Fat after market neck on ClassicVibe50 or Baja?

[tap4154]

Yes, they are discontinued, but you can find them on ebay, and sometimes real cheap on CL. Standard Tele neck on a Strat-style body. Originally MSRP $250 but were being blown out a few years ago and I got SB for $99, and a black one for $69 that I still have (still stock, and a great player).



Wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier_'51

[sledge57]

I have a TMNF-Fat Allparts Tele neck on a Strat (Warmoth body) and if you like em fat, that buggers FAT. Don't know about price though it was on a different guitar I traded for.

Love this neck...

[bmorrow]

You know... I didn’t even think of the other way around. I could just go and buy the BAJA - and then buy an after market Pine body to add to the Baja. That way I don’t have to mess with the neck, I’m just swapping out the body for a pine-body. I’m not sure if that would be easier or not.

[plroad21]

Originally Posted by bmorrow

Yeah... Your at-least the second person who’s mentioned that to me. I was hoping I was going to be able pass all the hard work over to someone else in trade for my money. I guess it’s not going to be that easy.

There are some people on eBay that will let you choose your allparts or muskraft neck and they'll tint and nitro finish it for you.

[robt57]

Originally Posted by bmorrow

You know... I didn’t even think of the other way around. I could just go and buy the BAJA - and then buy an after market Pine body to add to the Baja. That way I don’t have to mess with the neck, I’m just swapping out the body for a pine-body. I’m not sure if that would be easier or not.

Just get a light Baja and play it? Or are you fixed on pine. My Pine CV 50s body with a Warmoth Fat [Stainless frets] sounds like it might be up your alley.

This CV50 body is 5.8 lbs, just to mention it.

[bmorrow]

Originally Posted by robt57

Just get a light Baja and play it? Or are you fixed on pine. My Pine CV 50s body with a Warmoth Fat [Stainless frets] sounds like it might be up your alley.

This CV50 body is 5.8 lbs, just to mention it.

So putting a different neck on the CV50 worked out for you a well?... No issues? Is it everything you were hoping it would be - or did you loose some qualities along the way.

What do you think?

Do you think I’d be better off buying a “Classic Vive 50’s” & adding a FAT high quality after market neck? - OR instead buy the Baja & add an after market pine body to it?

[robt57]

What I think as far as what you'd be better off doing is moot, and subjective of course.

What I wound up is this. I got the neck on a Warmoth sale and wanted to try stainless frets and a fat neck. It was winter and I could not finish one of my bodies in nitro, so I grabbed the CV50 body and some parts for $50.00 off Craigslist just to have something to try this neck on. I did poly on the neck in my basement and threw together the Pine CV caster with some MIJ Paisley RI pickups and got a great surprise. I am already a pine Tele nut having made 10 so far, including a Thinline. I was surprise how good the CV body and this build sounds although I was a bit discouraged at the 5.8 body. but that was almost 2 years ago and I left it together cause it jsut is a good Tele. Among 8 altogether I have.

So I'd say a Baja will hold stable value where as the parts caster would not.

So if you keep your Baja body and pt is back as a Baja when and if you need to sell it and just keep your pine body for the neck one that make some sense. Should you go that route.

Baja are always heavy, the one I considered anyway. And this CV even with the 5.8 body is under 8 lb., the lightest Baja I founds was 9 lb. and I drew the line lower than that weight. Just a preference personally, not saying a heavy Tele is not as good as a lighter one. I just prefer light ones and have a few 6 lb Pine Teles I made yadi yada..


I offer you all this gibberish for data points, use the info or don't, no harm no foul etc...

[robt57]

I guess a pic is order after all that text, it is the way of the TDPRI after all.

[Mark Davis]

Here is what your looking at.

Used CV50's $200-250 $350 new

Used Baja $550-650 $800 new

Buy a used CV50's for $250 sell its neck and tuners for $150 thats what they sell for on Ebay and you jace $100 invested in the CV50's

Or you could buy a new CV50's Body for $150 and add to it.

