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This Just In...Peter Green
the mercurial guitarist's website announced that he has
left The Splinter Group. They were about to begin a Tour of The United States. If anyone has any further information it would be greatly appreciated.
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Octomber in Athens..
he was in good shape but still nobody can tell.
Hope he is alright too cause he gave us some great moments in his show although he is not what he used to be. The band's official site claims that they can't contact with him yet. http://www.petergreen-splintergroup.co.uk/home.cfm
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I remember the last time he did that
Back when he was with Fleetwood Mac I was living in Dallas (born there) and he vanished and joined a ?Children of God? group that played at Turtle Creek Park on Sundays. They always wanted you to leave with them on the bus at the end of the day..........
Flashbacks?????? PB |
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He was being exploited by the Splinter Group!!!!
I went and saw Peter Green and the Splinter Group in November and although it was an enjoyable night, the show would have been a lot better had Nigel Watson turned his amp down so Peter could be heard.
I came away from the gig believing that Peter Green could survive without them but they could not survive without him. Without Peter they are a pub band, a good pub band but still just a pub band. I hope Peter is alright, and I suspect he is. I believe he just woke up and realised these people aren't my friends and they aren't acting in my best interests. Chris. |
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I believe he just woke up and realised these people aren't my friends and they aren't acting in my best interests.
What makes you say this? Not to be confrontational (as clearly there must be support for this), but it seems that here is a fellow, who but for the splinter group, has not made progress for a very long time...i have many of his post FM albums and onl a couple are real albums IMHO, and most tohers are a re-assembly of those two..... It might seem that he is among a group of musicians in which whatever he does is stellar, the group moves at a pace conducive to Peter, and certainly has been 'instrumental' in Peters re-emrgence into music..... I have the Robert Johnson splinter group albums, and have seen PG covered in several guitar mags from the UK all due to his work with the SG, doing material which is fmailar to PG, and which does not, IMHO, require any guitar wizardry (comparatively speaking) . I am a huge huge fan of PG, no qualifications, but, from the little i have read, as well as having seen him a year or so ago here in Colorado, he is a shadow of himself, and, might not have been an easy person to get along with professionally, for a variety of reasons, (all conjecture on my part of course based upon his history) ....so as a icon who is regaining visibility, as well as his status and chops, it would appear that running with a really good pub band might be a less stressful vehicle for PG...any further insight or info would be great. I am aware there are opportunists in the business but somehow from my admittedly limited info, this would surprise me, mostly because the splinter group is a showcase solely for PG, and, there is virtually no focus on the other band members....
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Steve,
In my opinion they were exploiting him. I have read just about every interview he has done since returing from the wilderness and I have seen him a few times with the Splinter Group over then last few years. I also own the Robert Johnson song book and the Hot Foot Powder albums as well as the live in Soho album. On the number of occasions I have seen the Splinter Group I have always walked away feeling that Peter was being exploited by the other members. The DVD polarised this view when I watched the interview on it. I hope that he is well and continues to work and perform. As I say this is my opinion I am entitled to it and you are entitled to yours. Chris. |
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I saw them in Buxton, England last year, and I'll tell you, without the BAND, Peter Green would have struggled.
I think he's a shadow of what he was, the band carried him totally. Nigel Watson did most of the solos, probably because Greeny didn't want to. He didn't speak between songs, not a word. Also, I met him after the gig, and he never uttered a word to anyone. Either he's still not with it, or he doesn't really give a ****. If he's genuinely ill though, I wish him well.
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In the Athens show...
I would argree that Nigel should back off his volume but I'm not convinced that Greeny could make the show without the SG.
His need for instrumentals and down low tunes was obvious and believe it or not what made me think about his condition was that he was playing with very long nails in his fretting hand. Noone can play with such nails in his left hand. I believe that Destiny Road - Time Traders - Hot Foot Powder - Splinter Group - Robert Johnson Songbook are great albums. We should all pay him some respect but also give some credit to the guys that made him come back and especially Nigel Watson. Anyway whenever he got taken away by the guitar thru the show he was amazing. One of the most talented that touched the strings of a guitar. Please hear again Double Trouble with John Mayall and you'll see what I mean.
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I too am of the mindset that Peter Green is being exploited by the guys in the Splinter Group. If you watch the DVD I think that the evidence is pretty clear that is the case. Frankly I felt really bad for Peter throughout the whole thing, because I got the feeling he was really uncomfortable and almost "frightened" to be in front of people.
Maybe this is a bad analogy, but it seems to me that Nigel Watson is parading Peter around like a "circus freak" and then acting as his care taker, it seems that he is doing this to promote his own agenda of the Splinter Group and his own reputation as a guitarist. On one hand I'm happy that Peter was out "playing" again, but it looks and sounds to me like its against his will and would rather be left alone. Sincerely I only want what Peter feels is best for himself. He's been a huge influence and inspiration to me, and really want him to just enjoy life, however he sees fit. :) |
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Completely agree
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and speaking of Gary Moore
Now that Peter is back it would be decent of Gary
to give him back his guitar. I think Gary's made enough of a name for himself that he really doesn't need Peter's guitar anymore but Just Maybe Peter Needs It Back huh Gary? as far as The Splinter Group goes I don't think he's going back....I think he's hooking up with Mayall. It's where he's "Peter Green" after all.
