Kiss on a telecaster?

InSearchForTwang · February 18th, 2004, 02:38 AM

Possible?

Listening to Hotter than Hell and was wondering if you could dial these tones on a tele without getting something like a hot coils?

Tim Bowen · February 18th, 2004, 02:58 AM

Short answer: No man, you need humbuckers.

I've been trying to get strats out of teles, teles out of strats, LP's out of strats, well you get the idea, for a while.

The best tool for the job, as it ever was, is just that. Forget approximations of anything & everything, you'll save time in the long run. $.02, YMMV, all that good PC stuff.

"Ain't nothin' like the real thing, baby...".

Joel Terry · February 18th, 2004, 03:04 AM

with a Tele and a BOSS OD-3 Over Drive, believe it or not! (Ah, there's nothing like early Kiss! Classics!)

Plus, Ace was known to wield a Tele, Esquire, or Strat on the occasional studio cut with Kiss.

hippietim · February 18th, 2004, 04:21 AM

Yes, Ace would double rhythm parts on a Strat or Tele. Never on leads though. The dominant tone is still the Les Paul.

Captain Simian · February 18th, 2004, 08:39 AM

I think you could do Paul Stanley's parts on a tele. His sound was always a little thinner to my ears. Paul's a highly underrated rhythm guitar player IMHO.

Joel Terry · February 18th, 2004, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Simian

I think you could do Paul Stanley's parts on a tele. His sound was always a little thinner to my ears. Paul's a highly underrated rhythm guitar player IMHO.

I agree--you could get Paul's parts across with a Tele. And Paul is indeed a fantastic rhythm guitarist. I love the way Ace's and Paul's parts are arranged to complement each other, especially on the first few albums. You can definitely tell they took time to work out their individual parts (Gene did too, really) in order to get an overall synergistic sound.

Joel

aln413 · February 18th, 2004, 01:09 PM

i didnt know we had any kiss fans on here!!!i use a line 6 flextone 2 hd and get a really good kiss tone from the downloads that are available on the site. gotta love the digital baby.

Joel Terry · February 18th, 2004, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aln413

i didnt know we had any kiss fans on here!!!

The first song I ever learned to pick out on a guitar was "Firehouse."

Joel

Bob Mc · February 18th, 2004, 01:27 PM

Anybody ever hear this? I got stuck in my head somehow,could be a myth.

Vladimir · February 18th, 2004, 05:42 PM

Hey, I love Kiss as much as I love Teles, but...
I prefer to keep them seperate.

The typical Kiss tone is that of a bridge bucker, Dimarzio Super Distortion for the lead, and Super II for Pauls sound, all through a Marshall stack. Plain and simple, and Kiss has always been honest in its music.

In fact, they are the reason I still keep a dual-bucker Ibanez SG copy around the house, just in case the urge to play Black Diamond or Rock'n'Roll all Night arises .

InSearchForTwang · February 18th, 2004, 05:50 PM

Yup, the main Black Diamond riff and Hotter than hell is what made me urge to post this. Thanks guys.

0le FUZZY · February 18th, 2004, 06:01 PM

"Scuuze me whilst I kiss iss guy" Well amost a Hendrix quote.

---0.F.---

gtrman911 · February 18th, 2004, 06:07 PM

imho.......

[size=7]you can get any tone on a tele![/size]

hippietim · February 18th, 2004, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by frankthomson

imho.......

[size=7]you can get any tone on a tele![/size]

Well, any solid body guitar shape can be made to sound like any other solid body guitar shape. At a certain abstract point you just have to use the right woods and hardware and there you go. So you can make a Tele that is suitable for all sorts of things. You could do the same thing with a Les Paul. Yank the stop tail piece and tune-o-matic bridge and slap in a Tele bridge and pickup and you'll start twanging.

However, no way does a stock Tele get anything close to a humbucker or P-90 tone. You can use pedals and other stuff to get close but it will never be the same.

hippietim · February 18th, 2004, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aln413

i didnt know we had any kiss fans on here!!!

What makes you think there are any Kiss fans here?

Blazer · February 18th, 2004, 10:49 PM

Maybe strange for me to put this up, but on "Hot in the shade" and most notably on "Rise to it" Paul is clearly heard playing a Tele.

That twang he's heard using can only come from one guitar.

And although you probably can't call it a "Proper" Tele I have seen live pictures of Bruce Kulick playing a tele shaped ESP with Twin Humbuckers and a floyd.

Don't get me wrong "Alive"is my favorite Kiss record and "let me go rock and Roll"my favorite cut from that record but it's not fair that later Kiss members like Eric Carr, Vinny Vincent, Mark St.John, Bruce Kulick and Eric Singer are largely ignored since they weren't the original four guys.

