Paisley USA Custom Shop Masterbuilt Telecaster!

TerryOz · June 12th, 2008, 10:45 PM

I am real close to ordering a Masterbuilt Custom Shop Paisley Telecaster Reissue...Fender claim to have found a sheet of the original "Wallpaper" that they used back in '67 on James Burtons Telecaster and the ensuing run of guitars we have become so fond of...I need to be sure that their claim is true and that the Paisley pattern is exactly the same as they claim it is...Has anyone here had a chance to put a real one alongside one of the Custom shop versions yet? If it is just another "Alfoil" type knock off as per the Japanese guitars I'll pass...Anything to help me out here guys?
Thanks
Terry

Nick JD · June 12th, 2008, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryOz

I am real close to ordering a Masterbuilt Custom Shop Paisley Telecaster Reissue...Fender claim to have found a sheet of the original "Wallpaper" that they used back in '67 on James Burtons Telecaster and the ensuing run of guitars we have become so fond of...I need to be sure that their claim is true and that the Paisley pattern is exactly the same as they claim it is...Has anyone here had a chance to put a real one alongside one of the Custom shop versions yet? If it is just another "Alfoil" type knock off as per the Japanese guitars I'll pass...Anything to help me out here guys?
Thanks
Terry

You don't want a fake made by Fender?

That's funny!

Twang Tone · June 13th, 2008, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryOz

...Fender claim to have found a sheet of the original "Wallpaper" that they used back in '67 on James Burtons Telecaster

Sounds like marketing BS to me! But I wouldn't mind checking one out. I'm no 'paisley' expert, but I'm sure someone who's spent a lot of time with the originals would be able to tell in a heartbeat.

Thanks,

Grin'n'pick · June 13th, 2008, 04:23 AM

If this comes off it is going to be so cool. I just hope even with the correct wallpaper they get it right, there is a lot to go wrong with replicating that look. Is it going to be a relic or will be NOS do you know?

riolux · June 13th, 2008, 04:26 AM

If fender claims that it's the original wallpaper, when it really isn't, I'm pretty sure they got the pattern exactly right.

TerryOz · June 13th, 2008, 07:50 AM

Here are some pics of a lightly reliced one...They look pretty good to me, I just need to know that it is in fact the exact same pattern as indicated
Thanks
Terry

e-merlin · June 13th, 2008, 08:00 AM

If you can't trust Fender, who can you trust?

To paraphrase an old commercial, that is. I can't say that I've ever seen the real deal, but that one looks pretty good to me.

The Bestron · June 13th, 2008, 08:01 AM

Fender is doing some "period incorrect" CS's models so I'd double check on the specs and pattern... (there are a few thinline CS that are a bit of old and new, but definitely not a period correct reissues).

The one on the pic looks good to me but I am by no means an expert so...

Excellent choice, by the way

jwells393 · June 13th, 2008, 08:24 AM

TerryOz .............. where did you hear of this guitar and obtain those pictures?

TerryOz · June 13th, 2008, 08:59 AM

I was offered the one in the pic from a USA Custom Shop dealer and saved the pics...He sold this one and has the ability to order one for me, just waiting to get an answer to the post before placing my deposit...They are a Masterbuilt model, built by Dennis Galuszka (?) I believe it was a limited run of around 100 that they were offering, like I said, the big sell is the claim of it being made with the exact same Paisley sheet as used on the originals...I have an original and have the ability to make the comparison, but I have to buy it first! So I figured someone here would have got one and was able to let me know...
Terry

jwells393 · June 13th, 2008, 09:47 AM

I'd say the chances of someone here having one are slim.

gitarjoe · June 13th, 2008, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryOz

I was offered the one in the pic from a USA Custom Shop dealer and saved the pics...He sold this one and has the ability to order one for me, just waiting to get an answer to the post before placing my deposit...They are a Masterbuilt model, built by Dennis Galuszka (?) I believe it was a limited run of around 100 that they were offering, like I said, the big sell is the claim of it being made with the exact same Paisley sheet as used on the originals...I have an original and have the ability to make the comparison, but I have to buy it first! So I figured someone here would have got one and was able to let me know...
Terry

Dumb question but, if you have an original, why spend all that money for a copy?

TerryOz · June 13th, 2008, 10:21 PM

I reckon that this has gone a little off topic, I was just looking for an answer to a question..I wonder whether they asked the same of Keith Richards when he approached Fender and the Custom Shop to recreate some of his old Fenders, so he didn't have to take them on the road? I think there are plenty of people here who have guitars that might be considered a bit of a "luxury", but it's up to their wives to hassle them about that...I thought that this is where we come not to be hassled about our reason for buying guitars...
Just my Two Cents Worth!

Thanks
Terry

Buckocaster51 · June 13th, 2008, 10:46 PM

In 25 words or less, can you tell me what the difference is between the old stuff and the stuff that Fender Japan uses?

Is it the frequency/density of the little green leaves and such?

One of my life goals is to clone that paper, and when I do it, I want to do it pretty much close to right.

