Keith Richards' Get Yer Ya Ya's out tone....

[Brian.Tele]

I know he used those huge ampeg vt amps, no idea how he got them to overdrive though, it must have been ear splitting....

Anyone know a tube amp that I could get the same style overdrive tone at a bedroom level without using a pedal ?

[Groovey Records]

Champ

[Brian.Tele]

Tweed, Blackface, Silverface ? Alnico or Ceramic?

[Groovey Records]

tweed bf sf its in the fingers

[ibobunot]

Catalinbread SFT: 70s Stones

[Groovey Records]

Really its only a facsimile

I was at the MSG shows there is so much going on in those recordings that you can get Taylor Charlie and Keith into your bedroom and it still wouldn't nail it

[Brian.Tele]

Catalinbread SFT is clearly awesome. Any idea of a low wattage amp that can get that sound (sort of) when pushed to the max?

[csapo]

Originally Posted by Brian.Tele

Catalinbread SFT is clearly awesome. Any idea of a low wattage amp that can get that sound (sort of) when pushed to the max?

The SFT is a terrific pedal. Catalinbread really nailed this one.

65 Amps Stone Pony is touted to get that Ampeg tone. Check Youtube for clips and bypass the 65 Amps site. Hasn't been updated since dial up...

[Brian.Tele]

the 65 Stone Pony is awesome but at 3000 bucks I'd rather get a real Ampeg and an attenuator....

[Groovey Records]

The Catalin Bread is nailing a tone from Sticky Fingers Studio recording not live MSG tones of Ya Yas Its way too clean.


Another whole thing man

Remember

[ibobunot]

At 1:48 he retunes and does his best Keef impression...

Tech 21 VT Bass with Telecaster

[Groovey Records]

Once again Sticky Fingers studio tones.

And Keith wasn't playing a Tele that night.

Here are the Stones backstage with Jimi Hendrix at MSG that night showing off Keith's new plexiglass guitar no audio music is from a Brian Jones Hendrix Dave Mason bootleg

Keith and Jimi talk at 6 min into the video for a couple of seconds

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoid=27158832

[ibobunot]

Pedantic...

[Groovey Records]

Keef's got your pedantic right here dullsville

[Mik]

"Bedroom" level, no pedals just amp I'd say a BF or SF Champ or VibroChamp for '69 live Keef. Ceramic or alnico works. Still going to be "turn the damn thing down" loud. and no Tele try a LP or 335, both with humbuckers.

If you need to use a pedal any OD cheap or expensive will do fine.

For me Can't You Hear Me Knockin is damn dirty but not YaYas dirty.

I guess I'm agreeing with Groovey...not nailable but I'll add tha a facsimile can be big fun.

[Groovey Records]

Originally Posted by Mik

"Bedroom" level, no pedals just amp I'd say a BF or SF Champ or VibroChamp for '69 live Keef. Ceramic or alnico works. Still going to be "turn the damn thing down" loud. and no Tele try a LP or 335, both with humbuckers.

If you need to use a pedal any OD cheap or expensive will do fine.

For me Can't You Hear Me Knockin is damn dirty but not YaYas dirty.

I guess I'm agreeing with Groovey...not nailable but I'll add tha a facsimile can be big fun.

You know what I yelled at Mick when he said Charlie's pretty good tonight isn't he?

I yelled "Charlie's good every night Mick"

3rd row seat center isle about $12

[brokenjoe]

Dan Armstrong plexiglass guitar through an Ampeg SVT bass head and matching speakers.

Don't know how you'd do it with other stuff, but you can try.

[JohnnyCrash]

BF/SF Champs do it perfectly. P-90s help a lot. With normal Teles the middle spot is better than just the bridge alone (its a darker, creamier sound).

Put it in open g tuning and a lot of amps can do it. Brown Deluxes and low watt tweed Twins can do it (though it'll be loud). The mid volume tweeds can do it too. A tad of reverb or delay helps for the studio stuff, depending on the song/album (Start Me Up for instance requires a bit of FX).

Newer amps can do it (Peavey Classics, Fender Blues Juniors, etc), but it requires a bit of knob twiddling to dial it in close enough.

From what I understand, the Ampegs were contractually required for live stuff only... studio was a different story.

[Maxwell Street]

Deluxe Reverb....ES355

[varakeef]

Basically krank up any (not a modern style high gain) tube amp, back up the volume of yer geetar a bit, and start chuncking.

Just play less, use open tunings, miss some notes and don't give a damn when to hit the chords and you'l get thereabouts.

It's not about the amp or sound, it's the touch and phrasing. Keith has used many different amps in studio sessions and live situations and really... that's not important.

[Brian.Tele]

How the heck did they get those huge ampegs to overdrive ?

