New bridge model from Glendale...

[yugnat]

Check it out: http://www.glendaleguitars.com/

Pretty slick, but $250.00 plus saddles??? He must not be set up for mass production on this one...

[Momotoro]

Who can keep up with this guy and all his ideas and the pricing? I like the bridge and saddles of his I have, but paid a lot less than the current prices. It seems to me that the best deal from him is to buy a whole guitar.

[cacibi]

Does this require routing of the pickup cavity to accommodate the re-positioned baseplate?

[bandeapart]

If you're already spending that much, you may as well just go for the vintage vibe tele.

[boris bubbanov]

Originally Posted by cacibi

Does this require routing of the pickup cavity to accommodate the re-positioned baseplate?

yes, you will have to do some additional routing to get the pickup to sit in there at 90 degrees, instead of 73 degrees.

I would expect that the Reverend gets a cut, wouldn't you?

Dale also has a Titanium Tele plate, which is also very intriguing and new. I coulda got one the other day, but I got 2 of the Chimemasters instead. I know how incredible those are.

[RothnRoll]

no saddles and it is still 250?!!!

[kb1rcefn]

Originally Posted by RothnRoll

no saddles and it is still 250?!!!

Yeah!!! - What am I missing here???? This must some "special" bridge plate!!! I don't get it - ??

[getbent]

I've been avoiding this thread all day.... fear of gas...

but, upon looking, YAAAAYYYY it is nothing I would want! Yippeee!

oh crap, there's a bunch of other stuff I want on that site...

[robt57]

How much would Vince get for that, considering it looks like his design pretty much. $250.00, you gotta be sheitin me, add 65.00 for their saddles. I can build a whole nice Tele for just that amount, and with decent pickups even. ;)


Taipan get $60ish for the 1/2 bridge and should have the full one ready to sell soon according to the web site.

I'll take Vins plate for 90.00 [guessing] way before 250.00 any day of the week.

There that ought cure a little GAS for all 'ya'll. ;)

Just my opinion I have no affiliation or interest with Taipan Tone Engineering

[Ronkirn]

I'd like to do a blind test with a "plain old" tele bridge with the SD lil 59 and The Glendale bridge with the lil 59.... I'm bettin' few, if any could tell the difference.

rk

[vanguard]

man, this is insane! the man makes some beautiful knobs, but i just don't get that price at all?!?

[viking]

No thanks...

[teleyouk]

Just curious : why they call it "the strate plate"?

[robt57]

Originally Posted by teleyouk

Just curious : why they call it "the strate plate"?

Being machined, it is perfectly flat/straight, maybe, More likely you would never spend that much on it if you were strate, as in sober ??


This is a perfect example of why I would never NEVER own or buy a product from there. Anyone that feels milking folks several 100s of percent over a healthy profit margin not only will never see my money, but will never have my respect on any level.

But Taipan should like it, cause he can make it just as well for a reasonable profit and not take customers for as much as a market would bear. Screw them I say, I probably made my position fairly clear.

[Big John]

Originally Posted by teleyouk

Just curious : why they call it "the strate plate"?

Because the pick-up is 'straight' in the bridge plate and not slanted.

[Lostheart]

Wow..and I thought his regular bridges were overpriced at 100 bucks, but this is just ridiculous!
But that's just MHO...

[robt57]

Originally Posted by Big John

Because the pick-up is 'straight' in the bridge plate and not slanted.

Show how quickly I closed the page, I;d still have to be drunk. ;)

I do wonder what the pole spacing issues are, or do you just buy a custom pickup for another $149.00.

I am going to go play my Stellar sounding Pine Caster I made with the Stainless Steel Bud Beer Keg Bridge plate I made.

[Ronkirn]

It still fascinates me how some will take Leo’s marvelously simple design and complicate it with esoterica, whatever happened to “less is more”?

Don’t misunderstand, Glendale makes some superb components, and there are those that would rather drive a Ferrari instead of a Ford pickup. But often the Ford is far more useful then the Ferrari, plus you can have 10 of ‘em for what Enzo’s rocket would cost.

In a free market economy the seller is free to charge what they would like, and, of course, you are free to say, Nah… I don’t think so. But at over 300 bux for a bridge, (Plate + saddles = bridge) I’m betting there’s gonna be a price reduction . . . . soon.

If ya’ll really want a great sounding guitar, without throwing buckets of cash at novel ideas, do your homework. Buying something someone SAYS will improve your tone is a fool’s journey. That’s exactly how the junk science relative to one piece bodies, nitrocellulose lacquer, only vintage style pickups, etc, etc etc, get propagated.

