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Old January 9th, 2009, 06:50 AM   #81 (permalink)
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It looks like it's the same. I would really like to find out whether or not it actually is. If so, I'll be putting that into my Andy Summers Telecopy and it'll be completed.
do you reckon it would be very expensive to get someone to professionally cut into my tele and install this for me? i have no idea about mods but i'm trying to get an andy tele together.... i'm in australia and will obviously have to ring around here but thought i would ask.

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do you reckon it would be very expensive to get someone to professionally cut into my tele and install this for me? i have no idea about mods but i'm trying to get an andy tele together.... i'm in australia and will obviously have to ring around here but thought i would ask.
To be honest, that's going to be tough to get done. I searched high and low before I came to the consensus that in order for it to be done properly, you'll need to find someone who will start from scratch on a guitar blank and route and cut it properly. The majority of builders or repair shops with CNC machines (which is what you'll need for the route to look right) won't work on an existing guitar without paying them a large amount of money.

Among the excuses I received were:

1. "We're very busy right now, check back in three months." Yeah right, if my money isn't green enough for you now, it most certainly won't be in three months.
2. "What's a CNC machine?" - I hung up.
3. "Oh, we don't handle projects like that." - Yeah, like I could expect anything more from Scam Ass Music.

I could go on, but you get the point. It sucks, but look on the bright side: at least it'll be done right and you'll have a fully-custom one-off. Best of luck!
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FWIW, I've decided to do the cavities myself for my Summerscaster. A friend at work has a drill press at his place and I'll be heading up there next weekend armed with a selection of Forstner bits and a drilling plan. I've done a whole lot of planning, drawing paper templates, thinking about how to go about it, etc and now it's time to get it done.

My plan is to start by drilling 2 small diameter pilot holes through the body, which will correspond with the switch and gain pot, then flip the body and uses these holes to layout where the pre-amp and battery cavities will go. The forstner bits will give me a rough shape, which I will finish by hand with plenty of sanding.

I know I could / should use a router and a polycarbonate template, but I like a challenge. Wish me luck...
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FWIW, I've decided to do the cavities myself for my Summerscaster. A friend at work has a drill press at his place and I'll be heading up there next weekend armed with a selection of Forstner bits and a drilling plan. I've done a whole lot of planning, drawing paper templates, thinking about how to go about it, etc and now it's time to get it done.

My plan is to start by drilling 2 small diameter pilot holes through the body, which will correspond with the switch and gain pot, then flip the body and uses these holes to layout where the pre-amp and battery cavities will go. The forstner bits will give me a rough shape, which I will finish by hand with plenty of sanding.

I know I could / should use a router and a polycarbonate template, but I like a challenge. Wish me luck...
Good luck! :) We must share pics of our Summerscasters when they're done. Mine will probably be April, depending on how long it takes to get the neck and body manufactured.
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Old January 9th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #85 (permalink)
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thanks for the info mrmorrison. now, i just got a reply back from darren riley re: the kits at http://www.darrenriley.com/shop/cart..._detail&p=1219 (i asked if an AS kit would be available) and he informed me not only that AS ones aren't at this stage (but suggested i ask fender) but that the clapton ones (as per link above) have been discontinued!! is it going to be a nightmare to get the AS pre amp right...?
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Back during the Summer my wife brings home this t-shirt for our two-year-old. There are a lot of guitar or rock'n'roll themed kids' clothes out there, but my wife was obviously proud that she found something with a telecaster on it. So she shows it to me and says, "Do I get Cool Mom cred, or what?"

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"Nope", I reply. "You get Coolest Mom cred. That's not just any Telecaster."

"What? You recognize it?"

I ran upstairs and grabbed my copy of One Train Later and showed her the back cover. "Check out the neck humbucker, the extra switches...the broken bridgeplate."

"Wow!" she said, laughing. "I'm cooler than I knew."

I eventually told her that it probably wasn't really Andy's guitar -- just the $10K Fender repro, but I think she still gets all kinds of cool points for recognizing a bad-ass tele when she sees one.

(After some digging online it looks like the photo in the t-shirt was just taken from Fender's promo photos -- or at least the same photo session. And if you're reading this thread and haven't read One Train Later yet, do yourself a favor and pick up a copy immediately. It's really great.)

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+1 on One Train Later.

I got myself the last copy from Amazon a few months back for $4.95, and gave it to myself for Christmas. A very interesting read indeed.
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Back during the Summer my wife brings home this t-shirt for our two-year-old. There are a lot of guitar or rock'n'roll themed kids' clothes out there, but my wife was obviously proud that she found something with a telecaster on it. So she shows it to me and says, "Do I get Cool Mom cred, or what?"

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"Nope", I reply. "You get Coolest Mom cred. That's not just any Telecaster."

"What? You recognize it?"

I ran upstairs and grabbed my copy of One Train Later and showed her the back cover. "Check out the neck humbucker and the extra switches."