TerryOz · June 13th, 2008, 11:31 PM

Hmmm! First of all the texture of the original appears more of a piece of woven material as opposed to a piece of thin alfoil...The background area is a warmer light golden colour as opposed to shiny bright silver...There is more pattern than background area on the real deal...There is no bright Green or in fact any real contrasty bright colours, they kind of blend and all the colours are pale...When you put them alongside each other they are very different...I have taken some pictures and will try and post them...Sorry more than my alotted 25 words!

Thanks
Terry

TerryOz · June 14th, 2008, 04:56 AM

Japanese Paisley Natural Light Outdoors

Japanese Paisley Flash Used Indoors

'68 USA Paisley Flash Used Indoors

'68 USA Paisley Natural Light Outdoors

I think you'll get the idea, despite the picture quality...Terry

Buckocaster51 · June 14th, 2008, 09:15 AM

Thank you.

Those are the best comparison shots I have seen.

I would love to see some comparable Kodachromes of the originals from '68. It would be nice to know how much the dyes have shifted in 40 years.

Someplace I have seen a photo of James Burton with his when it was new. The colors were not at all subdued and the edges were even pretty much Barbie Pink. But that was a stage shot and didn't feature the guitar at all.

Thanks again.

TerryOz · June 14th, 2008, 09:34 AM

Thanks Buckocaster...I have seen them clean, where the pink is strong all over and you are right, Barbie Pink is a good way to describe it, although nicely graded from he edge like a burst outer edge...But the colouration in the dyes, although faded some, not as much as one might think...If I can bring myself to do it, I'll lift the bridge and take a shot, should be an interesting comparison...In my opinion, they were never remotely as bright and contrasting as the colours of the Japanese Paisleys....You can see why the Custom Shop would want to reissue them if they have in fact found a roll of the real stuff...
Thanks
Terry

e-merlin · June 14th, 2008, 09:55 AM

I see what you mean about the texture. Nice shots TerryOz.

jwells393 · June 14th, 2008, 12:08 PM

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It would be nice to know how much the dyes have shifted in 40 years.

I heard that ! I would expect there has been some fading after 40 years. I wonder if the pink sprayed area around the neck pickup has not faded or at least faded less.

I don't think the flash pictures are worth comparing. One difference I see is that the two are printed on different textured paper.

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You can see why the Custom Shop would want to reissue them if they have in fact found a roll of the real stuff...

Perhaps a roll of 40 year old paisley paper has also faded some.

braderrick · June 15th, 2008, 01:03 AM

I also would like to have seen the real deal back in the day before any fading took place. Like bucko I have an '85 MIJ paisley and when I played one of the new CIJ reissues recently I realized mine has already changed somewhat, mostly the neck getting darker but the body looks different too.

gtech · June 15th, 2008, 08:27 AM

I never liked the pink ones, but I like the original unfaded ones that they originally called red paisleys.

I always wondered what a new one would like, not a relic one.

jwells393 · June 15th, 2008, 08:39 AM

I've only see pictures of the originals, but in some of the pictues the paint around the edges has faded to the point where it almost looks gold.

June 12th, 2008, 10:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
TerryOz Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Australia Age: 54 Posts: 112	Paisley USA Custom Shop Masterbuilt Telecaster! I am real close to ordering a Masterbuilt Custom Shop Paisley Telecaster Reissue...Fender claim to have found a sheet of the original "Wallpaper" that they used back in '67 on James Burtons Telecaster and the ensuing run of guitars we have become so fond of...I need to be sure that their claim is true and that the Paisley pattern is exactly the same as they claim it is...Has anyone here had a chance to put a real one alongside one of the Custom shop versions yet? If it is just another "Alfoil" type knock off as per the Japanese guitars I'll pass...Anything to help me out here guys? Thanks Terry __________________ *Tele-Contented*

June 13th, 2008, 07:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
TerryOz Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Australia Age: 54 Posts: 112	Masterbuilt Paisley Telecaster Here are some pics of a lightly reliced one...They look pretty good to me, I just need to know that it is in fact the exact same pattern as indicated Thanks Terry __________________ *Tele-Contented*

June 13th, 2008, 08:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
The Bestron TDPRI Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 40	Fender is doing some "period incorrect" CS's models so I'd double check on the specs and pattern... (there are a few thinline CS that are a bit of old and new, but definitely not a period correct reissues). The one on the pic looks good to me but I am by no means an expert so... Excellent choice, by the way __________________ When I think of all the good times that I've wasted, having good times

June 13th, 2008, 08:24 AM	#9 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 11,693 101 Photos	TerryOz .............. where did you hear of this guitar and obtain those pictures? __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.

June 13th, 2008, 08:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
TerryOz Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Australia Age: 54 Posts: 112	I was offered the one in the pic from a USA Custom Shop dealer and saved the pics...He sold this one and has the ability to order one for me, just waiting to get an answer to the post before placing my deposit...They are a Masterbuilt model, built by Dennis Galuszka (?) I believe it was a limited run of around 100 that they were offering, like I said, the big sell is the claim of it being made with the exact same Paisley sheet as used on the originals...I have an original and have the ability to make the comparison, but I have to buy it first! So I figured someone here would have got one and was able to let me know... Terry __________________ *Tele-Contented*

June 13th, 2008, 04:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
Grin'n'pick Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sarf Eas' Laandon Posts: 1,923 38 Photos	If this comes off it is going to be so cool. I just hope even with the correct wallpaper they get it right, there is a lot to go wrong with replicating that look. Is it going to be a relic or will be NOS do you know?