If you really want to know, as opposed to simply following the mindless crowd, begin your education here….

http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/Al...ickupology.htm



Ron Kirn

[robt57]

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

In a free market economy the seller is free to charge what they would like, and, of course, you are free to say, Nah… I don’t think so.

And I am also free to say what I said. And free to rant about my opinion of the ridicules nature of such product platforms. I tend to
just yell Nah!, and preach the ridicules nature out loud, did ya'll notice ??


I have a box of Fender Bridge Plates and inexpensive RS Guitar works saddles. When folks visit and hear my builds and bring their guitar the same or next day for me to install 19.00 worth of parts which most closely resemble the actual parts and resulting tone Leo created... the tone we have been hearing for decades in our fav music. Well it is good enough for the countless artists across those decades and good enough for me. Now my experiments on my own stuff is a different story.

I should apologize [and do] for the rant, but with all these 'goings ons' financially in our lives, the excess aspect seems to get me going more of late.

I say Denozo slap yourself, buy the 19.00 parts, go the actual Leo path, then donate the difference to a cause beyond this, like *.*.


Ciao

[bandeapart]

Do you think there is one single person that has purchased that bridge yet for that price? Realistically, I wonder if they've sold ONE.

[Momotoro]

Oh, he will sell them. Many members here will buy them, and the product will be well-made and not hurt their tone. Dale makes good stuff. But the variations and assertions are getting numerous as the price gets higher.

The better deal he has going is the fully finished neck with tuners and nut installed.

[rhinocaster]

I love Dale's stuff and have no problem with the pricing.

Thank god I don't want that plate though.

[nasonm]

I think the design is cool and different, but it's not for me. As for the price, if you don't want to spend that much, don't buy it.

Vintique was always wicked pricy but people still went there for parts.

It takes all kinds.

[axmaker]

.......well at least the t-shirts are only $20....

[stephent2]

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

That’s exactly how the junk science relative to one piece bodies, nitrocellulose lacquer, only vintage style pickups, etc, etc etc, get propagated.

If you really want to know, as opposed to simply following the mindless crowd, begin your education here….

http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/Al...ickupology.htm

Ron Kirn

With all due respect, do you really believe that BL is the beginning and end of the tone discussion? If so, then I'd NEVER see a used BL pickup OR a Swampcaster guitar for sale, they'd be so rare, the market place would have gobbled them up and Keystones would be on all Redd's guitars.

If it's a definitive choice between BL and THE MINDLESS CROWD (gee thanks Ron) I'll go Mindless Crowd, (and add a little nitrocellulose lacquer).

[Ronkirn]

If it's a definitive choice between BL and THE MINDLESS CROWD

I didn't mean to suggest that Bill was the definitive authority... note the words "begin your education”.. Bill publishes some of his considerable knowledge on his site, and beginning with a bit of valid objective information cannot be a bad thing.

Whatever choice made will typically be subjective, just like some want the Bimmer, and some want the F-250. Which is the best “ride”.

The Keystones would NEVER be in Redd’s guitars if Redd didn’t like them, and like Bill, Redd is not the definitive authority on a subjective topic either. But if you wanna know a bit about picking a guitar, Redd’s input would be invaluable in helping you decide which way you want to go. Similarly, if you are embroiled in the “tone quest”, being able to pick the mind of the guy that is responsible for about every pickup innovation over the past 60 years, couldn’t hurt. You can be assured Bills pickups are on a number of other guitarists every bit as talented as Redd. That doesn’t diminish Red in the least, nor does it elevate those using Bill’s products above Redd, It just reflects choices made by talented guitarists.

If it's a definitive choice between applied science and THE MINDLESS CROWD… well… y’all know me….

Ron Kirn

[Big John]

Originally Posted by robt57

And I am also free to say what I said. And free to rant about my opinion of the ridicules nature of such product platforms. I tend to
just yell Nah!, and preach the ridicules nature out loud, did ya'll notice ??

Yes, and more power to ya !!, of course it's a case of just saying "no" but at times you can't beat a good rant, just wait robt57, soon we will be reading about the folks who did buy one and now have far superior tone than you or I !!

[stephent2]

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

If it's a definitive choice between applied science and THE MINDLESS CROWD… well… y’all know me….

Ron Kirn

"applied science" is the reason we never let the recording engineer do the mix.

[Ronkirn]

"applied science" is the reason we never let the recording engineer do the mix.