"Wow!" she said, laughing. "I'm cooler than I knew."

I eventually told her that it probably wasn't really Andy's guitar -- just the $10K Fender repro, but I think she still gets all kinds of cool points for recognizing a bad-ass tele when she sees one.

(After some digging online it looks like the photo in the t-shirt was just taken from Fender's promo photos -- or at least the same photo session. And if you're reading this thread and haven't read One Train Later yet, do yourself a favor and pick up a copy immediately. It's really great.)
Holy cr@p...I want one of those shirts...

+1000 on One Train Later..I thought that was one of the best musical biographies I've ever read. Not just because Andy is my favorite Tele player, but because he has a rich history of playing with and run ins with some of the best in the game!!
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HAHAH!! Not quite :)
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any help would be appreciated:
i just got a reply back from darren riley re: the kits at http://www.darrenriley.com/shop/cart..._detail&p=1219 (i asked if an AS kit would be available) and he informed me not only that AS ones aren't at this stage (but suggested i ask fender) but that the clapton ones (as per link above) have been discontinued!! is it going to be a nightmare to get the AS pre amp right...? any tips...?
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any help would be appreciated:
i just got a reply back from darren riley re: the kits at http://www.darrenriley.com/shop/cart..._detail&p=1219 (i asked if an AS kit would be available) and he informed me not only that AS ones aren't at this stage (but suggested i ask fender) but that the clapton ones (as per link above) have been discontinued!! is it going to be a nightmare to get the AS pre amp right...? any tips...?
tj7, you're in Australia right? Billy Hyde is advertising these for $165 if you're interested...

...or there's always E-bay
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A quick search of E-bay came up with this nice close up of the Clapton circuit for all you interested...

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The white bits are ceramic capacitors
The yellow bits are electrolytic capacitors
The green and brown bits look like film capacitors
The banded blue bits are 1/4w resistors
The banded brown bits are 1/2w resistors
The black bits are transistors...

I might do a bit more investigating later and come up with some values for the components...
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I'm not going to spend $10k on the Andy Summers tribute anytime soon but I would be interested in building my own version...maybe using a Squire. Its not the brass saddles/bridge I wish to replicate, rather I'd like to build the electronics that Andy's tributre sported (note I don't say his guitar sported becuase he disabled the micro switches in later years). Anyone done this or have some info that could get me moving in the right direction?

Have i missed something? why would these be so much money? dam !
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'cos it's Fender Custom Shop...
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Cheers....is that it? dam you could go find a genuine oldie for that....
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Hmmm... I don't think so. There is only ONE "genuine oldie" Andy Summers telecaster, and he still owns it. Sort of like there is only one Blackie or Brownie or Micawber.

The $10,000 price tag for a AS Tribute doesn't help. I think that and the fact there is only one is part of the reason why a few of us here are building replicas.
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Here's one built by Telegeir and is the best looking one I've seen yet.
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Hmmm... I don't think so. There is only ONE "genuine oldie" Andy Summers telecaster, and he still owns it. Sort of like there is only one Blackie or Brownie or Micawber.

The $10,000 price tag for a AS Tribute doesn't help. I think that and the fact there is only one is part of the reason why a few of us here are building replicas.
Yeah i actually meant an older tele...i.e. any tele...not an any summers.....thats one hell of a price tag tho...
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Here's one built by Telegeir and is the best looking one I've seen yet.
That looks great...would love to gig that tomorrow night
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I'm making mine to the precise specs as the CS model, but without it being reliced. I can put my own dents and scratches in it, thank you very much!

tj7, I heard from Darren Riley today and he said he'll have 3 more Clapton preamps in stock soon. So order today if you want them, before they're gone!
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Kind of enjoying mine at this stage of the build.... not sure I'll take it any further.




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I'm making mine to the precise specs as the CS model, but without it being reliced. I can put my own dents and scratches in it, thank you very much!

tj7, I heard from Darren Riley today and he said he'll have 3 more Clapton preamps in stock soon. So order today if you want them, before they're gone!
thanks. i can get them here in australia too, as it turns out -
yeah, it's close but not the same circuit, so what i'm trying to learn is how can it be faithfully / effectively reproduced? is it worth buying the EC one and getting it modified? if so, is that easy to do? i know nothing about guitar electronics....
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thanks. i can get them here in australia too, as it turns out -
yeah, it's close but not the same circuit, so what i'm trying to learn is how can it be faithfully / effectively reproduced? is it worth buying the EC one and getting it modified? if so, is that easy to do? i know nothing about guitar electronics....
Anything is easy with enough practice, just look at guitar playing for example...

Assuming that the circuits are similar, you'd need a high resolution photo of both sides of both the Clapton circuit and the Summers circuit and work out what is the same and what is different, and go from there.