I think it's a fitting tribute that on their Current tour Kiss plays material from their non-make up days, Peter Criss actually is able to do the famous thunder of Eric Carr's drumming on "I love it loud", from what I read Peter thinks that it would be doing Eric injustice to hold back when playing that one live.

I had my doubts about Tommy Thayer but he's holding his own doing Ace frehley Justice by wearing his make up while also being able to play the solos that Vinny, Mark and Bruce played, he's a great all round Kiss guitarist.

Colo Springs E · February 18th, 2004, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

Plain and simple, and Kiss has always been honest in its music.

Not according to Gene Simmons. Per Gene, Ace barely played at all on the "Destroyer" album, either Bob Ezrin himself or some session player (Dick Wagner?) played most of the lead parts. Apparently Ace was pretty into partying by that point.

That said, I do like a lot of Kiss' songs!

-Eric

Colo Springs E · February 18th, 2004, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Blazer

I had my doubts about Tommy Thayer but he's holding his own doing Ace frehley.

Not a major feat in my opinion. I like Kiss and Ace fine, but Frehley is no genius on guitar by any means.

e-merlin · February 19th, 2004, 12:25 AM

You may not be able to cop the exact Kiss tone with a Tele, but I bet it would sound pretty cool anyway. Anyhow, the original tone has already been done. Why not give an old song a new twist?[/u]

Captain Simian · February 19th, 2004, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Colo Springs E

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

Plain and simple, and Kiss has always been honest in its music.

Not according to Gene Simmons. Per Gene, Ace barely played at all on the "Destroyer" album, either Bob Ezrin himself or some session player (Dick Wagner?) played most of the lead parts. Apparently Ace was pretty into partying by that point.

That said, I do like a lot of Kiss' songs!

-Eric

Yep, it was Dick Wagner but he only played on Sweet Pain. Later on, Peter was replaced by Anton Fig on almost the entire Dynasty album. Peter only drummed on his song, Dirty Livin'.

I like Gene but there are quite a few things he says that I would take with a large pinch of salt somedays. He seems to have rather selective memory.

Colo Springs E · February 19th, 2004, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Simian

Yep, it was Dick Wagner but he only played on Sweet Pain. I like Gene but there are quite a few things he says that I would take with a large pinch of salt somedays. He seems to have rather selective memory.

Valid point.

Did Dick Wagner play for Alice Cooper during a good part of his career?

Captain Simian · February 19th, 2004, 09:11 AM

Dick Wagner not only played with Alice, he played with Lou Reed too. Check out Lou's Rock 'n' Roll Animal record to hear Dick at his best. Great record, great guitar playing.

Vladimir · February 19th, 2004, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Colo Springs E

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vladimir

Plain and simple, and Kiss has always been honest in its music.

Not according to Gene Simmons. Per Gene, Ace barely played at all on the "Destroyer" album....
-Eric

Oh, alright! I was thinking more of Kiss when playing live!
My main source of information was the Guitar Player interview in 1979 wich featured all the bands members. Paul basically said that when you come to see Kiss, you get straight-out rock'n'roll with no frills covering up the sound. (They sure make up for the frills in the visual part though.) Their solo-albums, on the other hand, were venues for experimentation and Ace clearly said that he used a Tele on one of the cuts. But the pure Kiss studio albums were never discussed in the public until recently when Gene Simmons wrote his books.

One more interesting thing about Kiss:
Has anybody ever seen Gene Simmons using a Fender Bass? I think he is one of the few bassists who never played a Fender. I know they had a deal with Gibson in the 70's but still?

Joel Terry · February 19th, 2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

Has anybody ever seen Gene Simmons using a Fender Bass? I think he is one of the few bassists who never played a Fender. I know they had a deal with Gibson in the 70's but still?

Vladimir, according to several interviews with Gene, he used a Fender Precision briefly (with Bullfrog Bheer, I think...maybe very early Wicked Lester?), but never used them again simply because he didn't like the way Fender's characteristic asymmetrical double cutaways looked. Gene only likes and uses basses with symmetrical double cutaways. Strange, but apparently true.

Joel

February 18th, 2004, 02:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
InSearchForTwang TDPRI Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 61	Kiss on a telecaster? Possible? Listening to Hotter than Hell and was wondering if you could dial these tones on a tele without getting something like a hot coils?

