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trojan_whores · September 21st, 2008, 01:09 AM

WOW! just WOW!

scubadoo · September 21st, 2008, 05:40 AM

So are you drilling/routing the ferrules after the body is finished, doesn't it chip the lacquer?

Looking great Ron.

Ronkirn · September 21st, 2008, 09:06 AM

nope.... no chipping......

rk

scubadoo · September 21st, 2008, 09:28 AM

Why do you do them after? Or should I say why does every other build I've seen here do them first? I had a problem with my first build because too much lacquer had built up in the holes and I couldn't get the ferrules in, i tried to drill them but they chipped slightly.

I can certainly seeing the advantage as I would imagine that the ferrule just pops in.

Once again, I'm very impressed.

Ronkirn · September 21st, 2008, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Why do you do them after?

I get a much neater installation.

rk

Ronkirn · September 21st, 2008, 08:18 PM

Moving right along..... today was to be the finale... but when I opened the box "o parts, I see the wrong pots.... but I did get close....

installing the Fralin P 90's couldn't be easier.... a bit of firm foam beneath, and run in the two mounting screws..

Once that’s done.. I address the neck pocket…. I always make ‘em tight, so each has to be hand fit at this stage. I begin by removing the lacquer buildup along the edges with a small sanding block.

once that’s done… I shape the corners for a tight fit…. This is before…

I Dremel it into submission..

RK

Ronkirn · September 21st, 2008, 08:23 PM

This is the fit after a bit of work..

Now on to the bridge…. I use a 48” rule to indicate the path of the strings, this way there are no surprises when I string ‘er up.. It lines up perfectly with the neck and the string-through holes..

run the mounting screws in and here it is at this stage..

rk

Ronkirn · September 21st, 2008, 08:26 PM

Now… I do this…..

and check these. . .

then place the Pickguard in position.

Pant. . . pant…. This thing’s lookin’ good…..

I mount the hardware and run in the pickguard screws…Tuesday the correct pots will be here and I’ll be finishing ‘er up.. in the mean time….

Ron Kirn

maestrovert · September 21st, 2008, 08:37 PM

Man, that's lookin' tasty !

Stuco · September 21st, 2008, 08:49 PM

Very nice work Ron.

telechaser · September 21st, 2008, 10:30 PM

Buckocaster51 · September 21st, 2008, 11:38 PM

Hubba hubba!

I am disappointed though that you are not installing the wiring through the f-holes.

scubadoo · September 22nd, 2008, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckocaster51

Hubba hubba!

I am disappointed though that you are not installing the wiring through the f-holes.

Don't joke, I've got to do that on my thinline build

It's looking gorgeous Ron.

I never realised that was how P90's were mounted.

soundhound6 · September 22nd, 2008, 02:27 PM

Very nice work Ron.I'd love to hear them P-90's in action.

Jan

Ronkirn · September 22nd, 2008, 05:48 PM

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wiring through the f-holes.

Aww shoot!... Nuthin' to it..... now if ya wannit to work too. . . . now you're getting complicated....

rk

scubadoo · September 22nd, 2008, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

Aww shoot!... Nuthin' to it..... now if ya wannit to work too. . . . now you're getting complicated....

rk

You're scaring me now Ron

, I have this to wire up without rear acces.

Any advice? (other than telling me to cut a hoole in the back

)

telefunk · September 23rd, 2008, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scubadoo

Any advice? (other than telling me to cut a hoole in the back

)

A 5 year course in Gynaecology may be in order.

Ronkirn · September 23rd, 2008, 09:59 AM

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I have this to wire up without rear access.

If ya think wiring it without a rear access is hard, wait till ya try to get those Pots in there...

You will have to have a rear access, no getting around it.

Ron Kirn

jwells393 · September 23rd, 2008, 10:15 AM

You win the prize Ron ..............This is the best build thread ever.

scubadoo · September 23rd, 2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

You will have to have a rear access, no getting around it.

Ron Kirn

That sounds like a challenge

Nope, I refuse to give in

. I've tested with some Alpha mini pots using a wire cradle/holder and I can get them in and up through the holes. I also can get a horizontal 3-way switch in. Wether or not I can do it when everything is connected is another matter but I'm gonna give it a bloody good go. Stubborn Brit that I am.

If I have to give in, which i won't

how do you make the template for the access plate a perfect fit for the access hole template? Is it just a case of sand it, test it, sand some more? Or is there a clever trick to get a kind of negative template?

Cheers
dave

by the way Ron, I love the way that the pen line on the binding came out!

