Vintage tuners for American Standard?

[Chrismo]

Will the Fender vintage style tuners leave any holes showing on an American Standard neck? They are replacing the stock tuners.

If they will leave holes showing, are there any direct replacements or a vintage set that would not show any holes?

[Strat62]

I don't believe the holes will show. I just installed a set of Fender Standard tuners on a project, and the two holes for the pegs on the tuner body will be covered by the body of the vintage tuner. I've got both types here.

[Chrismo]

That's what I thought but wanted to double check. Thank you :)

[PJ]

The holes won't show. If you want to go back to the die cast tuners, the holes will show.

[Chrismo]

Gotcha. Thank you! :)

[user name]

Originally Posted by Chrismo

Will the Fender vintage style tuners leave any holes showing on an American Standard neck? They are replacing the stock tuners.

If they will leave holes showing, are there any direct replacements or a vintage set that would not show any holes?

you know you're gonna need conversion bushings for those right?

[PJ]

I changed-out some similar die-cast tuners on a Squier - same double-pin footprint as your American Standard. I used the Stew-Mac 10.5mm bushings
and Gotoh vintage tuners. No holes showing. A much better tuner set-up IMO.

[Vizcaster]

Here's another option: Tone Pros Kluson tuners are available with bolt bushings that fit the larger holes without conversion bushings. The backs say "Kluson Deluxe." Round buttons, of course, split posts, nice polished nickel finish.

[Chrismo]

Originally Posted by Vizcaster

Here's another option: Tone Pros Kluson tuners are available with bolt bushings that fit the larger holes without conversion bushings. The backs say "Kluson Deluxe." Round buttons, of course, split posts, nice polished nickel finish.

Are you referring to the TPKF6B?

[Chrismo]

Originally Posted by user name

you know you're gonna need conversion bushings for those right?

I thought the Fender set comes with bushings?

[mellecaster]

Originally Posted by Chrismo

I thought the Fender set comes with bushings?

He means the 10mm holes in yours are too large for the Vintage tuners...hence the Conversion bushings.

[Chrismo]

Originally Posted by mellecaster

He means the 10mm holes in yours are too large for the Vintage tuners...hence the Conversion bushings.

Gotcha. But the Klutson set doesn't need them?

[mellecaster]

Originally Posted by Chrismo

Gotcha. But the Klutson set doesn't need them?

Correct...the Tone Pros Klusons are totally different and don't use the old style press in bushings...they are meant to be a direct replacement.

[yegbert]

Pity there aren't replacement tuners with the split "safety" posts, but fit the same as the stock tuners. I'm sure some folks want replacements that replicate the Kluson vintage design to a "T", but some of us would be satisfied with that one difference, and we could get that with a mod that doesn't make a permanent alteration to the headstock.

[boris bubbanov]

Originally Posted by Chrismo

Will the Fender vintage style tuners leave any holes showing on an American Standard neck? They are replacing the stock tuners.

If they will leave holes showing, are there any direct replacements or a vintage set that would not show any holes?

You question is kinda confusing. I think you are asking, will the vintage mount holes show if you ever take them back off.

I should just lie and say, if you switched back, the vintage tuners holes would not show. They would, but once you switch to vintages such as Gotoh 'kluson' style, you'll be glad you did the switch.

The one down at the sweet spot end (big E) would show the most:



If you meant, will the locater holes on the die cast tuners be hidden by the vintage tuner, the picture shows you the answer is yes. BTW, these are Highway Ones, but I've converted 3 Am Se Teles as well, same cool result.

[flt101]

if you need to start ratting out a guitar, seems like it will be up to you in the final

[Alamo]

Don't be a wimp- any tuner goes....

[PJ]

Once you go vintage tuners, there's no reason to go back. I could never figure out why Fender started the die-cast tuner thing. Especially when (most of) the high-dollar CS guitars are vintage designs with vintage Gotoh tuners.

[yegbert]

Originally Posted by PJ

Once you go vintage tuners, there's no reason to go back. I could never figure out why Fender started the die-cast tuner thing. Especially when (most of) the high-dollar CS guitars are vintage designs with vintage Gotoh tuners.

The owner who converted them to vintage feels that way, and maybe will continue to feel that way. But some of those necks with screw holes in the headstock will end up later with someone who wants to restore the Tele to its original state.

This affects Squier Standard Teles the same way it does American Standard Teles. 1998 was the first year of Squier Standard Tele production at Cort's plant in Indonesia. They made them with maple fretboards and 21 frets in 1998 and 1999 and switched to 22 frets and rosewood fretboards in 2000. Try finding one of those 1998 or 1999 necks now in a condition that is original or at restorable at reasonable cost, and you'll find that the numbers have dwindled because of logos removed and other tuners installed leaving holes that would show if trying to restore to original condition.

[PJ]

Good point, Yeg...but the tuners on my Squier neck were dreadful, so a changeout of some kind was needed. I suppose I could have used the Fender
die-cast parts to preserve the drillings, and I gueass if it was a ProTone or something like that, I would have. But, it was just a Made-in-India neck that
although nice, was a part-out, so it really wasn't an issue. On a good, potentially collectible Fender or Squier, I'd have done what you suggested, for sure. In fact, my '70 Tele (excepting the switch) has all it's original parts.