As Rob mentioned they are not light and most of them are in the 8lb range for a complete guitar. MIne is 7 lbs 13oz. some of the newer BSB ones are lighter.

if you buy a Baja and keep everything but the body all its parts would make a nice Tele on a pine body.

[TNO]

I'm a big fan of CVs with Allparts Fat necks. I do take the time to flatten the shoulders of the neck profile, level the frets, shoot a one-day shellac finish and they're good to go.

[bmorrow]

Originally Posted by robt57

What I think as far as what you'd be better off doing is moot, and subjective of course.

What I wound up is this. I got the neck on a Warmoth sale and wanted to try stainless frets and a fat neck. It was winter and I could not finish one of my bodies in nitro, so I grabbed the CV50 body and some parts for $50.00 off Craigslist just to have something to try this neck on. I did poly on the neck in my basement and threw together the Pine CV caster with some MIJ Paisley RI pickups and got a great surprise. I am already a pine Tele nut having made 10 so far, including a Thinline. I was surprise how good the CV body and this build sounds although I was a bit discouraged at the 5.8 body. but that was almost 2 years ago and I left it together cause it jsut is a good Tele. Among 8 altogether I have.

So I'd say a Baja will hold stable value where as the parts caster would not.

So if you keep your Baja body and pt is back as a Baja when and if you need to sell it and just keep your pine body for the neck one that make some sense. Should you go that route.

Baja are always heavy, the one I considered anyway. And this CV even with the 5.8 body is under 8 lb., the lightest Baja I founds was 9 lb. and I drew the line lower than that weight. Just a preference personally, not saying a heavy Tele is not as good as a lighter one. I just prefer light ones and have a few 6 lb Pine Teles I made yadi yada..


I offer you all this gibberish for data points, use the info or don't, no harm no foul etc...

I must say, it’s inspiring to hear that I’m not alone with my thoughts on these particular guitars, specially the CV50. I’m glad to hear other folks some where along he way decided it was a good idea to build from the CV50.

It’s really something that you ended up building over 8 of these things already.

I’ve heard allot of great things about those “Warmoth” necks as well. Is it true that “Warmoth” necks are more revered then most of the other after market necks available? I was looking into them as an option.

[SolidbdyJazzfan]

Originally Posted by robt57

Or just eBay a Baja Neck, 314.00 on sale from reliablefender

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-Class...item2eb87b8c9b

I'll second that post. I've bought three necks from reliablefender, and all three were great.

[6ixstring]

Originally Posted by robt57

I guess a pic is order after all that text, it is the way of the TDPRI after all.

Little off subject, I'm diggin the knobs and switch on that tele. I was also wondering if that pickguard is parchment color or the regular white. It looks good

[bmorrow]

Originally Posted by Mark Davis

Here is what your looking at.

Used CV50's $200-250 $350 new

Used Baja $550-650 $800 new

Buy a used CV50's for $250 sell its neck and tuners for $150 thats what they sell for on Ebay and you jace $100 invested in the CV50's

Or you could buy a new CV50's Body for $150 and add to it.

As Rob mentioned they are not light and most of them are in the 8lb range for a complete guitar. MIne is 7 lbs 13oz. some of the newer BSB ones are lighter.

if you buy a Baja and keep everything but the body all its parts would make a nice Tele on a pine body.

Thanks for breaking it down for me. That's how I need to be thinking actually. I love this kind of stuff.

[bmorrow]

Originally Posted by robt57

Just get a light Baja and play it? Or are you fixed on pine. My Pine CV 50s body with a Warmoth Fat [Stainless frets] sounds like it might be up your alley.

This CV50 body is 5.8 lbs, just to mention it.

Yeah... The CV50 pine body with a thicker neck is what I’d ultimately rather do. I’m after the PINE body, as well as a VERY THICK vintage type neck. The CV50 just so happens to come with pickups & such that I really dig as well. The electronics ended up being kind of like just an extra incentive to buy it.