Vizcaster · September 24th, 2008, 09:54 AM

Scubs, good luck with stuffing those controls through the f-holes - with mini pots it might be easier like you said. If I recall correctly, part of the solution used by Gibson on their Supreme, which has no rear access plate, was to use an over-sized rectangular jack plate so they could fish the pots in from there (the other part of the equation was that the pickup routs opened up into the body chambers). I noticed on my ES-339 that they used the exposed-braid coax wire tacked to the backs of the pots with one wire running in a circle connecting all the pots. This tied them together and holds them roughly in position so they'd want to go back where they should be after you stuff them in the f-hole. When fishing controls into a hollowbody Gretsch, I used mini pots and a small strip of brass connecting the two pots (like a mini control plate only on the inside) to hold them together at the right spacing as I fished them inside. Oh, and lots of dental floss or fishing line and a pair of slender Kelly clamps.

Ron, anything unusual about the pots you're waiting for? full-pass? blender? dual ganged? unobtanium alloy?

Ronkirn · September 24th, 2008, 12:03 PM

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anything unusual about the pots

Nah,, just on order.... I ordered from WD because they get stuff here in one day.,.. I ordered dome From Allparts but that takes 5 days...

rk

Ronkirn · September 25th, 2008, 10:56 PM

As I creep forward at light speed, (it's a black light),, the pots came in so now I'm trying a few different wiring schematics looking for a specific sound.

Ron Kirn

Flat357 · September 26th, 2008, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scubadoo

You're scaring me now Ron

, I have this to wire up without rear acces.

Any advice? (other than telling me to cut a hoole in the back

)

Prewire and pull into position with sewing cotton .

scubadoo · September 26th, 2008, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flat357

Prewire and pull into position with sewing cotton .

I thought I'd be able to do it but not I'm thinking that the capacitor between the two pots may stop me getting them in. Are there any wiring schematics where the cap doesn't go from pot to pot?

Guitar's looking sweet Ron, I really like those white speed knobs.

Is that top Sycamore?

Ronkirn · September 26th, 2008, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Is that top Sycamore?

Nope... Flame Maple...

rk

scubadoo · September 26th, 2008, 08:41 AM

The grain pattern that runs along the board is lovely. Who's the lucky owner?

Ronkirn · September 26th, 2008, 11:57 PM

well all things come to an end....

I got 'er wired up.... still has an issue to two... humm... but I cant figure out if it's due to the 1949 circuit, or ??? But I'll get that worked out and send 'er on her way.....

She has the classic Jazz tone expected from a 60 year Archtop, but pull the tone knob, reverse the middle pup and is has the nasal sound Gerry was lookin' for....

Been an hoot....

Ron Kirn

numeric · September 27th, 2008, 12:33 AM

Oh c'mon Ron, we need more! (pics I mean!)

Ronkirn · September 27th, 2008, 12:42 AM

I'll do some real shots tomorrow... I just finished 'er tonight.

rk

RichardWitt · September 27th, 2008, 06:36 AM

Beautiful work as always Ron!

That's a real looker!

scubadoo · September 27th, 2008, 07:25 AM

Looks fantastic Ron. What are the options on the pickup selector?

Ronkirn · September 27th, 2008, 09:49 AM

There is no pickup selector... the electronics are from the original 1949 Gibson ES-5.

The three by the F hole are separate volume controls, one for each pup. The forward knob is a tone control, but I added a push pull to reverse phase, to give a nasal tone when engaged.

rk

numeric · September 27th, 2008, 11:36 AM

It's just, so... coool.

9-Pin-Phoenix · September 27th, 2008, 12:48 PM

That's beautiful.

Can't wait for more pics.

scubadoo · September 27th, 2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

There is no pickup selector... the electronics are from the original 1949 Gibson ES-5.

The three by the F hole are separate volume controls, one for each pup. The forward knob is a tone control, but I added a push pull to reverse phase, to give a nasal tone when engaged.

rk

Ah, I see, I'd wondered if the forward knob was a rotary selector.

Fortsbest · September 27th, 2008, 09:54 PM

Ron, is this one a keeper or is it a special build for some luckey person?

Fortsbest · September 27th, 2008, 09:55 PM

Ron, is this one a keeper or is it a special build for some lucky person?

telechaser · September 27th, 2008, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

There is no pickup selector... the electronics are from the original 1949 Gibson ES-5.

The three by the F hole are separate volume controls, one for each pup. The forward knob is a tone control, but I added a push pull to reverse phase, to give a nasal tone when engaged.

rk

Sounds similar to the controls of a Bass guitar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronkirn

She has the classic Jazz tone expected from a 60 year Archtop, but pull the tone knob, reverse the middle pup and is has the nasal sound Gerry was lookin' for....

Jazz tone...hmmm... sounds yummy. Hopefully we can have some soundclips from this beauty.

Is Gerry gonna be the new owner? What a lucky guy!

