Burlison Tele on Ebay??!!

Cam · November 14th, 2004, 12:57 PM

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...761035342&rd=1

Walter Broes · November 14th, 2004, 01:08 PM

I have no idea about the authenticity of the guitar, but this : "He wrote the song "Train keep a Rollin" done by Aerosmith" in the auction description is a little over-enthousiastic - as far as I know, Burlison supposedly played guitar on Johnny and Dorsey Burnette's cover of Tiny Bradshaw's "Train kept-a rollin".

Tele295 · November 14th, 2004, 01:15 PM

Walter - did you like the "we grandkids" remark? Is that supposed to be our seal of authenticity?

Walter Broes · November 14th, 2004, 01:24 PM

Interesting little dot under that serial number on the bridgeplate too huh?

openbar · November 14th, 2004, 01:25 PM

I always thought Paul played an Esquire on the early Johnny Burnette stuff. (please, let's not get into who played what, Grady Martin, etc.)

Walter Broes · November 14th, 2004, 01:27 PM

Wasn't that esquire run over by a car btw?

openbar · November 14th, 2004, 01:32 PM

Oh, I don't know about the car accident, but all those early album and promo shots clearly show a whiteguard Esquire.

TomK · November 14th, 2004, 02:26 PM

Pic of neck pup shows plastic insulation on the leads instead of cloth---and the surgical tubing spacer in the pic looks pretty new...

lenny · November 14th, 2004, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter Broes

Interesting little dot under that serial number on the bridgeplate too huh?

i noticed that too, but he mentions it in the description.
/shrug, who knows

jhundt · November 14th, 2004, 02:41 PM

Are you guys saying "he is a liar, this guitar is a fake!" or aren't you?

Paul in Colorado · November 14th, 2004, 06:37 PM

When I saw Paul in Richmond, VA in the late '80's, he was playing a Thinline.

Joel Terry · November 14th, 2004, 09:02 PM

Plus, it's a pretty bad fake, to boot--one of those counterfeit waterslide decals that still shows up on eBay from time to time. They never get the first "e" in Fender right.

Overall, the pedigree/authenticity of this guitar smells pretty fishy to me.

Joel

JohnnyAtomic · November 15th, 2004, 07:56 AM

I knew Paul, and i don't know this guitar. but, i never saw all his guitars. he did have at least one old tele, the second one that he ever got. the first got backed over by a car, this second one is the one stevie ray borrowed for "the house is a rockin". this second one was an esquire i believe and had a neck PU added. but paul never told me about it having it refin'ed or having all those changes. but he did say he had a refinished 52. i never understood if he was talking about the same guitar or not.

paul had a BAD divorce in his last couple of years of life, which included his Ex running off with several of his guitars. he told me that she thought she had taken his 52, but he had the real one and she had taken a "reissue". his wife called me about a year or so after his death wanting to sell me the 52, and she believes she took the real one.

so what i'd like to know is this his blood grandson, or his step grandson. that would make a BIG difference to me in determining if it's a real 52.

Montana_Dawg · November 15th, 2004, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joel Terry

Plus, it's a pretty bad fake, to boot--one of those counterfeit waterslide decals that still shows up on eBay from time to time. They never get the first "e" in Fender right.

Overall, the pedigree/authenticity of this guitar smells pretty fishy to me.

Joel

I agree. Also, the decal looks like an '83 Vintage, rather than a '52.

lenny · November 15th, 2004, 09:32 AM

now that we've heard about his wife having a reissue that she thought was a 52, i'll share my thoughts on this some more. he says its a 15 yr old refinish. that got me to thinking, it could just as easily be a 15 yr old reissue, and that's what i'd be concerned about as a portential buyer

bo · November 15th, 2004, 10:45 AM

Rock and Roll Trio....

MandyMarie · November 15th, 2004, 06:13 PM

Through Scotty Moore my husband and I knew Paul too...and like Johnny, I'm scratching my head a bit with this one.

The second one that Stevie Ray borrowed from Paul was indeed refinished - I specifically remember Paul saying he "wished so bad he wouldn't have had that guitar refinished" - but he was speaking of a BODY refin only...

I compltely agree with Joel about the decal and since I know for sure the neck wasn't refinished, the decal bit makes me wonder.

Cool guitar though nonetheless IMO, and maybe I'm naive, but I can't imagine someone lying intentionally about a guitar like this, I think he's just mistaken a bit about some of it. What about you guys?

Bill · November 15th, 2004, 07:48 PM

If it's a re-issue and an honest misunderstanding of what it really is, why is there a TG (or TC, is what it looks like) with the date on the neck? If it's not original, someone along the way tried to make it seem that way.

lenny · November 15th, 2004, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

If it's a re-issue and an honest misunderstanding of what it really is, why is there a TG (or TC, is what it looks like) with the date on the neck? If it's not original, someone along the way tried to make it seem that way.

yep excellent point, i forgot about that

0le FUZZY · November 15th, 2004, 08:03 PM

After werkin with it fer several hours here I beleeb only the neck iss old and even it may knott be a 52.

All the rest looks 52 Reissue.

