62 RI..string retainer question

aztwang · October 12th, 2009, 03:17 AM

When I do a bend between the nut and the tuners on the B and E strings, they want to go slightly sharp and stay sharp. The problem goes away if I eliminate the string retainer. Is this a normal condition? This has the T style retainer.

BuddyLee · October 12th, 2009, 03:44 AM

Have you tried using a bit of graphite or some other lube like Nut Sauce on that string tree and nut?

aztwang · October 12th, 2009, 03:46 AM

no..i thought about it but all I have is WD

Dave Hopping · October 12th, 2009, 03:50 AM

That's odd...what you're describing sounds like the strings hanging up in the nut slots.Could be that the absence of the retainer makes for less break angle over the nut,therefore less downward pressure from the strings,therefore less friction when you release a bend and the strings more easily slide back over the bottom of the nut slots.If you want to keep using the retainer,try lubing the nut slots.

BuddyLee · October 12th, 2009, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aztwang

no..i thought about it but all I have is WD

Some people use a pencil. I just bought the stuff they sell at my local shop, it is white so it does not mark up the nut.

aztwang · October 12th, 2009, 05:21 AM

ok...Cleaned and cked and lubed nut. Also added a bit of lube to string and retainer. Performed a full step+ bend at the 10th fret...tuning is spot on..both B and E. Performed a 1/4 to 1/2 step bend behind the nut and instantly goes sharp..again pull strings out of retainer and tuning is spot on again....Help..!

varakeef · October 12th, 2009, 05:39 AM

Sounds like too tight slot for string in the nut. If it's too tight, lubing won't help. If you don't have skill (and saddle files) to widen it, take it to guitar repairer.

Is the string retainer straight and in right place? The strings should go straight into tuner, if there's an extra kink due to retainer there it may cause problems. Retainer should just press the string down a bit, not sideways.

aztwang · October 20th, 2009, 02:44 PM

Thank you all...and yes the problem was in the nut.Needed to be opened up and smoothed out a bit.

October 12th, 2009, 03:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
aztwang Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Location: Phx, AZ Age: 50 Posts: 127	62 RI..string retainer question When I do a bend between the nut and the tuners on the B and E strings, they want to go slightly sharp and stay sharp. The problem goes away if I eliminate the string retainer. Is this a normal condition? This has the T style retainer.

October 12th, 2009, 05:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
varakeef Tele-Holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 547 50 Photos	Sounds like too tight slot for string in the nut. If it's too tight, lubing won't help. If you don't have skill (and saddle files) to widen it, take it to guitar repairer. Is the string retainer straight and in right place? The strings should go straight into tuner, if there's an extra kink due to retainer there it may cause problems. Retainer should just press the string down a bit, not sideways. __________________ If you remove the noisy stuff inside the piano it makes a great house for a dog.

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October 12th, 2009, 03:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
BuddyLee Tele-Holic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Silicon Valley Age: 31 Posts: 727	Have you tried using a bit of graphite or some other lube like Nut Sauce on that string tree and nut?

October 12th, 2009, 03:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
aztwang Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Location: Phx, AZ Age: 50 Posts: 127	no..i thought about it but all I have is WD

October 12th, 2009, 03:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
Dave Hopping Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Aurora,Colorado Posts: 1,438	That's odd...what you're describing sounds like the strings hanging up in the nut slots.Could be that the absence of the retainer makes for less break angle over the nut,therefore less downward pressure from the strings,therefore less friction when you release a bend and the strings more easily slide back over the bottom of the nut slots.If you want to keep using the retainer,try lubing the nut slots.

October 12th, 2009, 05:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
aztwang Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Location: Phx, AZ Age: 50 Posts: 127	ok...Cleaned and cked and lubed nut. Also added a bit of lube to string and retainer. Performed a full step+ bend at the 10th fret...tuning is spot on..both B and E. Performed a 1/4 to 1/2 step bend behind the nut and instantly goes sharp..again pull strings out of retainer and tuning is spot on again....Help..!

October 20th, 2009, 02:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
aztwang Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Location: Phx, AZ Age: 50 Posts: 127	Thank you all...and yes the problem was in the nut.Needed to be opened up and smoothed out a bit.

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