What do 'Master Builders' actually do?

[twangster2]

Originally Posted by Durtdog

Um, here's a clue...most all products are distributed and sold this way. Fender did not invent this process.

Really?

I never knew.. thanks.. hahaha

[Durtdog]

Originally Posted by twangster2

Really?

I never knew.. thanks.. hahaha

Now you know.

You're welcome.

[nvilletele]

Originally Posted by twangster2

Ha..

So everyone is getting ripped off...

Yes Fender has list price and MAP. Slippery slop of deception to set price.. " huh? We didn't set the price we just said you can't advertise it for less..."

I want to find the sucker paying list..

With all due respect, I think you are a bit out of line here. Businesses can charge what they want for their products. People can choose to buy or not buy the products, and the price is one of the factors they take into account when making their decisions. The price to value ratio is also important - - most people understand that a better, or higher value, object costs more than a lower value one.

So some Fender products are expensive . . . big deal. Same thing everywhere. Nothing really to see here folks, move along . . . move along.

They have their very high end products for the people that can afford it and want something they perceive of as "quality" or high value and they are willing to pay a premium for it. Supply and demand determines the price.

Some folks only have a few bucks, or dont care about perceived "quality" or whatever, so they buy a squier or MIM tele or whatever.

Why should Fender have to apologize for being a business, and having some expensive models, particularly as they offer products at a wide range of price points?

[Fuptele]

Originally Posted by Ron Garson

Why isn't Richard Thompson in the photo?

Somehow the Vincent photo didn't appear.

[twangster2]

Originally Posted by nvilletele

With all due respect, I think you are a bit out of line here. Businesses can charge what they want for their products. People can choose to buy or not buy the products, and the price is one of the factors they take into account when making their decisions. The price to value ratio is also important - - most people understand that a better, or higher value, object costs more than a lower value one.

So some Fender products are expensive . . . big deal. Same thing everywhere. Nothing really to see here folks, move along . . . move along.

They have their very high end products for the people that can afford it and want something they perceive of as "quality" or high value and they are willing to pay a premium for it. Supply and demand determines the price.

Some folks only have a few bucks, or dont care about perceived "quality" or whatever, so they buy a squier or MIM tele or whatever.

Why should Fender have to apologize for being a business, and having some expensive models, particularly as they offer products at a wide range of price points?

I am 100% pro capitalist. They can charge whatever they want.

But to claim they don't set prices for there product is a bold face lie.

[Ronkirn]

So, if somebody orders that...which they did, and do, we should tell them no?

that's it in a nutshell... what the MB shop does, what I do, is build custom guitars... sorry, but it's just not "custom" if any builder says no... won't do that...

No one should really give a hoot what someone else orders... the only real thing that matters is how they sound, as they play it... The only time I suggest an alternative to what you want, is if… something ordered is just plain crazy… but, even then… I only make the recommendation… you still get to choose… I betcha Mike’s gang works the same way…

See… it’s not YOUR guitar…. It’s someone else’s “bubble” on their NGD…. Don’t burst it like some inconsiderate goober…And this is why I have been so critical of those that will “diss” someone else’s choices. And why, I’m ashamed to say, I have probably been responsible for some wondering about their CS creations.

Most of us “old timers” don’t give a ratzazz about what you think of our choices, but there are a lot of “less calloused” guitarists, that sweat, and worry about details and minutiae for months before “pulling the trigger. Then proudly hop into the “frey” here in the forum, posting photos, or queries to elicit opinions… only to have some dingleberry verbally pee all over their dream… not cool… not even a little bit…

It just doesn’t matter if ya want a “plain Jane” reliced “blackguard” or some hyper esoteric masterfully inlayed Strat…. It’s your guitar… get what ya want and play it like it was the last time God was ever gonna let ya touch a guitar… you don’t owe any of us any explination.

rk

[PeterVV]

See Rons last post says it all.....there, can I have a free guitar niw Ron?

[teleconvertMij]

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

that's it in a nutshell... what the MB shop does, what I do, is build custom guitars... sorry, but it's just not "custom" if any builder says no... won't do that...

No one should really give a hoot what someone else orders... the only real thing that matters is how they sound, as they play it... The only time I suggest an alternative to what you want, is if… something ordered is just plain crazy… but, even then… I only make the recommendation… you still get to choose… I betcha Mike’s gang works the same way…

See… it’s not YOUR guitar…. It’s someone else’s “bubble” on their NGD…. Don’t burst it like some inconsiderate goober…And this is why I have been so critical of those that will “diss” someone else’s choices. And why, I’m ashamed to say, I have probably been responsible for some wondering about their CS creations.

Most of us “old timers” don’t give a ratzazz about what you think of our choices, but there are a lot of “less calloused” guitarists, that sweat, and worry about details and minutiae for months before “pulling the trigger. Then proudly hop into the “frey” here in the forum, posting photos, or queries to elicit opinions… only to have some dingleberry verbally pee all over their dream… not cool… not even a little bit…

It just doesn’t matter if ya want a “plain Jane” reliced “blackguard” or some hyper esoteric masterfully inlayed Strat…. It’s your guitar… get what ya want and play it like it was the last time God was ever gonna let ya touch a guitar… you don’t owe any of us any explination.

rk

+1
Correct to a T :-)

Why can't we agree that to some extent we are all enthusiasts and have slightly divergent opinions? Each to their own and a bit of respect for that.