Here are the butts of a 92 Reissue and a shrunk down version of the one shown onna ad.

Notice the high or close tew the fret board truss rod nut onna older neck.

The tuners are old but knott kerrect fer the stated year however that "Sweet spot" sure looks good. The headstock shape seems as if sumbody hass sanded it onna tip and elsewhere as it looks a liddo mis-shapin.

No way werth the getus asked unless yew issa die hard fan.

JMHO YMMV.

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danelectro · November 15th, 2004, 09:21 PM

Its not worth that kind of money even if it is legit. People who tear guitars apart on ebay for photos have sold guitars on ebay before. The photos have the appearance of being shot by a veteran ebayer and not just somebody's grandkid. I'd be wary of that for sure. I am surprised the amount of bids that it has got and the amount of them. 6k buys alot of vintage ax anywhere.

teleinMI · November 15th, 2004, 11:07 PM

Last feedback left for this seller is negative...also has one for making a false claim on another item sold...

remmert · November 15th, 2004, 11:23 PM

Let's give it a quick rundown in the order the guitar is described...

Neck original, but refretted and stripped
Body refinished
First pickup may have been replaced
Second pickup original
Bridge replaced
Switches, wiring and knobs appear original

...that pretty much leaves you with what the seller will vouch for as an original neck, a pickup and tuners. For $6 grand!

Rick

MandyMarie · November 16th, 2004, 02:52 AM

And if it was indeed Paul's I think it'd fetch somewhere in that price range regardless, Rick...but that seems to be part of the mystery as well, you guys ain't kiddin'.

Thanks for taking the time to do that investigatin' Fuzzy, you've got such a great eye.

And Bill, great point! ...danged it...haha! :D

openbar · November 16th, 2004, 12:01 PM

See, I don't think it's worth that kind of money. Paul may be a hero for us rockabilly fans, but at the very best this is just one of his "kicker" guitars - not featured on any famous recordings, or even used that much. To me, the only valuable Burlison guitar would be the Esquire on "Tear it Up".

It'd be cool to own one of his guitars, sure, but that's it. Just cool, not 6 grand for a partscaster cool.

JohnnyAtomic · November 16th, 2004, 02:29 PM

Quote:

It'd be cool to own one of his guitars, sure,

well i've owned TWO guitars i got from paul, and i sold them both. DOH!

johnny atomic

November 14th, 2004, 12:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Tele295 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Haunted Amp, CA Posts: 3,403 14 Photos	Walter - did you like the "we grandkids" remark? Is that supposed to be our seal of authenticity? __________________ "Turn it up and it doesn't need any reverb." - Danny Gatton www.dannygatton.info Tiger Town Aces - Music That Bites Back In Redd we trust! Free Bill Kirchen! If lawyers are disbarred and clergymen defrocked, doesn't it follow that electricians can be delighted, musicians denoted, cowboys deranged, models deposed, tree surgeons debarked, and dry cleaners depressed?

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TomK Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 450	Pic of neck pup shows plastic insulation on the leads instead of cloth---and the surgical tubing spacer in the pic looks pretty new... __________________ ***************** Insert something clever {here}.

November 14th, 2004, 02:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
jhundt Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Age: 54 Posts: 3,011 9 Photos	So, come on out and say it! Are you guys saying "he is a liar, this guitar is a fake!" or aren't you?

November 14th, 2004, 09:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
Joel Terry Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Old Hickory (Nashville), Tennessee, USA Age: 40 Posts: 4,405 17 Photos	And that decal sure isn't genuine Plus, it's a pretty bad fake, to boot--one of those counterfeit waterslide decals that still shows up on eBay from time to time. They never get the first "e" in Fender right. Overall, the pedigree/authenticity of this guitar smells pretty fishy to me. Joel __________________ Jesus saves--and He passes the savings on to YOU! ASPCA "Well...."

November 14th, 2004, 01:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Walter Broes Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Age: 38 Posts: 473	I have no idea about the authenticity of the guitar, but this : "He wrote the song "Train keep a Rollin" done by Aerosmith" in the auction description is a little over-enthousiastic - as far as I know, Burlison supposedly played guitar on Johnny and Dorsey Burnette's cover of Tiny Bradshaw's "Train kept-a rollin".

November 14th, 2004, 01:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Walter Broes Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Age: 38 Posts: 473	Interesting little dot under that serial number on the bridgeplate too huh?

November 14th, 2004, 01:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
openbar Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 321	I always thought Paul played an Esquire on the early Johnny Burnette stuff. (please, let's not get into who played what, Grady Martin, etc.)

November 14th, 2004, 01:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Walter Broes Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Age: 38 Posts: 473	Wasn't that esquire run over by a car btw?

November 14th, 2004, 01:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
openbar Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 321	Oh, I don't know about the car accident, but all those early album and promo shots clearly show a whiteguard Esquire.

November 14th, 2004, 06:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Paul in Colorado Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fort Collins, CO Age: 55 Posts: 4,337 3 Photos	When I saw Paul in Richmond, VA in the late '80's, he was playing a Thinline.