Ronkirn · September 30th, 2008, 07:08 PM

She's done.... here is the finale'

rk

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Ronkirn VENDOR Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 63 Posts: 3,884	Moving right along..... today was to be the finale... but when I opened the box "o parts, I see the wrong pots.... but I did get close.... installing the Fralin P 90's couldn't be easier.... a bit of firm foam beneath, and run in the two mounting screws.. Once that’s done.. I address the neck pocket…. I always make ‘em tight, so each has to be hand fit at this stage. I begin by removing the lacquer buildup along the edges with a small sanding block. once that’s done… I shape the corners for a tight fit…. This is before… I Dremel it into submission.. RK __________________ "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain." "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself ." BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. www.ronkirn.com

September 21st, 2008, 08:23 PM	#127 (permalink)
Ronkirn VENDOR Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 63 Posts: 3,884	This is the fit after a bit of work.. Now on to the bridge…. I use a 48” rule to indicate the path of the strings, this way there are no surprises when I string ‘er up.. It lines up perfectly with the neck and the string-through holes.. run the mounting screws in and here it is at this stage.. rk __________________ "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain." "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself ." BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. www.ronkirn.com

September 21st, 2008, 08:26 PM	#128 (permalink)
Ronkirn VENDOR Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 63 Posts: 3,884	Now… I do this….. and check these. . . then place the Pickguard in position. Pant. . . pant…. This thing’s lookin’ good….. I mount the hardware and run in the pickguard screws…Tuesday the correct pots will be here and I’ll be finishing ‘er up.. in the mean time…. Ron Kirn __________________ "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain." "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself ." BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. www.ronkirn.com

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scubadoo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bristol, UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,464	So are you drilling/routing the ferrules after the body is finished, doesn't it chip the lacquer? Looking great Ron.

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scubadoo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bristol, UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,464	Why do you do them after? Or should I say why does every other build I've seen here do them first? I had a problem with my first build because too much lacquer had built up in the holes and I couldn't get the ferrules in, i tried to drill them but they chipped slightly. I can certainly seeing the advantage as I would imagine that the ferrule just pops in. Once again, I'm very impressed.

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Vizcaster Tele-Holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Glen Head, NY Posts: 869	Scubs, good luck with stuffing those controls through the f-holes - with mini pots it might be easier like you said. If I recall correctly, part of the solution used by Gibson on their Supreme, which has no rear access plate, was to use an over-sized rectangular jack plate so they could fish the pots in from there (the other part of the equation was that the pickup routs opened up into the body chambers). I noticed on my ES-339 that they used the exposed-braid coax wire tacked to the backs of the pots with one wire running in a circle connecting all the pots. This tied them together and holds them roughly in position so they'd want to go back where they should be after you stuff them in the f-hole. When fishing controls into a hollowbody Gretsch, I used mini pots and a small strip of brass connecting the two pots (like a mini control plate only on the inside) to hold them together at the right spacing as I fished them inside. Oh, and lots of dental floss or fishing line and a pair of slender Kelly clamps. Ron, anything unusual about the pots you're waiting for? full-pass? blender? dual ganged? unobtanium alloy? __________________ "Why don't you just make 10 louder, and make 10 be the top number, and make that a little louder?"

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Ronkirn VENDOR Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 63 Posts: 3,884	As I creep forward at light speed, (it's a black light),, the pots came in so now I'm trying a few different wiring schematics looking for a specific sound. Ron Kirn __________________ "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain." "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself ." BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. www.ronkirn.com

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scubadoo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bristol, UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,464	The grain pattern that runs along the board is lovely. Who's the lucky owner?

September 26th, 2008, 11:57 PM	#148 (permalink)
Ronkirn VENDOR Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 63 Posts: 3,884	well all things come to an end.... I got 'er wired up.... still has an issue to two... humm... but I cant figure out if it's due to the 1949 circuit, or ??? But I'll get that worked out and send 'er on her way..... She has the classic Jazz tone expected from a 60 year Archtop, but pull the tone knob, reverse the middle pup and is has the nasal sound Gerry was lookin' for.... Been an hoot.... Ron Kirn __________________ "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain." "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself ." BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. www.ronkirn.com

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Ronkirn VENDOR Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 63 Posts: 3,884	I'll do some real shots tomorrow... I just finished 'er tonight. rk __________________ "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain." "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself ." BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. www.ronkirn.com

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scubadoo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bristol, UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,464	Looks fantastic Ron. What are the options on the pickup selector?

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Ronkirn VENDOR Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 63 Posts: 3,884	There is no pickup selector... the electronics are from the original 1949 Gibson ES-5. The three by the F hole are separate volume controls, one for each pup. The forward knob is a tone control, but I added a push pull to reverse phase, to give a nasal tone when engaged. rk __________________ "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain." "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself ." BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. www.ronkirn.com

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Ronkirn VENDOR Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 63 Posts: 3,884	She's done.... here is the finale' rk __________________ "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain." "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself ." BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. www.ronkirn.com