever) expound the virtues of something I'm not totally blown away by.....

I will make you an offer though Joe...If you had even a slight bit of curiosity concerning these bridges but you just hated to spend your $$$ for fear of not liking them later...Then go ahead and try a set and if you don't like em...I'll buy them back from you cause I've got more Teles and stuff I could use them on!

Bill Hullett



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[Sunburst Island]

Originally Posted by Bill Hullett

and for the record.......I've never been asked to (nor would I ever) expound the virtues of something I'm not totally blown away by.....

Exactly! Awesome post in it's entirety Bill (and a few others in here did as well, you know who you are).

[JoeAArthur]

I can believe claims such as:

o The saddles are made to a higher quality standard than similar products.

o The different material used to make the saddles offer a difference in tone.

o these saddles provide a better tuning compromise than other similar products with some sets of commonly used string gauges.

The only thing I have disputed about these saddles is the claim that they will be in perfect tune with all string sets.

What I think I'm being told is along the lines of "the pacific is all salty water except for this little section of beach just outside San Pedro". Both are against the laws of physics, and I don't have to make a trip to San Pedro to confirm/deny it.

If you believe I have implied anything else related to these saddles and the people using them, then I apologize for not making myself clear.

I also apologize for misinterpreting the post by the vendor in this thread.

[Scotland]

I ordered a set because of what you said, I have previously ordered other things that you told us you liked and each time proved to be something I liked.
If I don't like the saddles then it's no big deal but before I wiould say anything against them I would make sure I qualified my statements by at least trying them.
Thank you for letting us know about them and please continue to let us know any future "gems" you may find. I'm sure you know that the vast majority of people around here respect and trust your judgement.

[guitar_ed]

I ordered my set of saddles today. I play 9's, so we will see how they work out.

Dale said that he has some bridges mostly ready. Not polished or finished. He said it would be a bit, but that he would put them up on his web site, to sell like his saddles.

Guitar Ed

[Bob Rogers]

I'd like to hear from those of you who have used the saddles on the brands and guages of strings you have tried them with. I'm as surprised as Dale was that they work with multiple guages, but the proof is in the strobe reading. Also, if anyone has sets that have not worked when tried (wound third, light-top heavy bottom would be the usual suspects) it would be nice to have a list.

I'm afraid Tele upgrades are at the bottom of the GAS list this summer, but sometime soon Dale is going to get an email about a lefty set or three.

[sanhozay]

What's so freakin great about being in tune, anyway?

The cost of these saddles are pretty much a pizza delivery for my family, so I'll be giving them a test drive real soon.

Part of the fun of owning a Tele is messing with the damn thing.

Besides...if Bill Hullet told me that painting purple and pink butterflies on my Tele would make me sound better then I would.

Again.

[telel6s]

if Bill Hullet told me that painting purple and pink butterflies on my Tele would make me sound better then I would.

Oh, please do it, Bill!!

[sanhozay]

Originally Posted by Bill Hullett

all I can say is THANK YOU DALE! and I hope he sells a million sets!!!!

Hmmmmmm....

$33.99 x 1,000,000.00units = $33,999,000.00

Woweeeeeeeeeee!!!

I just ordered a set {Twang Plus, Baby!} and happily contributed to the Glendale/Hullett Slush Fund.

[scotabilly]

I ordered a "Rockabilly" set the other day (brass, brass, steel) for my rosewood neck Tele. The E and A always sound dead on that guitar. Mostly all of you are opting for the "brass, brass, aluminum." Out of curiosity, how come aluminum, and why not steel?

[OutlawSteph]

I'm going to get a Twang set for my MIM '72 Custom. I appreciate the pros passing along links and recommendation like this! Upgrading that guitar has been an ongoing project.

[bpoe]

Scott, aluminum on the e/a string produces the brightest tone there, and while stainless steel is brighter than brass, its not quite as bright as aluminum. Thats what Dale's site says. I myself have only tried aluminum and brass on the e/a string.

[tdowns]

I just put a twang set on my latest blue Tele. It originally had the StewMac brass compensated saddles. With the old saddles I measured the tuning fretted on the 12th fret with the best balance I could make. I was using a Korg DTR-1 which in Hz mode has a 0.5Hz resolution. Below are the results relative to the 440Hz reference.

StewMac Saddles
E 0.010" dia 440Hz
B 0.013" dia 440.5Hz
G 0.017" dia 440.5Hz
D 0.026" dia 440Hz
A 0.036" dia 440Hz
E 0.046" dia 441.5

I have used 9s and 11s on the StewMac saddles and I believe I remember that the 10s set balanced a little better than the 9s and 11s.

Now, after installing the Twang set I was able to nail all strings to 440Hz reference.

That is really cool, but the performance of the StewMac saddles are really pretty good considering the average person's playing. For instance, if I squeeze really hard on the string, it will sharpen the note even further. Also, just a little bias by the hand on the back of the neck while playing normally will cause an error bigger that 0.5Hz. But for what its worth, it appears for the gauge I use, these saddles have more accurate angles resulting in more accuracy.

I didn't mention it before, but the nut makes a major difference in intonation when playing near the nut. If the nut is cut too high, all the precision saddles in the world won't help your tuning. I know that is generally obvious, but I thought I would mention it.

After an assessment, I believe I like the angled height screws the better than anything. They miss the bridge mounting screws and land ON the plate. I'm not sure how important that is in the overall scheme of things, but it is something that always bothered me. Especially if it is part of the way on the mounting screw. I'm always concerned that it may slip off.

I need a good gig/amp to give my opinion on the aluminum E/A saddle.

[lex765]

I think I'm probably about as average a member on here as there is, I'm not a great player, nor am I an expert technician/repairman. I totally appreciate it when a better player points me in a direction thats improves my playing, or when I get a good tip on setups or mods for my tele.
I mean whats the function of this forum if we can't share good tips with each other. I relalize that it can sometimes almost sound like a commercial for some product, but the moderator is pretty sharp about telling the difference of whether someone is excited about sharing a new found product with his fellow telephiles or making a sales pitch.
I'd hate to think where my playing would be without this site and the knowledge and good natured sharing of its members.

[JohnnyAtomic]

Originally Posted by tdowns

I just put a twang set on my latest blue Tele. It originally had the StewMac brass compensated saddles. With the old saddles I measured the tuning fretted on the 12th fret with the best balance I could make. I was using a Korg DTR-1 which in Hz mode has a 0.5Hz resolution. Below are the results relative to the 440Hz reference.

StewMac Saddles
E 0.010" dia 440Hz
B 0.013" dia 440.5Hz
G 0.017" dia 440.5Hz
D 0.026" dia 440Hz
A 0.036" dia 440Hz
E 0.046" dia 441.5

I have used 9s and 11s on the StewMac saddles and I believe I remember that the 10s set balanced a little better than the 9s and 11s.

Now, after installing the Twang set I was able to nail all strings to 440Hz reference.

That is really cool, but the performance of the StewMac saddles are really pretty good considering the average person's playing. For instance, if