June 13th, 2008, 04:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
riolux Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 29 Posts: 174 6 Photos	If fender claims that it's the original wallpaper, when it really isn't, I'm pretty sure they got the pattern exactly right.

June 13th, 2008, 09:47 AM	#11 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 11,693 101 Photos	I'd say the chances of someone here having one are slim. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.

June 13th, 2008, 10:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
TerryOz Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Australia Age: 54 Posts: 112	How did my wife get here? I reckon that this has gone a little off topic, I was just looking for an answer to a question..I wonder whether they asked the same of Keith Richards when he approached Fender and the Custom Shop to recreate some of his old Fenders, so he didn't have to take them on the road? I think there are plenty of people here who have guitars that might be considered a bit of a "luxury", but it's up to their wives to hassle them about that...I thought that this is where we come not to be hassled about our reason for buying guitars... Just my Two Cents Worth! Thanks Terry __________________ *Tele-Contented*

June 13th, 2008, 10:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
Buckocaster51 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Iowa USA Age: 56 Posts: 4,960 1 Photos	In 25 words or less, can you tell me what the difference is between the old stuff and the stuff that Fender Japan uses? Is it the frequency/density of the little green leaves and such? One of my life goals is to clone that paper, and when I do it, I want to do it pretty much close to right. __________________ "If you can't say something nice... don't say nothing at all." - Thumper the Rabbit "An awfully lot of time can be wasted waiting for the right time." - Gunsmoke's Doc Adams

June 13th, 2008, 11:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
TerryOz Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Australia Age: 54 Posts: 112	I'll try and take some pics! Hmmm! First of all the texture of the original appears more of a piece of woven material as opposed to a piece of thin alfoil...The background area is a warmer light golden colour as opposed to shiny bright silver...There is more pattern than background area on the real deal...There is no bright Green or in fact any real contrasty bright colours, they kind of blend and all the colours are pale...When you put them alongside each other they are very different...I have taken some pictures and will try and post them...Sorry more than my alotted 25 words! Thanks Terry __________________ *Tele-Contented*

June 14th, 2008, 04:56 AM	#16 (permalink)
TerryOz Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Australia Age: 54 Posts: 112	Japanese Paisley Natural Light Outdoors Japanese Paisley Flash Used Indoors '68 USA Paisley Flash Used Indoors '68 USA Paisley Natural Light Outdoors I think you'll get the idea, despite the picture quality...Terry __________________ *Tele-Contented*

June 14th, 2008, 09:15 AM	#17 (permalink)
Buckocaster51 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Iowa USA Age: 56 Posts: 4,960 1 Photos	Thank you. Those are the best comparison shots I have seen. I would love to see some comparable Kodachromes of the originals from '68. It would be nice to know how much the dyes have shifted in 40 years. Someplace I have seen a photo of James Burton with his when it was new. The colors were not at all subdued and the edges were even pretty much Barbie Pink. But that was a stage shot and didn't feature the guitar at all. Thanks again. __________________ "If you can't say something nice... don't say nothing at all." - Thumper the Rabbit "An awfully lot of time can be wasted waiting for the right time." - Gunsmoke's Doc Adams

June 14th, 2008, 09:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
TerryOz Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Australia Age: 54 Posts: 112	Barbie Pink?? Thanks Buckocaster...I have seen them clean, where the pink is strong all over and you are right, Barbie Pink is a good way to describe it, although nicely graded from he edge like a burst outer edge...But the colouration in the dyes, although faded some, not as much as one might think...If I can bring myself to do it, I'll lift the bridge and take a shot, should be an interesting comparison...In my opinion, they were never remotely as bright and contrasting as the colours of the Japanese Paisleys....You can see why the Custom Shop would want to reissue them if they have in fact found a roll of the real stuff... Thanks Terry __________________ *Tele-Contented*

June 15th, 2008, 01:03 AM	#21 (permalink)
braderrick Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kentucky Age: 25 Posts: 425	I also would like to have seen the real deal back in the day before any fading took place. Like bucko I have an '85 MIJ paisley and when I played one of the new CIJ reissues recently I realized mine has already changed somewhat, mostly the neck getting darker but the body looks different too.

June 15th, 2008, 08:27 AM	#22 (permalink)
gtech Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Quebec, Canada Age: 59 Posts: 1,952 171 Photos	I never liked the pink ones, but I like the original unfaded ones that they originally called red paisleys. I always wondered what a new one would like, not a relic one. __________________ Back to practice now...to make my Teles sound good.

June 15th, 2008, 08:39 AM	#23 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 11,693 101 Photos	I've only see pictures of the originals, but in some of the pictues the paint around the edges has faded to the point where it almost looks gold. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.