[Stylemaster]

Originally Posted by Groovey Records

You know what I yelled at Mick when he said Charlie's pretty good tonight isn't he?

I yelled "Charlie's good every night Mick"

3rd row seat center isle about $12

Groovey, I had front row center for $12! Still have the ticket stub somewhere. I will have to scan it. Someone told me back in those days to go to the Fillmore box office day of concert and ask for cancellation tickets (when press people didn't claim their tickets) and I always got seats. Well I tried it the day of the first show, Thurs. at MSG (40 years ago this month!) and the little old lady in the ticket booth said, "well we only have these."

As another poster above postulated it was earsplitting, But fantastic! The only problem was that there was little to no security in front of the stage and when everyone rushed up to stand between the front row and stage it got very ugly. I got punched and my girlfriend got groped. (no wonder that this tour ended the way it did at Altamont). Still the music was unbelievable. And when they came out for the encore, "Street Fighting Man" it was so loud my entire gut was shuddering from the blast of sound waves.

[Gav2000]

Originally Posted by ibobunot

Pedantic...

And where can I get one of these Pedantic pedals/amps? I can't find any info or reviews anywhere!

[Johnny P]

Groovey and Stylemaster,

I was at shows on the 72 tour and it was loud then too!! Great memories. Thanks for sharing.

[p90teleman]

there was a detailed thread about this on TGP a while ago...look it up, plenty of info (and opinions) IIRC

[ibobunot]

Originally Posted by Stylemaster

[b]Groovey, I had front row center for $12!

The only problem was that there was little to no security in front of the stage and when everyone rushed up to stand between the front row and stage it got very ugly.

I was in the 7th row center stage 1972 Tarrant County Convention Center - Fort Worth, TX Stevie Wonder opened.

There was tight security on the line to get tickets anyone that tried to jump ahead in the line was tossed out...

[Groovey Records]

Originally Posted by Stylemaster

Groovey, I had front row center for $12! Still have the ticket stub somewhere. I will have to scan it. Someone told me back in those days to go to the Fillmore box office day of concert and ask for cancellation tickets (when press people didn't claim their tickets) and I always got seats. Well I tried it that Thurs. (40 years ago this month!) and the little old lady in the ticket booth said, "well we only have these."

As another poster above postulated it was earsplitting, But fantastic! The only problem was that there was little to no security in front of the stage and when everyone rushed up to stand between the front row and stage it got very ugly. I got punched and my girlfriend got groped. (no wonder that this tour ended the way it did at Altamont). Still the music was unbelievable. And when they came out for the encore, "Street Fighting Man" it was so loud my entire gut was shuddering from the blast of sound waves.

I don't have any but there were pictures that you could see me and Johnny Thunders in front of the stage. I was 16. My best friends older brother worked at the Fillmore, I had forgotten that about day of the show tickets. Do you remember the green and yellow Fillmore staff t shirts? They looked like football Jerseys.

Back then you could almost always score the day of the show on 7th ave in front of MSG

Anyway to the OP getting that sound that's on that record "Get your Ya Ya's Out"

one of the greatest live rock and roll records ever made,(next to "Live at Leeds") in your bedroom without pedals, its a cranked Champ.

Plain and simple

[Muddybuchfan]

Tweed deluxe or tweed champ depending on how loud you can get in your house and how much headroom you want. My brothers were at the Boston Garden shows when someone was tossed from the balcony; pretty rough stuff.

[telemania]

I have it on reasonably good authority (from Kim Pey who did sound for the Stones early on) that the first amp plugged into is one of those 1950's era white tolex tweed amps - then he chains to higher wattage amps to move some air. It's the small amp snarling that gets that mojo tone.

[FirstBassman]

Originally Posted by Groovey Records

Do you remember the green and yellow Fillmore staff t shirts? They looked like football Jerseys.

Yup, I remember those.

They kinda looked like this:





I also remember that to help keep people "in line" the burly Fillmore ushers would also carry plastic machine guns.

Actually not a very tasteful idea when you think about it.

Graham was an odd guy.

[FirstBassman]

Originally Posted by Groovey Records

Here are the Stones backstage with Jimi Hendrix at MSG that night showing off Keith's new plexiglass guitar no audio music is from a Brian Jones Hendrix Dave Mason bootleg

There is a photo on the back of the original Ya-Yas LP of Keith playing the plexiglass guitar.

[FirstBassman]

Originally Posted by Stylemaster

Someone told me back in those days to go to the Fillmore box office day of concert and ask for cancellation tickets and I always got seats. Well I tried it that Thurs. (40 years ago this month!) and the little old lady in the ticket booth said, "well we only have these."

Actually the very same weekend that the Stones were at MSG, I saw the Airplane at the Fillmore recording this:

[Groovey Records]

Water pistols
I asked Graham to let me in Lincoln Center to See Tommy's Premiere sold out.

