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Old April 9th, 2012, 03:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Are AMERICAN MADE MIA Telecasters Really Better than Mexican or Japanese Telecasters?

I read a discussion about Mexican Made Telecasters.

I just purchased a 2008 MIM Fender Deluxe Fat Strat HSS on EBay.
It has 3 Seymour Duncans: JB Humbucker, Classic Strat & Vintage Hot Stack
Seller shipped the original pickups as well
2008 original black beauty color, mint with zero flaws anywhere
Bridge: Vintage Style Synchronized Tremolo
Tremolo: American Deluxe tremolo
Tuners: Fender/Ping Vintage Style Tuning Machines
Hardware: Chrome * Finish: Polyurethane * SKB Full Hard Shell Case

The whole guitar, parts, HSCase & shipping was only $515.
And remember, this is the Deluxe version with at least $200 worth of
Seymour Duncan pickups added & shipped w/originals pickups as well.
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Just sayin' that Fender has a major reputation to uphold. Therefore,
Fender's Japan & Mexican guitars and amps are very high quality.
Otherwise, rumours would spread and sales would fall.
Maybe years ago during the CBS era, things were different, but NOT TODAY!


Anybody really believe that a 2012 American made Telecaster "BASIC"
is really better than a 2012 Mexican made Telecaster "BASIC"???

I will bet they are "BASICALLY" the same Telecaster guitars.
Just that the American made Telecaster has certain add-on goodies
and the Mexican made Telecasters has certain market "niches" that
keep the two Telecasters from competing directly against each other.
They each have a different marketing channel.

I will bet that the American made Telecasters that cost twice as much,
are Fender's Biggest Profit Telecaster guitar. I will bet that there is
less profit margin in the Mexican Telecasters & the Japanese Telecasters.

Therefore, rumours are spread that "Amerian Made MIA" is sooooooooo
much better than the Mexican Made MIM or the Japanese Made MIJ guitars.
The "GOSSIP RUMOURS" are from American Telecaster owners trying to make
sure their "OVER-PRICED" investment sustains a higher collector and resale
value over the "Foreign Made" Telecasters.

Fender "LOVES" the Gossip/Rumours because they drive customers to their higher priced "AMERICAN MADE TELECASTERS"!!!

The hype is all about pushing sales to the American models so that Fender
makes TONS MORE PROFIT than on the lower priced MIM or MIJ guitars.

What do you think?
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Old April 9th, 2012, 03:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I know I may sound rude, but either you're a troll or you must be a very sporadic browser here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though ...

There have been lots of threads on this topic, and many of them end up being closed. It's a can of worms - something you'd have found out if you did a search ... Sorry, but this topic has been discussed ad nauseum ...

I am actually a nice guy though, trying to give you a good advice.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 04:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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sounds so cliche! but be serious, I think some are better and some are not better at all.
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I know I may sound rude, but either you're a troll or you must be a very sporadic browser here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though ... There have been lots of threads on this topic, and many of them end up being closed. It's a can of worms - something you'd have found out if you did a search ... Sorry, but this topic has been discussed ad nauseum ...I am actually a nice guy though, trying to give you a good advice.

It does sound rude, especially from two 10,000 TDPRI posters.
Go away and find something else to do.

I am sure most Telecaster ideas/discussions have been asked in some sort of way during the past.

Your opinion is pretty sad. Why not just keep it to yourself and read another thread.

Why ruin it for others who do not spend all day and night thumbing through
past threads and then premeditate a statement admitting you are rude,
I am a troll and that you are really a nice guy?

It is important to me to post it.

All previous posts of similar ideas handled a similar question within that older
thread's own particular way or flow and with those particular participant's thoughts.

Disagree, but don't contribute by calling me names or paint a broad brush towards
anyone who does want to participate a "troll"? Why bully others? Move on. Thank you.

***I am definitely reporting this name calling incident to the TDPRI Forum Leaders.
Breaking rules and ruining threads is not called for.
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Your opinion is pretty sad. Why not just keep it to yourself and read another thread.
It wasn't meant as an opinion, rather a good advice based on long time experience.

But it's your choice to interpret it as you like.
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What's good?? Sound??