November 15th, 2004, 07:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
JohnnyAtomic Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 1,338	I knew Paul, and i don't know this guitar. but, i never saw all his guitars. he did have at least one old tele, the second one that he ever got. the first got backed over by a car, this second one is the one stevie ray borrowed for "the house is a rockin". this second one was an esquire i believe and had a neck PU added. but paul never told me about it having it refin'ed or having all those changes. but he did say he had a refinished 52. i never understood if he was talking about the same guitar or not. paul had a BAD divorce in his last couple of years of life, which included his Ex running off with several of his guitars. he told me that she thought she had taken his 52, but he had the real one and she had taken a "reissue". his wife called me about a year or so after his death wanting to sell me the 52, and she believes she took the real one. so what i'd like to know is this his blood grandson, or his step grandson. that would make a BIG difference to me in determining if it's a real 52. __________________ flaming hamper of rock! www.myspace.com/johnnyatomicmusic

November 15th, 2004, 09:32 AM	#15 (permalink)
lenny Banned Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New Haven, CT. USA Posts: 3,219	now that we've heard about his wife having a reissue that she thought was a 52, i'll share my thoughts on this some more. he says its a 15 yr old refinish. that got me to thinking, it could just as easily be a 15 yr old reissue, and that's what i'd be concerned about as a portential buyer

November 15th, 2004, 10:45 AM	#16 (permalink)
bo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,776	Didn't even get the band's name right! Rock and Roll Trio....

November 15th, 2004, 06:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
MandyMarie Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Age: 28 Posts: 2,537 65 Photos	Through Scotty Moore my husband and I knew Paul too...and like Johnny, I'm scratching my head a bit with this one. The second one that Stevie Ray borrowed from Paul was indeed refinished - I specifically remember Paul saying he "wished so bad he wouldn't have had that guitar refinished" - but he was speaking of a BODY refin only... I compltely agree with Joel about the decal and since I know for sure the neck wasn't refinished, the decal bit makes me wonder. Cool guitar though nonetheless IMO, and maybe I'm naive, but I can't imagine someone lying intentionally about a guitar like this, I think he's just mistaken a bit about some of it. What about you guys? __________________ our wacky little hillbilly band

November 15th, 2004, 07:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
Bill Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 2,668 59 Photos	If it's a re-issue and an honest misunderstanding of what it really is, why is there a TG (or TC, is what it looks like) with the date on the neck? If it's not original, someone along the way tried to make it seem that way. __________________ B i l l B a e c k A journal of our year in London

November 15th, 2004, 08:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
0le FUZZY Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kolly-forn-knee-ya Posts: 10,001 6 Photos	After werkin with it fer several hours here I beleeb only the neck iss old and even it may knott be a 52. All the rest looks 52 Reissue. Here are the butts of a 92 Reissue and a shrunk down version of the one shown onna ad. Notice the high or close tew the fret board truss rod nut onna older neck. The tuners are old but knott kerrect fer the stated year however that "Sweet spot" sure looks good. The headstock shape seems as if sumbody hass sanded it onna tip and elsewhere as it looks a liddo mis-shapin. No way werth the getus asked unless yew issa die hard fan. JMHO YMMV. Please visit my page

November 15th, 2004, 09:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
danelectro Tele-Meister Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 119	Fake or not Its not worth that kind of money even if it is legit. People who tear guitars apart on ebay for photos have sold guitars on ebay before. The photos have the appearance of being shot by a veteran ebayer and not just somebody's grandkid. I'd be wary of that for sure. I am surprised the amount of bids that it has got and the amount of them. 6k buys alot of vintage ax anywhere.

November 15th, 2004, 11:07 PM	#22 (permalink)
teleinMI Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Gallagher Island Posts: 168	keep yer bid paddle on the down low Last feedback left for this seller is negative...also has one for making a false claim on another item sold...

November 15th, 2004, 11:23 PM	#23 (permalink)
remmert NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9	Piece by piece Let's give it a quick rundown in the order the guitar is described... Neck original, but refretted and stripped Body refinished First pickup may have been replaced Second pickup original Bridge replaced Switches, wiring and knobs appear original ...that pretty much leaves you with what the seller will vouch for as an original neck, a pickup and tuners. For $6 grand! Rick

November 16th, 2004, 02:52 AM	#24 (permalink)
MandyMarie Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Age: 28 Posts: 2,537 65 Photos	And if it was indeed Paul's I think it'd fetch somewhere in that price range regardless, Rick...but that seems to be part of the mystery as well, you guys ain't kiddin'. Thanks for taking the time to do that investigatin' Fuzzy, you've got such a great eye. And Bill, great point! ...danged it...haha! :D __________________ our wacky little hillbilly band

November 16th, 2004, 12:01 PM	#25 (permalink)
openbar Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 321	See, I don't think it's worth that kind of money. Paul may be a hero for us rockabilly fans, but at the very best this is just one of his "kicker" guitars - not featured on any famous recordings, or even used that much. To me, the only valuable Burlison guitar would be the Esquire on "Tear it Up". It'd be cool to own one of his guitars, sure, but that's it. Just cool, not 6 grand for a partscaster cool.