Oooo Good point.. . . .

Ron

[boris bubbanov]

Originally Posted by robt57

This is a perfect example of why I would never NEVER own or buy a product from there. Anyone that feels milking folks several 100s of percent over a healthy profit margin not only will never see my money, but will never have my respect on any level.

Now, just a minute. Dale is pouring the money back into developing new products. I mean, he has to eat, and sometimes the transmission on the truck has to be serviced, but he's not yachting on the Mediterranean, he's coming up with new and amazing ideas to make our guitars sound and look cool.

To the extent I can do it, I'm gonna buy things from guys like Dale, Bill, Tommy and Bill - because frankly a complete and ready to play Chinese made Tele clone is NOT gonna keep this forum alive and vibrant. You cannot let these guys die on the vine, because everybody talking about Peyton Manning or about the Devil Rays whilst all playing exactly the same guitar is ...... well, I'd rather take a nap.

I'll buy one of those truncated plates from Taipantone, but I wish it were, like the guitar designs, more feminine looking - too many sharp edges. And once I have the means to rout out the backs on some of these bodies, I will want some ferrule blocks, too. But Glendale has the stuff that goes right on my existing guitars right now and makes - bam - immediate improvement.

[Ronkirn]

Ahhh . . . . You Tigers......

rk

[stephent2]

Originally Posted by boris bubbanov

To the extent I can do it, I'm gonna buy things from guys like Dale, Bill, Tommy and Bill - because frankly a complete and ready to play Chinese made Tele clone is NOT gonna keep this forum alive and vibrant.

Well said. I know the $250 bridge plate isn't for me, but I buy Dale's stuff whenever I can. Same with Vince from Taipantone, I've bought some hardware, a couple 1/2 bridges and a body from him. I'm a fan of small builders making useful and well designed products.

[newtwanger]

If you are in a position to afford and justify a $3000-$10000 Fender CS guitar, you can certainly throw one of thes plates in your $1000 (now $1250) premium build partscaster.
I think Dale does a hell of a job and "if" this was the kind of plate that floats my boat (I think I'm too "vintage") I'd certainly throw some hard earned coin at him.
But as with everything, do what makes sense to you and you'll be happy.

[robt57]

Originally Posted by newtwanger

If you are in a position to afford and justify a $3000-$10000

I am just a poor boy though my story's seldom told...

[Deacon Blue]

Here 'tis in the flesh....

http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars....s%20Guitar.gif

YMMV.

Jeff

[marty h]

i have Glendale Tele 34 and all his bridge plates and saddles on all my teles.the best in
my opinoin.

[B Valley]

I can't afford that kind of money for a bridge, fer chrisakes. And is it really going to make that much difference?
I try to limit my guitar and parts budget to what I make selling old equipment on Ebay. So that's where I tend to do most of my parts shopping. I came across this, so I ordered one: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Wilkinson-Te...d=p3286.c0.m14

[robt57]

Originally Posted by stephent2

With all due respect, do you really believe that BL is the beginning and end of the tone discussion?

I took it only as a beginning for the sake of how it might relate. ;)

[robt57]

Originally Posted by marty h

i have Glendale Tele 34 and all his bridge plates and saddles on all my teles.the best in
my opinoin.

Help me here if you do not mind. How is/are these 'best' as compared to my Fender Vintage Bridge set up with brass compensated saddles with the aluminum E/A which is my personal preference. What exactly is better? Assuming that my preferred setup is not best, and the Glendale is, that would make it better than what it emulates/copies/replaces if I read you right. So what is better or improved about the product it in you opinion / prospective??

Love to see a pic of # 34 BTW.

[stephent2]

Originally Posted by robt57

I took it only as a beginning for the sake of how it might relate. ;)

Yeah, I was hard pressed to see how it did relate. Bill is a lovely, opinionated guy. It's really his opinions that relate to this thread, not his PU designs.

"Countless, different variations of the two basic pickup models are available, promising all kinds of sound and output with the most beautiful advertising slogans, like "special, hand scatterwound with aged magnets and an output of 5.9 kilo ohms to give you an authentic vintage sound. I promise, you will NEVER find such unbelievable nonsense in my writings!"

That attitude that dismisses a whole wide range of other PU builders appears to me the only idea that relates to this thread. "If I (or Leo) didn't design it, it's nonsense". So, with that same attitude that diminishes the value of other's works, we can dismiss a $250 bridge plate as "bling" or the purchase of a fool.