February 18th, 2004, 02:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tim Bowen Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Age: 48 Posts: 3,323	Short answer: No man, you need humbuckers. I've been trying to get strats out of teles, teles out of strats, LP's out of strats, well you get the idea, for a while. The best tool for the job, as it ever was, is just that. Forget approximations of anything & everything, you'll save time in the long run. $.02, YMMV, all that good PC stuff. "Ain't nothin' like the real thing, baby...". __________________ "Everyone is different in how they learn, but for me, it's turning the pegs and just playing." - BB

February 18th, 2004, 03:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
Joel Terry Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Old Hickory (Nashville), Tennessee, USA Age: 40 Posts: 4,405 17 Photos	You know, I can cop a pretty decent early Kiss sound... with a Tele and a BOSS OD-3 Over Drive, believe it or not! (Ah, there's nothing like early Kiss! Classics!) Plus, Ace was known to wield a Tele, Esquire, or Strat on the occasional studio cut with Kiss. __________________ Jesus saves--and He passes the savings on to YOU! ASPCA "Well...."

February 18th, 2004, 08:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Captain Simian Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 40 Posts: 584	I think you could do Paul Stanley's parts on a tele. His sound was always a little thinner to my ears. Paul's a highly underrated rhythm guitar player IMHO. __________________ If you're looking for trouble, I've got the map!

February 18th, 2004, 01:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
aln413 Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fontana,ca. Posts: 444	hell yeah!! i didnt know we had any kiss fans on here!!!i use a line 6 flextone 2 hd and get a really good kiss tone from the downloads that are available on the site. gotta love the digital baby.

February 18th, 2004, 04:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
hippietim Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Raleigh Posts: 2,101	Yes, Ace would double rhythm parts on a Strat or Tele. Never on leads though. The dominant tone is still the Les Paul.

February 18th, 2004, 01:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
Bob Mc Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mo'town NJ Posts: 1,619	Robben Ford on KISS recordings? Anybody ever hear this? I got stuck in my head somehow,could be a myth. __________________ All of us contain Music & Truth, but most of us can't get it out. Mark Twain

February 18th, 2004, 05:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Vladimir Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Croatia Posts: 197	Kiss and Tele's Hey, I love Kiss as much as I love Teles, but... I prefer to keep them seperate. The typical Kiss tone is that of a bridge bucker, Dimarzio Super Distortion for the lead, and Super II for Pauls sound, all through a Marshall stack. Plain and simple, and Kiss has always been honest in its music. In fact, they are the reason I still keep a dual-bucker Ibanez SG copy around the house, just in case the urge to play Black Diamond or Rock'n'Roll all Night arises .

February 18th, 2004, 05:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
InSearchForTwang TDPRI Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 61	Yup, the main Black Diamond riff and Hotter than hell is what made me urge to post this. Thanks guys.

February 18th, 2004, 06:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
0le FUZZY Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kolly-forn-knee-ya Posts: 10,001 6 Photos	HEE! HEE! "Scuuze me whilst I kiss iss guy" Well amost a Hendrix quote. ---0.F.---

February 18th, 2004, 06:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
gtrman911 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Camelot Posts: 1,168 7 Photos	imho....... [size=7]you can get any tone on a tele![/size] __________________ My opinion is worth what you paid for it.

February 18th, 2004, 10:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
Blazer Friend of Leo's Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,421	Later Kiss cuts Maybe strange for me to put this up, but on "Hot in the shade" and most notably on "Rise to it" Paul is clearly heard playing a Tele. That twang he's heard using can only come from one guitar. And although you probably can't call it a "Proper" Tele I have seen live pictures of Bruce Kulick playing a tele shaped ESP with Twin Humbuckers and a floyd. Don't get me wrong "Alive"is my favorite Kiss record and "let me go rock and Roll"my favorite cut from that record but it's not fair that later Kiss members like Eric Carr, Vinny Vincent, Mark St.John, Bruce Kulick and Eric Singer are largely ignored since they weren't the original four guys. I think it's a fitting tribute that on their Current tour Kiss plays material from their non-make up days, Peter Criss actually is able to do the famous thunder of Eric Carr's drumming on "I love it loud", from what I read Peter thinks that it would be doing Eric injustice to hold back when playing that one live. I had my doubts about Tommy Thayer but he's holding his own doing Ace frehley Justice by wearing his make up while also being able to play the solos that Vinny, Mark and Bruce played, he's a great all round Kiss guitarist. __________________ "I reject your reality and subsitute my own." - Adam Savage, Mythbusters

February 19th, 2004, 09:11 AM	#22 (permalink)
Captain Simian Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 40 Posts: 584	Dick Wagner not only played with Alice, he played with Lou Reed too. Check out Lou's Rock 'n' Roll Animal record to hear Dick at his best. Great record, great guitar playing. __________________ If you're looking for trouble, I've got the map!