I guess the next question is, "Do you want to do the modification yourself, or get someone to do it for you?" If you want to do it yourself I suggest you get some experience with soldering and working with printed circuit boards. If you are going to get someone else to do it, I expect it might cost you a little bit of money.

Speaking of money, and assuming once again that you had hi-res photos of both circuits, it would definately be cheaper to build you own circuit from scratch. Electronic components are cheap!
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well, the advice was basically to 1. get more info (i need pics - i've PM's 'torsten' who has an AS tele) and 2. to decide whether or not i want to install myself or get a pro to do it. i can't do it myself. i'll happily get a pro to do it for me but i need the correct preamp config obviously - seems a few people here are seeking the correct specs for the AS pre amp...
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If you manage to get some pics from Torsten, don't forget to share them around, or ask him to post them here...
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well, the advice was basically to 1. get more info (i need pics - i've PM's 'torsten' who has an AS tele) and 2. to decide whether or not i want to install myself or get a pro to do it. i can't do it myself. i'll happily get a pro to do it for me but i need the correct preamp config obviously - seems a few people here are seeking the correct specs for the AS pre amp...
You and I are in the same place. I'm trying to figure out the differences as well. I asked Darren Riley (since he has an AAS in Electronic Engineering), and he called Fender. He was told that there are no differences in the 2 boards, only differences in the controls. But I don't buy that for a second, because Fender also told me that it's "not even close to the Clapton, Andy uses a preamp for overdrive its not a mid boost."

So, Fender's talking out both sides of its mouth. I could completely understand if they were doing so because they were selling an AS model on a regular basis, but they only made 250.

Anyhow, my whole point is that once one of us gets the specs, it'll be out there. If I get them, I will be sure to share them with the board, you can guarantee it!
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I don't blame you. that's a beauty for sure. I love a bound sunburst tele more than just about any other guitar, which is a major reason why I like AS's guitar so much. Add to that the preamp and phase switch and the guitar is very versatile. I'm having a blast playing mine too.

btw, I know some of you guys want to build one as close to the fender version as possible, but if anyone wants a simple boost that gets the job done, check out the Stratoblaster at general guitar gadgets. It's real easy and inexpensive to build, has one pot for control just like Andy's, and is very small too. From what I heard on the YouTube video of the Custom Shop guy playing the AS model, the stratoblaster does everything very close to his sound.

I have a drawing of the entire wiring setup of pups, stratoblaster, phase switch etc. if anyone thinks they might want to go with my setup.

Good luck to everyone on your builds.
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I just got my Seymour Duncan custom shop HB and SC pups today! They're to Andy's specs. Next week, I'm ordering the body and neck. I'm very excited!
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Update: I ordered the neck from Musikraft (Tadeo taper, heavily rolled fingerboard, etc.) and a one-piece alder blank from North Ridge Hardwoods in Washington. I'll be placing an order with Terrapin for the custom pickguard later today. Things are starting to come together.
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This week, I received:
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As soon as I get the mini-toggle switches and battery box, I'm sending everything to Guitar Mill for Mario to build the thing. So, that should be next Friday. One week and counting...
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As of today Capsule music in Toronto has an Andy Summers-esque Tele on their website.

I might pop by tomorrow and ogle it in person.

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I think these Alembic Sratoblaster layouts would do okay for the pre-amp if you're on a budget:
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Should be cheap to build (less than $10), small enough and would certainly provide enough OD/boost to emulate Summers' Tele sounds.
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I think these Alembic Sratoblaster layouts would do okay for the pre-amp if you're on a budget:
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Should be cheap to build (less than $10), small enough and would certainly provide enough OD/boost to emulate Summers' Tele sounds.
Of course someone sends me the spec for the Stratoblaster after I've purchased everything. My luck sometimes really sucks. But thank you, I do appreciate it!
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Of course someone sends me the spec for the Stratoblaster after I've purchased everything. My luck sometimes really sucks. But thank you, I do appreciate it!
Sorry man - I only joined the forum recently. Maybe you can use it on another project, or if you don't like what you've bought. Hope your build goes well.
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Old February 26th, 2009, 03:00 PM   #118 (permalink)
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Sorry man - I only joined the forum recently. Maybe you can use it on another project, or if you don't like what you've bought. Hope your build goes well.
No problem! I'm happy because I'll just put the stratoblaster into my Hendrix Strat that I'll be building next.
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Ok, I got my neck from Musikraft and everything looks amazing, except that the skunk stripe is kind of light. I guess it may have been a lighter grade of walnut. Regardless, if you want a great neck, go with them.

The body should be done in about 4-6 weeks. I'll take pics of everything before I send it off to get assembled and wired (because the wiring is pretty in depth).
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Old April 1st, 2009, 09:06 AM   #120 (permalink)
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just got a reply from torsten at last (he owns an 'official' fender andy summers tele) - i quote: "The peamp in my AS-tele is indentical to that in the clapton strat :-) It's simple.".....
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