He lectured me for what seemed an hour about how I was ripping of my heroes and didn't have a clue about reality. Then he let me in.

Now how would you get this Stones live sound?

[Notalent]

I don't understand why so many players are chasing down so-and-so's tone. They are professional musicians (head and shoulders above the majority of players), with professional techs and engineers tending their custom made equipment, including mixing boards, effects, and the like. Also consider that they have been playing some of these songs for 40 years!

[Bloodguitar]

Originally Posted by Notalent

I don't understand why so many players are chasing down so-and-so's tone. They are professional musicians (head and shoulders above the majority of players), with professional techs and engineers tending their custom made equipment, including mixing boards, effects, and the like. Also consider that they have been playing some of these songs for 40 years!

+1. Keith has evolved his 'sound' over the years. I'd sooner find my own sound! Having said that, Ya Ya's tone is awesome - wasn't he playing a black 335 or 345?

[Stylemaster]

Originally Posted by Groovey Records

I don't have any but there were pictures that you could see me and Johnny Thunders in front of the stage. I was 16. My best friends older brother worked at the Fillmore, I had forgotten that about day of the show tickets. Do you remember the green and yellow Fillmore staff t shirts? They looked like football Jerseys.

Back then you could almost always score the day of the show on 7th ave in front of MSG

Anyway to the OP getting that sound that's on that record "Get your Ya Ya's Out"

one of the greatest live rock and roll records ever made,(next to "Live at Leeds") in your bedroom without pedals, its a cranked Champ.

Plain and simple

Groovey, I was 16 too. You were in front of the stage? Maybe it was you who punched me (or groped my girlfriend). Anyway we talked about some of our similar history, I believe, at TGP breakfast at the NY Amp show.

+1 on Ya Ya's & Live at Leeds 2 of the greatest R'N'R records ever made. I saw the Who several times at the Fillmore spring '69. I especially remember the show when the building next door was on fire and the Who beat up and threw a plain clothes cop who was trying to warn the crowd about the fire, off the stage. It was during the first tour they played songs from Tommy.

[Home Grown Tele]

I saw them on that "69" tour in Philly at the Spectrum. And to say it was loud was an understatement!

When they brought the house lights up and kicked off "Little Queenie" the floor was vibrating. It was an awesome sight. That song had eveybody bopping. It was a helluva sight to see that many heads bouncing up and down to the beat!

Great rock n roll days!!

[Maxwell Street]

Stones - Amphitheatre Chicago 72'.....Keith - teles / snakeskin boots....Wyman - Ampeg acrylic bass.....

[varakeef]

Originally Posted by Notalent

I don't understand why so many players are chasing down so-and-so's tone. They are professional musicians (head and shoulders above the majority of players), with professional techs and engineers tending their custom made equipment, including mixing boards, effects, and the like. Also consider that they have been playing some of these songs for 40 years!

Of course Keith hadn't been playing songs on Ya Ya's for that many years back then... and the stuff they used back then was probably more or less stock.

The main problem is the fact that what is percieved as "the sound" of a certain player isn't the sound, but playing style. It's possible to mimic both the sound and the style, however.

What I hear in for example Midnite Rambler in Get yer Ya ya's is a sound that is very close to any 5 watter cranked up. (On Keiths guitar, Taylor seems to be quite clean until the slow part.) Those Ampegs must have been loud...

[keithcc]

Originally Posted by Notalent

I don't understand why so many players are chasing down so-and-so's tone. They are professional musicians (head and shoulders above the majority of players), with professional techs and engineers tending their custom made equipment, including mixing boards, effects, and the like. Also consider that they have been playing some of these songs for 40 years!

The whole point to rock and roll was that most anyone with the ass to, and a little biological talent, could do it. Whether you'd get famous or rich was another matter altogether.

It's not like a classical musician, where only the very best even get in to the conservatory, and you spend half your life and maybe wind up a third violist in the Pittsburgh Symphony. It's not like even Frank Sinatra, where you really have to be able to sing. The only musician in the Stones that's even really a musician by the previous standards is Charlie (Mick Taylor was too, but that's why he left). And when the Stones did Ya-Ya's they hadn't been playing all that very long- as a band, six or seven years. Playing Rolling Stones songs isn't really rocket science. I would argue that there are a dozen tribute bands out there that play Stones songs better than the Rolling Stones do today-they're thirty years younger and did a lot less dope.

Playing violin with the tone and facility of, say, Perlman-now there's a snipe hunt for you. Even so my periodontist plays the Bach Chaconne as well as Joshua Bell, as far as I can tell, and he only has a twenty thousand dollar violin. Bell's was three million, I heard. He did however attend one of the big conservatories out East (not Jullliard, I can't remember which one-and no, not the Sheboygan...).