Give an American made Tele to a beginner and it will sound ****ty.
Give a Mexican made Tele to a pro and it will sound heavenly!!
It's the Indian!!! Not the arrow!!!
Pick-ups, playing style all is different and non-comparable.

What's good?? Build quality??

Ok maybe, just maybe the Americans have a bit more bling, fame, and glitter on it but that's taste.
They sound completely different.
But they are more expensive and you have much more goodies when you buy one.
Some say that the American guitars are 'broken in'... The neck is beveled so it's comfortable to play (I don't notice that to be honest).

You cannot, anno 2012, judge a guitar on it's birthplace anymore!!
The factories in Mexico aren't as ****ty as they used to be imho!
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Old April 9th, 2012, 05:30 AM   #9 (permalink)
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if i wanted a Fender I'd buy a Japanese one.I can't buy a mexican one when for the same amount of cash I'm into custom/home build territory $$$ wise.


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you do realise that your big dummy spit statement & irrelevant "counterpoint" about post counts ruined it more don't you?
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either you're a troll or you must be a very sporadic browser here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though ...
I won't.
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This is a "DUD THREAD", "RUINED" from the "GET-GO".
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It does sound rude, especially from two 10,000 TDPRI posters.
Go away and find something else to do.

I am sure most Telecaster ideas/discussions have been asked in some sort of way during the past.

Your opinion is pretty sad. Why not just keep it to yourself and read another thread.

Why ruin it for others who do not spend all day and night thumbing through
past threads and then premeditate a statement admitting you are rude,
I am a troll and that you are really a nice guy?

It is important to me to post it.

All previous posts of similar ideas handled a similar question within that older
thread's own particular way or flow and with those particular participant's thoughts.

Disagree, but don't contribute by calling me names or paint a broad brush towards
anyone who does want to participate a "troll"? Why bully others? Move on. Thank you.

***I am definitely reporting this name calling incident to the TDPRI Forum Leaders.
Breaking rules and ruining threads is not called for.
Hey man, thats just some friendly advice they were giving. theres a thread like this every, i dunno week? fortnight? it goes in a list along with Nitro vs poly, US vs Chinese, Squier vs Fender etc etc etc. use the search function and there are probably hundreds of threads with an identical name. its not bullying to call someone a troll. Troll = someone who on internet forums posts to provoke a reaction.

be a little more thick skinned on the internet
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Hey man, thats just some friendly advice they were giving. theres a thread like this every, i dunno week? fortnight? it goes in a list along with Nitro vs poly, US vs Chinese, Squier vs Fender etc etc etc. use the search function and there are probably hundreds of threads with an identical name. its not bullying to call someone a troll. Troll = someone who on internet forums posts to provoke a reaction.

be a little more thick skinned on the internet
Yeah! I can't agree more.

"If you are TOO serious, you lose!"

PS: However if you are not serious, you don't even have the qualification of losing. that is a question...LOL!
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It wasn't meant as an opinion, rather a good advice based on long time experience.

But it's your choice to interpret it as you like.
+1 Good advice Tele. To the OP - USE YOUR SEARCH BUTTON!!
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The real point of this thread...

Wait - buy a MIA cause I got me one.

Now back to the interesting part of this thread, the issue of asking a question that has in some way been asked and answered a million times before. Anyone who doesn't want to help the OP should leave the Internet now - go on - you're gone? Good, glad they left, because he is right (in his second post) why should he have to read a million posts, none of which he has been involved with, or had the chance to asked his specifically nuanced questions?

Also, OP, don't take it personally, contrary to the popular tag line that people spin around here - welcoming forum, great place for advice, blah blah (by the way, self praise is no recommendation) it's a bit of a shark tank.

Again, buy a MIA - they have mad twang.
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I know I may sound rude, but either you're a troll or you must be a very sporadic browser here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though ...

There have been lots of threads on this topic, and many of them end up being closed. It's a can of worms - something you'd have found out if you did a search ... Sorry, but this topic has been discussed ad nauseum ...

I am actually a nice guy though, trying to give you a good advice.
+1. Not rude, just good advice.

To the OP, really difficult to define "better", as it varies depending on individual tastes.