[telex76]

Originally Posted by bmorrow

Do you mean that the AllPart necks aren’t leveled already? With your experience, "is there always work to be further done”?

Any neck you get from anyone is going to need further work. Some alot, some very little.

[robt57]

Originally Posted by bmorrow

It’s really something that you ended up building over 8 of these things already. .

Let me be clear, all my pine Teles are made form 50 year old wood. This one pictured is the only CV. All the others are 1-9/16" thick [a few a liitle less] except the Thinline which is Standard thickness after the Drop top was glued on. I have built more, just kept the mentioned 8. I am up to 16 so far and I have 6 bodies and 8 necks in build limbo with no shop since I moved. ;)

As far as any neck needing attention on the frets, the Stainless Fat Warmoth surprised me in that it needed nothing fret wise. The unfinished AllParts necks I have bought [I am a AP dealer] ALL needed fret attention, ALL.

The CV body and the Fat neck is a total 9+ in the tone dept. Which is why I never lost the CV body in favor of one of mine... yet. ;)

[robt57]

Originally Posted by 6ixstring

Little off subject, I'm diggin the knobs and switch on that tele. I was also wondering if that pickguard is parchment color or the regular white. It looks good

White, but the off white semi transparent body finish does a coo contrast to my eye also. The knows are RI Fender Amp knobs, the COntrol plate is Plexi with aluminum foil behind to emulate metal look, has one Volume, a Vari-tone and a Gibson Toggle. No tone circuit other than the Vari-tone.

Also has Ti saddles, I just tried to put on all lighter stuff being the body was so heavy. The neck is very light, I did not expect that but only God can make a tree, right? But Metal knobs and control plates are pretty heavy really. It is 7.8 lb finished. totally reasonable. Pickups are RI Paisley MIJ, and among my favorite pickups out of a myriad I ave used including bou-ti-quie stuff. Simple is better sometime I guess...


It is as good a guitar as any I have ever player or had. Shows you do not need to spend spend spend to get a tool as good as any.

[robt57]

I am going to add a personal opinion / observation regarding Pine body. Not to start a war about how this is conjecture. Just one budding builders observation andvery subjective concept of what I think I hear. Disclaimer. ;)

I know MOST folks say the wood species means little, and the particular piece of wood is more significant. I agree with this...

I find [in my perception, in my minds ear, as it where] that pine has a pop and honk to the Teles I have made with it. Now all the ones I have made are form the same stash of 45 year old pine, so maybe there is that as a similarity in that wood. But even the CV body seems to.

Now let me say the Al or Ti saddle I always use could have as must to do about it as anything, but I have brass on a few of the pine I made outta this stash which IMO also have what I verbalize as Honk and Pop. YMMV of course.


All my fav sounding single coil PUPed guitars are pine at this point. Why, I think I know and there you go...

[bmorrow]

Originally Posted by robt57

Let me be clear, all my pine Teles are made form 50 year old wood. This one pictured is the only CV. All the others are 1-9/16" thick [a few a liitle less] except the Thinline which is Standard thickness after the Drop top was glued on. I have built more, just kept the mentioned 8. I am up to 16 so far and I have 6 bodies and 8 necks in build limbo with no shop since I moved. ;)

As far as any neck needing attention on the frets, the Stainless Fat Warmoth surprised me in that it needed nothing fret wise. The unfinished AllParts necks I have bought [I am a AP dealer] ALL needed fret attention, ALL.

The CV body and the Fat neck is a total 9+ in the tone dept. Which is why I never lost the CV body in favor of one of mine... yet. ;)

I’m just not sure if I’m going to be able to finish the neck by myself. I’m not sure if I’m taking on something I’m going to regret. How much knowledge & labor does it take to make the frets right from something like an AllParts neck? Do you know where I can find a quick run about on how to do this? Maybe somewhere online? Do you know anyone who would finish the neck & level the frets for me for a reasonable price?