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hooking up with mayall..wow....wonder if Buddy Whittington has heard the news...I love PG, but comparing the present day abilities of the two...well Buddy is in his prime....
Chirs, thanks for your info..i had not seen the DVD and i never meant to infer youre not entitled to your opinion...I had in fact meant to disclose that i had very little info for my own....
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I knew you weren't infering anything......... Peter Green with John Mayall and the BluesBreakers now that would be worth seeing!!!!! Chris. |
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Hooking up with Mayall?
That would be hard to believe. Today, I don't think Peter could hold a candle to Whittington. While a lot of the recently recorded Splinter Group music is solid, they really aren't much more than a vehicle for showcasing a legend. I really like the original Hotfoot Powder CD - it's expressive and well crafted, but it doesn't come close to showcasinging the genius of Greene during the Mac days.
I had the opportunity to see Mayall (and Whittington) open for Peter and the Splinter Group a couple years ago. There was absolutely no recognition or mention of the other band by each of them - it was as if the other group didn't exist. At that point, Greene merely played fills and riffs, and at the end of the show when the band did a group bow, Greene had to have a nudge from Nigel to see what was going on. While it was a hoot seeing one of the great guitarist from the 60s, it was emotionally difficult watching Peter play. If Greene has progressed beyond what I saw a two years ago, he may be a solid band member. But what I saw was a pretty sad case study who was struggling. Mind you, I'm not trying to disparage Peter's efforts or to say that he was being exploited - I'm just reporting what I witnessed. But I would be very surprised if he were to play with Mayall again. If he did, it would be for the sake of nostalgia. In all, a pretty tragic example of what some excesses can do to a person. Dean
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Re: and speaking of Gary Moore
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I can't help about the shape I'm in I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin But don't ask me what I think of you I might not give the answer that you want me to Oh well Now, when I talked to God I knew he'd understand He said, Stick by my side and I'll be your guiding hand But don't ask me what I think of you I might not give the answer that you want me to Oh well
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met him and jammed with him
at a fest we both played at years back (about 6 years).
We were in same dressing room and hotel, so got chatting. At first he was "distant" and "vague", and when I asked him to autograph my Tele he declined: "I don't do that - superstitious reasons." Later, in hotel, got chatting again. He asked see my guitar (I was carrying it, to check out) and he was fascinated by B-bender. We went to his room and I gave him a 'lesson' (yes, really!!!!!) on using the bender. A very sureal experience, but lovely to see an old hero playing my guitar, just the 2 of us in his room. Nigel W came to collect him (NW seemed like a nice guy, by the way), so I started putting my guitar away: "Hey, do you want me to autograph that, still?" Well, yes!! So that was its first headstock autograph. It now has others from people I've gigged with/opened for, such as Bill Kirchen, Dave Alvin, Gurf Morlix and Jason Ringenberg. Anyway, when I met Peter Green he seemed charming and more lucid than he's made out to be, and while he's not what he was as a player he cen still pull out some moments that are great - he did "The Supernatural" at that fest and I had chills! |
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waiting for vindication
after reading everything above I am of the opinion that
Peter Green is about as crazy as a fox. He reminds me of many of the Rock Stars from the 1950's, knows he got ripped off for a LOT of money and will not show his hand until he finally does see the money and I for one don't blame him a bit. I do not buy into this "he's a shadow of what he once was" stuff. The only people I know of that lost anything in their playing were involved in automobile accidents and collisions resulting in head injuries. I'll say this right now and let it stand: when Peter Green decides "it's time" EVERYONE is going to know it, there will be no questions or arguments. The man wants his money and I'm pretty sure he's going to get what he wants. "The Splinter Group" is/was the "preseason" and if they didn't realize it then they surely do now, and I think they did a good thing helping him work steady. One day soon we're going to turn on our radios and go "who's that?!?....I have never lost the belief that this guy is the best of the best that came out of United Kingdom when it comes to The Blues.
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Well then
I saw him around 5-6 years ago and I was actually embarrased for the man. He could not play the most basic things and kept looking over at everyone as if to say....take over..quickly. I felt really sorry for him as he was obviously put on the road long before he was ready.
Stantheman, if you had heard what I heard that night I'm sure you would have felt as I did, he ain't never gonna come back. Every time I see or read about him now I feel bad about how he embarrased himself that night, the crowd didn't help by jeering and walking out.
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Scotland,
with sincerest respect, I don't believe that this man is
shattered. Down at some point but not out. Remember folks they almost put Seabiscuit down and they said "Red" Pollard would NEVER ride again and they both came back to win "the hundred grander", and that happened for real. Peter Green's the underdog, great, I'll take the underdog, I'll also join the lost cause. I remember a time when Bluesmen were booed off the stage with tears in their eyes in the 1970's, and they didn't quit. I stand by what I said above my friends. Peter Green is a Bluesman's Bluesman.
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