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I will bet that the American made Telecasters that cost twice as much, are Fender's Biggest Profit Telecaster guitar.
Maybe. I wonder. What about the MICs? I have no idea which is the most profitable, but it would be interesting to know.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 07:20 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Hey man, thats just some friendly advice they were giving. theres a thread like this every, i dunno week? fortnight? it goes in a list along with Nitro vs poly, US vs Chinese, Squier vs Fender etc etc etc. use the search function and there are probably hundreds of threads with an identical name. its not bullying to call someone a troll. Troll = someone who on internet forums posts to provoke a reaction. be a little more thick skinned on the internet
Not too friendly. Better to go elsewhere and find thread "they" like.
Hey, you can compare anything: paint, strings, tuners, HS vs SS,
old Telecasters vs new Telecasters, your opinion vs another opinion.
Is not posting threads what this forum about? To please those who might be negative?
There must be 500 active threads in 20(+) categories to read and comment on.

Looks like some posters are trolling for trouble. Using bullying tactics to get their
own way and to make the TDPRI threads comfortable towards their own opinions.
They act as if everyone agrees with their opinion and that they know it all.
That the 100s of new members automatically seek and search for
topic questions and past opinions just to avoid negative slamming and
name calling by those TDPRI'ers with 10,000 posts.

What do you have to do to get 10,000 posts? Ten a day forever?

Let us newer members enjoy our journey and let us get out of a thread
what we desire, not some old "similar" post you might have enjoyed.

Maybe new info may come up, new ideas to consider?
Obviously the “older posts the 10,000 posters” love have not done the job.

Maybe my angle is not the same as what you perceive?
Lot of possibilities are real rather than narrow minded negative opinions.
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What's good?? Sound?? Give an American made Tele to a beginner and it will sound ****ty. Give a Mexican made Tele to a pro and it will sound heavenly!! It's the Indian!!! Not the arrow!!! Pick-ups, playing style all is different and non-comparable. What's good?? Build quality?? Ok maybe, just maybe the Americans have a bit more bling, fame, and glitter on it but that's taste. They sound completely different. But they are more expensive and you have much more goodies when you buy one. Some say that the American guitars are 'broken in'... The neck is beveled so it's comfortable to play (I don't notice that to be honest). You cannot, anno 2012, judge a guitar on it's birthplace anymore!! The factories in Mexico aren't as ****ty as they used to be imho!
Yes. I agree. Take the Mexican made Telecaster's wood, body & neck
and the American made Telecaster's wood, body and neck,
add the same hardware to each,
do they sound the same?

Or, are all Telecasters the same, and it is the components
added onto the same body, neck & wood that make the difference?

If so, then would you think that buying MIM Mexican necks
and MIM Mexican Telecaster bodies be the quality desired
to use when making a Telecaster from parts and purchased components?

Why buy Warmoth or other suppliers, when MIM Mexican is equal
to the best at a much lower cost? If that is the case.
Has anyone worked at building a Telecaster from Mexican MIM parts?
and possibly with parts from Mexican and American?
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The real point of this thread... Wait - buy a MIA cause I got me one. Now back to the interesting part of this thread, the issue of asking a question that has in some way been asked and answered a million times before. Anyone who doesn't want to help the OP should leave the Internet now - go on - you're gone? Good, glad they left, because he is right (in his second post) why should he have to read a million posts, none of which he has been involved with, or had the chance to asked his specifically nuanced questions? Also, OP, don't take it personally, contrary to the popular tag line that people spin around here - welcoming forum, great place for advice, blah blah (by the way, self praise is no recommendation) it's a bit of a shark tank. Again, buy a MIA - they have mad twang.
Good points. New members are joining all the time.
Older "similar" threads may go different directions and/or
not cover what is important to this OP.

The bigger issue is rudeness and other opinionated posters
making an effort to squash someone else's thread.

And, for me, what I was interested in or not interested in last year
may have changed since last year. And, obviously, Mexican and
Japanese guitars are seemingly improving. So, my questions is
are they "there" with the "American Made" Telecaster bodies & necks.
And, if so, let's spread the word. And, if not, let's spread the word.

By the way, any forum can be a "shark tank" if those whom the "sharks"
tread on, do not stand up to their bullying tactics towards getting their way.
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