By the way Ron, how is mine coming along ? :-D

[Spider]

I love reading Ron's replies. Always. Even when I may not agree 100% they always make sense 100% of the time.

Semper Fi!

[telemania]

This thread has been flogged to death..but I will weigh in. Mike - my parents live in Corona. Ron - i lived in Jax and lost a boat load in real estate there. Ron - you are Boise State - the hot team no one wants to play. Mike - you are whatever big league team you want to be because I don't want to start a different argument. Frankly, I'd like to do pizza and beers with both of you at Tom's Place!

[Tonemonkey]

Originally Posted by telemania

This thread has been flogged to death..but I will weigh in. Mike - my parents live in Corona. Ron - i lived in Jax and lost a boat load in real estate there. Ron - you are Boise State - the hot team no one wants to play. Mike - you are whatever big league team you want to be because I don't want to start a different argument. Frankly, I'd like to do pizza and beers with both of you at Tom's Place!

Would that Pizza be cooked in an oven, or would it be a real genuine one, handmade from scratch?

[teleconvertMij]

Originally Posted by Tonemonkey

Would that Pizza be cooked in an oven, or would it be a real genuine one, handmade from scratch?

Okay, almost spat coffe on my iPad :-D

[cfox]

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

that's it in a nutshell... what the MB shop does, what I do, is build custom guitars... sorry, but it's just not "custom" if any builder says no... won't do that...

No one should really give a hoot what someone else orders... the only real thing that matters is how they sound, as they play it... The only time I suggest an alternative to what you want, is if… something ordered is just plain crazy… but, even then… I only make the recommendation… you still get to choose… I betcha Mike’s gang works the same way…

See… it’s not YOUR guitar…. It’s someone else’s “bubble” on their NGD…. Don’t burst it like some inconsiderate goober…And this is why I have been so critical of those that will “diss” someone else’s choices. And why, I’m ashamed to say, I have probably been responsible for some wondering about their CS creations.

Most of us “old timers” don’t give a ratzazz about what you think of our choices, but there are a lot of “less calloused” guitarists, that sweat, and worry about details and minutiae for months before “pulling the trigger. Then proudly hop into the “frey” here in the forum, posting photos, or queries to elicit opinions… only to have some dingleberry verbally pee all over their dream… not cool… not even a little bit…

It just doesn’t matter if ya want a “plain Jane” reliced “blackguard” or some hyper esoteric masterfully inlayed Strat…. It’s your guitar… get what ya want and play it like it was the last time God was ever gonna let ya touch a guitar… you don’t owe any of us any explination.

rk

rk
I heard Fender is looking for another "masterbuilder"...

[Shepherd]

Originally Posted by Durtdog

It's funny though, y'all don't complain about the small builders on the board, just Fender. Everyone seems to worship at the feet of the small builder, and even embrace the fake Fenders that are on here every day.

But when Fender (by the way, the maker of the real TELECASTER guitar we all claim to love) shows up, everyone wants to take down "the man."

Funny bunch you.

What's funny is when people make knocks on Fender and then build copies of their product. Dont understand that.

[Mike Eldred]

Originally Posted by twangster2

I am 100% pro capitalist. They can charge whatever they want.

But to claim they don't set prices for there product is a bold face lie.

I don't know if that is directed to me or the other poster, but just to clarify, Fender can't set the selling price. That would be illegal.

ME

[cfox]

An american standard sells everywhere for $999 for solid colors, are you saying the market determines that price?

[Le Jab]

.... and that is a very good point Shepherd. Boutique builders could design and build variations in body shape, use different pick up configs, but they choose not to. They call them 'Tele-style.' Ragging on a company who owns the intellectual property and design rights for the bulk of your output, places you on thin legal ice. With one call to a suit, FMIC could put these guys out of business. If I were a small builder of Fender copies I would go about my business in dignified silence, rather than stoke up potential animosity.

[Good Iron]

I like guitars that play well and sound great.

fun thread - mostly

[Stratburst]

Originally Posted by cfox

I don't know if I would put mastebuilt on this:



and then $6500...makes me laugh

If it plays awesome and sings like an angel, hell yeah.

Fender's making some great guitars these days, but then again so is Godin, Kirn, Logan, Suhr, Grosh, etc. Don't know if I'll ever have the $$$ for a CS Fender but I certainly would love to get one (perhaps a matching guitar & bass for myself and the wife?) one day. Then again, perhaps I'd go with Kirn or Logan. I'm Canadian and we have a habit of rooting for the underdog . . .

[mvanslooten]

Originally Posted by Tonemonkey

Would that Pizza be cooked in an oven, or would it be a real genuine one, handmade from scratch?

You make a good point: is a pizza better when it's made by one chef or when its onions and tomatoes have been chopped by another?